My anger at the conduct of the Jean Charles De Menezes inquest has already been strongly expressed.
I only wish now to add that it is essential that the perjured police be jailed. The jury unequivocally and explicitly found that the police witnesses had lied and that the unanimous evidence of seventeen non-police witnesses had told the truth. There is no possible conclusion other than that the police perjured themselves, and conspired together to concoct a joint lie.
It is now therefore essential to restore some faith in the legal system that the liars are jailed, and jailed for a long time, not just for perjury, but also for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
We now have information as to the reason why the police lied in court during the inquest.
Brian Paddick has revealed one of the operation Kratos guidelines: that if armed officers are unsure of the identity of a suicide bomber, they must challenge them first with the words 'armed police' and are then only allowed to fire if threatened.
this explains why the two officers who shot JCM claimed in court that they said these words, and also claimed that JCM then walked towards them, though all of the 17 civilian witnesses said that this was not the case. This means that the Kratos rules were broken.
from this perspective this looks like a clear failure of the Police to follow their own operational procedures, resulting in them commiting manslaughter, which they have then tried to cover up afterwards by commiting perjury.
sadly it seems that the tears shed in the witness box by the men responsible, were more likely to be for themselves than for the man they killed.,
um, Craig: you and whose army?
We now have information as to the reason why the police lied in court during the inquest.
Brian Paddick has revealed one of the operation Kratos guidelines: that if armed officers are unsure of the identity of a suicide bomber, they must challenge them first with the words 'armed police' and are then only allowed to fire if threatened.
this explains why the two officers who shot JCM claimed in court that they said these words, and also claimed that JCM then walked towards them, though none of the 17 civilian witnesses or the jury agreed that this was the case. This suggests that the Kratos rules were broken.
from this perspective this looks like a clear failure of the Police to follow their own operational procedures, resulting in them commiting manslaughter, which they have then tried to cover up afterwards by commiting perjury.
sadly it seems that the tears shed in the witness box by the men responsible, were more likely to be for themselves than for the man they killed.,
Is it possible to mount a private prosecution for perjury?
I believe that the police have steadfastly refused to call this a Kratos operation – for obvious reasons. Conspiracy may be difficult to prove, as the police are apparently permitted to compare notes. Other witnesses are not, of course.
As I understand it the case is up for judicial review, anyway. The Crown Protection Service will now have its work cut out to keep things under wraps – so no change there, then.
Ken Livingstone, who was mayor of London at the time of the de Menezes shooting in July 2005, praised the senior officer in charge of the police surveillance operation that led to de Menezes being shot dead on a train after being mistaken for a fugitive suicide bomber. Livingstone said Cressida Dick was one of the "most talented" officers he had worked with. "She has an incredible record and I hope that her career continues to progress in the police because I have always considered she has commissioner potential," he said. Livingstone cast doubt on the testimony of witnesses to the shooting who contradicted evidence given by police marksmen that they had shouted "armed police" to de Menezes before shooting him dead with seven bullets. Livingstone said he was "tempted to trust" the marksmen's testimony even though the jurors had dismissed their claims that a warning had been shouted and that de Menezes had walked towards them in a threatening manner before he was killed. – David Leppard, Times
My guess is that it was Tony Blair himself who gave the order to shoot to kill following the second attempt at suicide bombings on public transport, which is why the establishment is so determined that any blame for JCM's death does not make its way back up the chain as it will go all the way to the very top.
I am tempted to have sympathy for the policemen who killed Jean Charles de Menezes while having no inclination to accept the flawed legal process.
It seems quite likely that the policemen most probably colluded in a lie after the event, possibly to give the false impression that they had adhered to the operation Kratos guidelines – but if these policemen really believed at the time that de Menezes was a suicide-bomber intent on destroying both himself and everybody present, rational decision-making must have been virtually impossible.
It seems to me that the fundamental incompetence was in allowing a suspected fully-armed suicide bomber to enter the Underground in the first place. The generals should be held responsible, not the privates.
Was in Crown court with my wife yesterday as we were both witnesses to a policeman planting evidence on someone…case did not go ahead as the Crown prosecution offered no eveidence and the defendent was found NOT guilty…court was denied seeing George Dutton in action taken the policeman apart…only temporily I will have my day in court with him I am NOT going to allow him to get off scot free…NO WAY.
at a guess, I'd say the decision to impliment Kratos was taken at downing street not scotland yard, which is why the trail has gone cold due to intense political pressure- because it leads all the way to Tony Blair – the man ultimately responsible for the death of Jean Charles.
"Sir John was also involved in an exchange of letters when John de Menezes was murdered with Sir Ian Blair. Full details Monday, November 19, 2007 Blair / Blair how the IPCC were illegally kept out of investigation of the murder of De Menezes and also Thursday, August 02, 2007 22/7 Sir Ian Blair told lies from the start to the IPCC"…
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