Brown is appeasing domestic horror at the Israeli massacre in Gaza by calling for a ceasefire. Meanwhile British diplomats on the United Nations Security Council are under direct instructions to offer “tacit support” to United States’ efforts to block a ceasefire.
I have been told this directly by a former colleague in the UK Mission to the United Nations.
A footnote on the uses of obscenity – 7,200 people read this entry between 15.30 on a Sunday afternoon and 08.30 on a Monday morning. That’s normally the slowest time of the entire week.
Amazing what a catchy heading will do. Besides, if you think the title is obscene, how do you describe what is happening in Gaza?
Actually Hamas had been breaking the ceasefire for months before the Israelis bombed a tunnel in November. The number of rockets reduced but they were still being fired at regular intervals. So don't try to claim that the Israelis broke the ceasefire. What should the Israelis have done? Imagine that Plaid Cymru had taken control of Wales and they were bombing Hereford. Do the English sit back and do nothing? And why is the border with Egypt closed? Arab brotherhood in action?
Actually Hamas had been breaking the ceasefire for months before the Israelis bombed a tunnel in November. The number of rockets reduced but they were still being fired at regular intervals. So don't try to claim that the Israelis broke the ceasefire. What should the Israelis have done? Imagine that Plaid Cymru had taken control of Wales and they were bombing Hereford. Do the English sit back and do nothing? And why is the border with Egypt closed? Arab brotherhood in action? And don't you idiots realise that words like "genocide" and "Holocaust" in the context of Gaza simply discredits your argument? To compare the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews with what is happening in Gaza is feeble minded.
Yes Brown is an evil two-faced cunt and worse. What is happening in Gaza is the end 'logic' of Zionism – massacre and transfer.
But there's no need for the conspiracy nuts to explain it away as a Jewish plot. The real backers of this are the decidedly non-Jewish Christian Zionists, Bush, Blair, Brown and of course now Obama.
The reason doesn't lie in genetics or skin pigmentation, leave racism to the Zionists. It is in the nature of capitalism and imperialism and the oil interests they pursue. Israel has ensured that the Arab regimes are dependent on the USA for 'protection' – against their own peoples and if necessary Israel (if they step out of line).
Try looking for logical explanations for what is happening, not retreating to Nazi conspiracy theories. Unfortunately settler colonial states have a habit of behaving like this – be it South Africa, the US or Australia in their time.
For more info:
http://www.azvsas.blogspot.com
BXBrian
Hamas does not control all the rockets landing in Israel, but made the best effort it could to stop them. Furthermore, the rockets have killed about 20 Israelis since about the year 2000 compared to about 5000 Palestinians being killed in the same period by Israelis, so this is hardly a credible threat and is being vastly exaggerated. (I don't know the figures of Israeli dead by other 'methods' but I know the ratio is at least 5 Palestinians to every Israeli). By the way, it is known that the Israelis have sometimes launched rockets themselves and blamed the Palestinians in order to justify a 'response'.
I think the credibility of Richard Falk far exceeds your ill informed opinion.
I'm sick of hearing this 'Israel has a right to defend itself' argument, when it is in violation of multiple United Nations resolutions, is Illegally occupying large areas of the West Bank, and refuses to return to the 1967 borders as per these resolutions in defiance of International Law.
Contrary to your selective views, this is genocide – not the industrialised version of Nazi Germany, no, but rather a systematic long term plan of forcing the Palestinian people to scatter into oblivion, with daily abuse and oppression: Air Strikes, Assassinations, Arrests, Torture, Sniper fire on children, bulldozing of houses, Military raids, Annexation of land and water resources, Siege and Wallbuilding, Apartheid policy, Blockades, Economic Sanctions – the list goes on and on, all well documented if you can be bothered to check. Your own pathetic analogy of Plaid Cymru discredits your argument
Israel is a Terrorist State BXBrian and you need to read some Noam Chomsky to get your head straight. The Palestinians also have the right to defend themselves against Illegal Occupation and oppression. However unlike Israel they do not have access to $6 Billion annual dollars of US Military Aid in the form of F16's, Abhrams Tanks and Apache Helicoptors (plus a 150+ nuclear arsenal). Instead they have to resort to improvised Rockets and mortars.
Since you're wondering why the border with Egypt is closed I will explain it to you: Like many states in the Middle East, Egypt has a US sponsored and funded puppet regime with a CIA trained secret police which is more than enough to suppress the population's dissent. Egypt is bankrupt and its government corrupt, and that is why it will not disobey the US by opening its borders.
