Happy Christmas Everybody!!
I just saw an eyewitness on BBC TV News recount that the Nigerian man who set fire to his leg on a Delta flight was shouting “about Afghanistan”. Which proves yet again that by occupying Afghanistan we are provoking, not preventing, attempted terrorism.
Regular readers know that I fly out of Schiphol some thirty times a year. Security there is ultra tight – in fact a real pain in the neck – with intensive searches and x rays actually at gate. The non-explosive and non-dangerous (as it proved) substance he had might very well prove to be duty free alcohol – it is being described by the US authorities as “incendiary” rather than “explosive”. But the BBC is still referring to an “Explosive mixture”, even though it plainly was not “explosive” as it did not explode.
It seems to me most improbable that if Abdul Faroukh really was working for Al-Qaida, he would have been quite so open about it, as it is claimed he is being. But we will doubtless see this incident ramped up more and more to justify the occupation of Afghanistan. A BBC “security correspondent” is waffling on even now about “sophisticated explosive devices”. In fact it sounds as about as effective as a christmas cracker.
Don’t let it spoil your turkey sandwiches. How long before Brown is on screen explaining this is why we have to be in Afghanistan?
So the suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, works for the US government?
Okay, when you asked “Why didn’t he go to the toilet?” and deduced from this that the US government was behind it was this your cynical way of saying that only the US government could be so incompetent that their guy trying to blow up a US airliner wouldn’t remember to go to the toilet to set off his bomb or was it your way of saying that obviously it was meant to be stopped?
Either way it sounds like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is one Hell of a US government loyalist despite what his father says.
“Why didn’t he got to the toilet?”
Apparently he did, in fact:
“Mr Abdulmutallab went to the bathroom for about 20 minutes before the incident, court documents say.
When he got back to his seat, he said he had an upset stomach and pulled a blanket over himself, the affidavit continues.
“Passengers then heard popping noises similar to firecrackers, smelled an odour, and some observed Abdulmutallab’s pants, leg and the wall of the airplane on fire,” the Department of Justice said in a statement.”
Jaded: ” it’s all linked with the U.K. and Israel.”
I can see the connection to the US but what makes you think that the UK and Israel must also be involved?
Jaded: “You think they pulled off 9/11 and 7/7 and then nothing happens after that?”
I don’t know who “they” are? Or, in fact what your question means.
“It’s bullshit!”
I can smell it from here.
Tony: “The principle of ‘Cui Bono’ (philosophical equivalent of Follow the Money) would point a finger at CIA, Mossad or MI6 – and I am sure they would have done a more professional job as well.”
Eh? Why CIA, MI6 or Mossad? Is there something contagious going around?
This is excellent news. A single Nigerian nutter with a death wish has managed to cut down more emissions than any of the politicians squabblin’ in Copenhagen.
Be prepared for the mother of all queues, all you frequent fliers, I expect many to be so turned off by the prospect, they’d rather take a six day trans atlantic journey on a boat, in style.
Going by the lkast few years of kiling and maiming in the middle eat, Afghanistan and Iraq, it is only logical that some serious hates have accumulated. No doubt our MI’brains will be a jugglin’various event possibilities at a time and listening sharp, still they will never be able to make everyhting safe, it is an unequivocal fact.
Now’s the time to get your own plane/Zeppellin, pedallo, you’ll always find someone to share it if they don’t have to queue,lol.
It is also good to see that the fear mongers have made sure that the media did bother to report it, I think all those returning from holiday will enjoy not being abloe to go to the toile for an hour before landing, that will cause a few bursting bladders, as there is another long queue you have to join for an hour or two after you stepped of the plane to have you face looked up and your passport perused.
Have to say, flying begins to sound real tedious and naff, you get loads of stress doses and you end up breathing recycled air with your fellow 260-320 odd passengers for the next??? hours, give me an airship anytime, you just don’t fly at great hights with them.
Happt turkey curries everyone.
Latest reports from the BBC and New York Times are that this man’s device contained the explosive PETN, used by the shoe bomber Richard Reid. Thankfully the operation appears to have been bungled. At any rate it appears that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab attempted mass murder, and if so, he deserves to go to jail for a very long time.
ICTS also provided security at all the airports from which the alleged 911 hijackers boarded the planes. Since none of them appeared on the passenger lists we must assume they managed to do this without tickets or boarding passes.
It seems then they weren’t on the planes.
Ruth: “It seems then they weren’t on the planes.”
Of course they were on the planes. If they weren’t, where were they? And where are they now? And who flew the planes into the buildings?
angrysoba:
The passenger lists were published by CNN but those links are now dead. The lists are however reproduced here:
http://tinyurl.com/ydyw76e
tinyurl.com/yeo39nw
tinyurl.com/y9wal3u
tinyurl.com/yctqnc3
Happy hunting. (You’ll need to insert the “http://” for the last three. Craig’s site doesn’t allow more than 2 full URLs in comments).
You are correct however that I might be wrong. Five years later in 2006 the FBI submitted passenger lists (for the Moussaoui trial) that did include the alleged hijackers names – even those who have subsequently turned up alive and well.
Hi MJ,
Thanks for looking up those links for me.
I had a suspicion you would tell me that it came from a CNN source as I am pretty sure I have heard this story before. It was one of the “odd facts” that David Ray Griffin believes points to a 9/11 inside job.
The problem with those CNN lists is that they weren’t passenger manifests. You are correct that manifests did appear at the Moussaoui trial but the CNN lists were lists of VICTIMS. The very URLs that you may have tried to access will contain the word “victim” in them. Please look them up and see (If you click the “CNN” link from the “What Really Happened” page you will notice that that URL appears.)
The reason why the hijackers names were left off that list is pretty obvious. The hijackers simply weren’t awarded “victim” status. Heartless MSM, I know but what can you do?
There were also other names left off that list. I didn’t know that until today when you provided me with that link to the “passenger manifests” (By the way, is that exactly what the CNN link really looked like a list of passengers with all that biographical detail on it? If that is what it looked like I think we can safely say right now that they weren’t passenger manifests). I have also heard that there were some families who requested that the names of their loved ones not be released to the public and so they also didn’t appear on the victims list. I just checked that against the manifests that were presented at the Moussaoui trial and scanned through the names of the first plane. I am not going to do that for all the planes as I feel it is a bit ghoulish, but you can see that Kelly Booms, Berinthia Perkins, Antonio Montoya Valdes and Pendayala Varasikrishna appear on the manifests but not the victims list while Jude Larson and Natalie Larson appear on the victims list but not the manifest.
Here are the manifests:
http://www.911myths.com/html/official_manifest_images.html
Also, if Mohammed Atta appears on the David Letterman show one day and quips, “Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated!” then I will be impressed. But in actual fact the hijackers are not alive.
“they’d rather take a six day trans atlantic journey on a boat”
Hold your horses ingo, have you seen this?
“Just 16 Ships Expel as Much Pollution as All the Cars in the World”
http://www.naturalnews.com/027803_pollution_ships.html
angrysoba: the problem is that those manifests didn’t surface until 2006. The lists published by CNN were not questioned for five years, even by the 911 Commission. It would appear then that there have been some post de facto ‘adjustments’ to tie up a few ‘loose ends’. Though not concerning the alleged hijackers still alive:
Abdulaziz Alomari;
Saeed Alghamdi;
Salem Al-Hamzi;
Ahmed Al-Nami;
Waleed Alshehri;
Abdulrahman al-Omari.
All alive and well (google their names for details) and indeed claiming “reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated”, though not on Letterman as far as I’m aware.
MJ: “The lists published by CNN were not questioned for five years, even by the 911 Commission”
What do you mean the lists weren’t questioned by the 9/11 Commission? The 9/11 Commission probably wasn’t using a CNN story as a basis of their investigation. I have pointed out that those lists were not “flight manifests”. They were lists of victims and the fact that they came with biographical details shows you they aren’t flight manifests.
There were no post-facto adjustments.
As for the stories of the hijackers still alive, there are a few different reasons why some of the hijackers had been misidentified which are covered here:
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_still_alive
Googling, for example:
Waleed al-Shehri,
“On September 23, 2001 BBC News reported that Waleed was “alive and well” in Casablanca, Morocco and was talking to multiple media organizations;[19][20] however, due to confusion over the man’s identity, and editorial concerns over conspiracy theories, BBC News later modified the September 23 report by inserting “A man called … “[19] BBC News considers the September 23 report superseded by an October 5, 2001 report that lists Waleed as one of the alleged hijackers believed by the FBI to be responsible for the September 11 attacks.[19][21]
Waleed and Wail were both reported to have been initially found, in error, by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India.[citation needed] On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida ?” but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.”
Thanks MJ, I knew about the pollution of ships, they were never part of any energy saving toches held up internationally, equally the development of motorbikes leaves a lot to be desired.
Still whats a little pollution when you can avoid queing eh?
After all we don’t really want to do anything to alleviate, after all , we have tried for twenty years sending our politicians on jollies, still somehow their vested interests always seems to get the better of them.
Andrew Landsley is already subjecting us to the next torturous election, he speaks of leaders being ‘measured’, by low voter participation, a measure of our interest in politics and trust in the electoral process and party politics, so he assumes.
Off course he’s right, britain will always vote for more of the same punishment, its tradition.