I totally agree that there has been extreme violence from both sides, but the simple fact is that the David & Goliath story has been turned on it's head, with Israel by far the more aggressive and brutal. Most of this however, we don't get to see in our sanitized media, in much the same way that Israel is cutting off reporting in the Gaza Strip
"Gordon Brown Is a Murderous Two Faced Cunt"
Murderous, yes.
Two faced, absolutely.
But Craig you don't advance your argument by then resorting to such sexist language.
Michael,
Don't condemn an entire ethnic group (the Khazar) as that is racist in itself. This is the policy of an Elite group of politicians and corporate heads whose ideology – Zionism – is equivalent to Nazism in its voracious appetite for power.
A huge number of Israeli Jews are opposed to this conflict.
BXBrian
Hamas does not control all the rockets landing in Israel, but made the best effort it could to stop them. Furthermore, the rockets have killed about 20 Israelis since about the year 2000 compared to about 5000 Palestinians being killed in the same period by Israelis, so this is hardly a credible threat and is being vastly exaggerated. (I don't know the figures of Israeli dead by other 'methods' but I know the ratio is at least 5 Palestinians to every Israeli). By the way, it is known that the Israelis have sometimes launched rockets themselves and blamed the Palestinians in order to justify a 'response'.
I think the credibility of Richard Falk far exceeds your ill informed opinion.
I'm sick of hearing this 'Israel has a right to defend itself' argument, when it is in violation of multiple United Nations resolutions, is Illegally occupying large areas of the West Bank, and refuses to return to the 1967 borders as per these resolutions in defiance of International Law.
Contrary to your selective views, this is genocide – not the industrialised version of Nazi Germany, no, but rather a systematic long term plan of forcing the Palestinian people to scatter into oblivion, with daily abuse and oppression: Air Strikes, Assassinations, Arrests, Torture, Sniper fire on children, bulldozing of houses, Military raids, Annexation of land and water resources, Siege and Wallbuilding, Apartheid policy, Blockades, Economic Sanctions – the list goes on and on, all well documented if you can be bothered to check. Your own pathetic analogy of Plaid Cymru discredits your argument
Israel is a Terrorist State BXBrian and you need to read some Noam Chomsky to get your head straight. The Palestinians also have the right to defend themselves against Illegal Occupation and oppression. However unlike Israel they do not have access to $6 Billion annual dollars of US Military Aid in the form of F16's, Abhrams Tanks and Apache Helicoptors (plus a 150+ nuclear arsenal). Instead they have to resort to improvised Rockets and mortars.
Since you're wondering why the border with Egypt is closed I will explain it to you: Like many states in the Middle East, Egypt has a US sponsored and funded puppet regime with a CIA trained secret police which is more than enough to suppress the population's dissent. Egypt is bankrupt and its government corrupt, and that is why it will not disobey the US by opening its borders.
I totally agree that there has been extreme violence from both sides, but the simple fact is that the David & Goliath story has been turned on it's head, with Israel by far the more aggressive and brutal. Most of this however, we don't get to see in our sanitized media, in much the same way that Israel is cutting off reporting in the Gaza Strip
I wouldn't call anyone by any part of the female genitalia, even if it's in Anglo-Saxon. I guess it's partly because I'm very much into actual female genitalia.
One thing Gordon Brown is though, he's an unelected occupant of No. 10.
Michael, you say 'the Jews'. Noam Chomsky is a Jew, and UN Rapporteur Richard Falk is a Jew. Both are opposed to Israeli policy as are thousands of others.
I'm well aware this is a program of Genocide – see my other post – however this is a policy of Zionists (a political ideology) not Jews, who are a religious group.
I will not condemn all Jews for the actions of a few power meglomaniacs hiding behind Judaism, any more than I could condemn all Palestinians because a few might wish to destroy all Jews. This would be like condemning all Germans because of the ideology of the Nazis.
You need to see the Doublethink in your own statements.
Hilarious. Look at the Google results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Gordon+Brown…
This may work better
http://tinyurl.com/73gctd
Calling Gordon Brown "a Murderous Two Faced Cunt" is perfectly appropriate.
Those who think this is a gratuitous use of swearing clearly have no conception of what is going on, nor do they understand that Brown and Blair are psychopaths, completely devoid of a conscience, just as Thatcher was, exemplified when she sat down to have tea with Augusto Pinochet, a brutal dictator.