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angrysoba: the point I’m making is that until 2006 the only passenger lists available were those released by AA and UA and first published by CNN. CNN called them ‘victim lists’ and added biographical details for some of the names; others did not. During this time the 911 Commission sat and did not demand new manifests when taking evidence, though this would have been key, basic information. Then several years later the FBI slips out new manifests with hijacker names included and we’re all supposed to be fully convinced.
“there are a few different reasons why some of the hijackers had been misidentified”.
There are indeed, even for the five on my list whose cases you do not query. One has to wonder why the 911 Commission and FBI have not, out of simple courtesy, amended their lists of hijackers accordingly.
Posted by: angrysoba at December 27, 2009 11:18 AM Tony: “The principle of ‘Cui Bono’ (philosophical equivalent of Follow the Money) would point a finger at CIA, Mossad or MI6 – and I am sure they would have done a more professional job as well.” Eh? Why CIA, MI6 or Mossad? Is there something contagious going around?
Just trying to see who could benefit from a stunt like this apart from the silly person drawing attention to himself by setting fire to his leg. CIA, Mossad and MI6 have a transparent agenda as far as policy towards Muslims in their Realpolitik is concerned and they are the guys on the ground doing the hands-on dirty stuff. Anything which depicts Muslims as terrorists intent on hurting non-Muslims serves their general purpose. A bit of terrorism every once in a while also goes down well with the mass media. These effects make those of us in the West ever more amenable to the increasingly authoritarian regimes here and accepting of the illegal wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and of course the mother of all illegal wars – the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Facts:
1) There are Islamist extremists out there (and in here). They are real. They are not a figment of the media’s imagination. Superpower global policy has resulted in a self-fulfilling nightmare.
2) At times, historically, state agencies have utilised, or created, extremists and the organisations/ cellular structures to which they adhere, for various purposes, including as agents provocateurs. Northern Ireland is a case in point, the environmental movement, another.
These two facts are not mutually exclusive, not are they mutually singular.
I don’t know how these constructions may apply to the details of the present case.
In some ways, it doesn’t really matter. The results will be the same.
Stoopid Muzzi Nigga, What use is 72 virgins now, wi’ his balls blown off?
I am with Suhayl Saadi. And yes, just because he is a nutter does not mean he is a dagerous nutter they shoulldn’t lock up.
I reserve udgement on the PETN line as it’s anut the ninith version the media have carried. If it is indeed the same substance as the shoe bomber used, plainly it’s not that easy to detonate.
Angrysoba you are either a moron or a shill. Sorry, I don’t have the time. I’ll just say one thing. When I question why he – and Richard Reid – didn’t go to the toilet, which blatantly means to execute his plan, and you say ‘he went to the toilet 20 minutes earlier’ you have even made my little niece start laughing and ask me if you are a ‘crazy man’! That is the most moronic internet response I have ever read in my life. Well done. I don’t think you are capable of smelling bullshit or your job is actually to create it.
Suhayl Saadi:
‘Superpower global policy has resulted in a self-fulfilling nightmare.’
Undoubtedly, invading countries and causing mass carnage will piss some people off. However, it is a fact Al Qaeda, as a terrorist organosation, never did and doesn’t exist. Moreover, even if some muslims have been radicalised because of the disgusting actions of our government and its allies, then it seems that they haven’t yet graduated to terrorism. Where are these ‘terrorists’? Evil suiciders roaming the globe dedicated to destroying us and nothing ever happens? Think about our weak borders and all the illegal immigrants that get in the country. Think about all the wicked things one man, just one man, could do if in the country and he so desired. The list of scenarios that could cause mass casualties and ‘terror’ is endless… The proof is in the pudding!
Craig, he and Richard Reid were obviously patsies, quite possibly nutters too, picked up and used by security service operatives.
@Jaded
he and Reid are nutters and patsies, but were set up by jihadi scumbags in London not some fat spy in the CIA or MI6.
This ICTS outfit really needs to get its act together. The silly Nigerian bloke was allowed on the plane without a passport.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11873
ed hall:
‘he and Reid are nutters and patsies, but were set up by jihadi scumbags in London not some fat spy in the CIA or MI6.’
Funny how these deadly ‘jihadi scumbags’ never actually do any ‘jihadiing’ in this country then… ;-). Too busy setting up the patsies eh? Liar, liar, pants on fire! LMFAO.
Speaking as a Muslim, something sounds really fishy about the name Abdul Mutalib?
It sounds like a name made up by someone who doesn’t know Arabic or much about Islam to try and pass as a Muslim.
It sounds like a name made up by someone who doesn’t know Arabic or much about Islam to try and pass as a Muslim.
I didn’t do it.
Neither did I.
Nor me.
Or me.
It’s Mutallab. Don’t know if that makes any difference.