A little publicised document is "The UN Report Prepared for Ralphe Bunche", listing all the atrocities committed by Jewish terrorist groups when Palestine was in British hands. Jewish terrorists even threatened to take their campaign to Britain and kill British civilians:
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/bunche-report.htm
http://www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html
One pertinent entry:
On December 30, 1947, after the kidnapping and flogging of a British Major and three sergeants by Jewish terrorists, "the Dollis Hill Synagogue in London was set on fire and 12 sacred scrolls were destroyed by angry British citizens who scrawled on the burned edifice, 'You whip – we burn'"
Other Jewish terrorist acts included: plots to blow up British military headquarters, the kidnapping and hanging of British military officials, killing British policemen, letter bombs to numerous British government officials, machine gun attacks on Palestinian cities, bombing hotels, blowing up trains, blowing up oil pipelines, detonating bombs at British embassies, detonating trucks laden with explosives, and bank robbery.
In 1980, the Stern Gang (also known as Lehi) was officially honoured by the Israeli government as "freedom fighters". The Stern Gang was one of the most active terrorist Jewish groups during the 1940s, whose stated goal was to "forcibly evict the British authorities from Palestine, allowing unrestricted immigration of Jews and the formation of a Jewish state". A special Lehi ribbon – a military decoration – was designed for the former members.
The U.N. report writes: "There appears to be no way to control the Jews or their determinations to drive all of the Arabs out of Jerusalem by force if necessary.
"The initial Arab response to Jewish harassment over the past year has been very slow in coming, but it seems to be quite inevitable, and a terrible civil war is foreseen.
"The Arabs, initially living in peace with the Jewish minority, have been increasingly victimized by the Jews who, now that the British are leaving, are turning their savage behavior against them."
Agreed John. It's precisely for situations such as these that swear words were invented.
Michael,
How do you know it is a 'small minority of jews'?
Have you counted them at all? Don't forget that they are being conned by propaganda.
I am merely pointing out the flaw in your logic of condeming racism, then displaying that same emotion in your comment.
This is not about race, Michael it is about power. A small group of facists has hijacked the Jewish identity in the same way that Hitler hijacked the German people having realised how to control peoples minds.
If all the Jews as well as the rest of us in the West knew the real truth about Palestine, I'm sure the majority would be persuaded of the injustice, but they do not get access to this truth.
For years I shared the 'mainstream' view of the conflict until I studied propaganda and Western foreign policy, because I am naturally a questioning person.
By the way Michael:
see the following:
http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
There have been demonstrations in Tel Aviv against the invasion. Young Israelis have been imprisoned for refusing to take part in the oppression of Palestine.
p.s. I am neither jewish or muslim – I am a pacifist atheist!
Hi Michael, Please start your own blog, and let us know. You'll have me save it to My Favourites. Overall, a terrific discussion. Let's make a noise that'll pop the Zionists' eardrums and be heard round the world!! – London Demo Jan 10.
http://www.redress.cc/global/redress20070728
Brown become patron of Jewish National Fund UK
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=120962…
Brown wears a kippah and congratulates Israel on the anniversary on the founding of its state in 1948, ie the Occupation, the Al Nakba when the Palestinians lost their land and their homes.
I am trying to reach Craig to invite him to speak at a The Alternative View event in London over the weekend of 29/30/31 May 2009. Unfortunately the contact Email address of craigmurray(AT)mail(DOT)ru is bouncing my emails back.
Please respond to ianrcrane(AT)hotmail(DOT)com
Thanks & regards,
Ian R Crane
I would like to extend an invitation to Craig to speak at The Alternative View event to be held at the Thistle Hotel, Heathrow over the weekend of 29/30/31st May.
Please contact Ian R Crane at ianrcrane(at)hotmail(dot)com
Thanks & regards,
Ian
As the humanitarian crisis deepens, and people around the world call for an end to this butchery, Tzipi Livni, the state's foreign minister, said: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the [Gaza] Strip, and therefore there is no need for a humanitarian truce."
And so is Kevin Rudd!!!
eddie:
“do you support suicide bombing”
The current Israeli policy will inevitably result in more suicide bombings.
“misogyny, polygamy and homophobia”
Sadly common attitudes in that part of the world, but bombing will not change them.
“if you support Hamas”
Opposing Israeli policies does not imply supporting Hamas. There is no reason to assume Michael supports Hamas.
“As for Chomsky, as well as being Jewish, this is a man who supported the Holocaust denier Faurisson”
Chomsky supports the right of free speech, and quite right too. If you do not support the right to utter speech you find objectionable, you have a similar free speech policy to Stalin.
“and denied the genocide in Cambodia. I don’t believe a single word he says.”
Lie. Smear.
Michael: You are racist arsehole. As not all ideas are equal, you do not get to avoid criticism by whining “I have a right to my opinion”.
Here's a phrase you see often – this example is from today's BBC website, reporting on the invasion of Gaza:
"Information about what is happening inside Gaza is limited as Israel has barred foreign reporters from entering."
Firstly, information is not "limited". There is top-quality reporting from the Arab journalists who are still managing to get reports and pictures out.
Secondly, even if the BBC were there, we would NOT receive true and accurate reports. The BBC would NOT show us the horror of what the people of Gaza are enduring in the same hard-hitting way that Al-Jazeera, for example, does. We would instead get a fictitious "balanced" report, with coverage from the Israeli troops' point of view, and with a face-to-camera analysis of the political situation etc etc, but with a sanitised view (albeit, interspersed with the usual warning about 'disturbing' images) of the effect the invasion has on Palestinian life and limb.
The Arab channels are showing burned children's bodies, old people, ordinary women and men, covered in blood or weeping for their dead relatives. These images would not sit too easily with the sort of analysis the BBC wants to push.
Michael
That rant against the Jews would not be out of place on a BNP message board. It is contemptible racism and illustrates the depths to which some so-called "leftists" have sunk in their hatred of the USA and Israel and their support of fascist Islamists. So tell me straight, do you support suicide bombing, misogyny, polygamy and homophobia? Because if you support Hamas you are implicitly supporting views that should be anathema to any self respecting person on the left. As for Chomsky, as well as being Jewish, this is a man who supported the Holocaust denier Faurisson and denied the genocide in Cambodia. I don't believe a single word he says.
eddie:
"do you support suicide bombing"
The current Israeli policy will inevitably result in more suicide bombings.
"misogyny, polygamy and homophobia"
Sadly common attitudes in that part of the world, but bombing will not change them.
"if you support Hamas"
Opposing Israeli policies does not imply supporting Hamas. There is no reason to assume Michael supports Hamas.
"As for Chomsky, as well as being Jewish, this is a man who supported the Holocaust denier Faurisson"
Chomsky supports the right of free speech, and quite right too. If you do not support the right to utter speech you find objectionable, you have a similar free speech policy to Stalin.
"and denied the genocide in Cambodia. I don't believe a single word he says."
Lie. Smear.
Michael: You are racist arsehole. As not all ideas are equal, you do not get to avoid criticism by whining "I have a right to my opinion".
"Tzipi Livni, the state's foreign minister, said: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the [Gaza] Strip"
Presumably she means Palestinians aren't really human.
Eddie:
Chomsky was defending Faurisson's freedom of specch, not denying the Holocaust. Quote: "Faurisson's conclusions are diametrically opposed to views I hold".
OrwellianUK:
You make a good point about a small minority of Jews giving the majority a bad name. The same applies, of course, to those who have hijacked the religion of Islam in the pursuit of tribal or political objectives.
I don't like the terminology used to describe them, either: "Islamist" makes a religious connection which frankly isn't there; while "fundamentalist" implies that they represent the fundamentals of the religion, which they do not. "Heretics", "literalists" or "extremists" would be more accurate.
Tom: "Fundamentalist" was originally used to describe a small brand of American Protestants who returned to what they considered the five fundamentals of Christianity. Other Christian groups (i.e. most of them) would disagree on the selection of those fundamentals. The Muslim fundies are in a similar situation.
"Extemist" and "heretic" each requires an entirely arbitrarily set "moderate" position. They are useful only as name-calling propaganda to demonise dissidents. "Literalist" doesn't work because of the diverse set of ideas that could be taken literally.
Finally a catch-all term for "Islamists" is unhelpful anyway, as there are diverse groups with sometimes contradictory goals. Takfiris (including Al-Qaeda, and the media will often brand any takfiri as Al-Qaeda) see Shia as heretics deserving of death. Hamas never imposed Sharia law on Gaza.
Michael,
Having read through the thread, you make many good points but you repeatedly fail to differentiate between Jewish people and the supporters of an aggressive Zionist state. The two things are not equivalent and a hatred of Jews – or any other race – is completely unacceptable.
If you are going to continue to comment here, I first want an unequivocal assurance from you of your agreement on that point.
Chomsky went well beyond support for Faurisson's right to free speech as I am sure you know. This is well documented, as his is denial of genocide in Cambodia. You are right about Michael.