Happy Christmas Everybody!!
I just saw an eyewitness on BBC TV News recount that the Nigerian man who set fire to his leg on a Delta flight was shouting “about Afghanistan”. Which proves yet again that by occupying Afghanistan we are provoking, not preventing, attempted terrorism.
Regular readers know that I fly out of Schiphol some thirty times a year. Security there is ultra tight – in fact a real pain in the neck – with intensive searches and x rays actually at gate. The non-explosive and non-dangerous (as it proved) substance he had might very well prove to be duty free alcohol – it is being described by the US authorities as “incendiary” rather than “explosive”. But the BBC is still referring to an “Explosive mixture”, even though it plainly was not “explosive” as it did not explode.
It seems to me most improbable that if Abdul Faroukh really was working for Al-Qaida, he would have been quite so open about it, as it is claimed he is being. But we will doubtless see this incident ramped up more and more to justify the occupation of Afghanistan. A BBC “security correspondent” is waffling on even now about “sophisticated explosive devices”. In fact it sounds as about as effective as a christmas cracker.
Don’t let it spoil your turkey sandwiches. How long before Brown is on screen explaining this is why we have to be in Afghanistan?
“Speaking as a Muslim, something sounds really fishy about the name Abdul Mutalib?”
Tell that to his dad, chairman of the board of directors of the First Bank of Nigeria.
http://www.firstbanknigeria.com/BOD/tabid/389/Default.aspx
(First image)
It is possible that the media have run his name together. Or maybe Abdulmutallab is a portmanteau of his father’s making.
“Angrysoba you are either a moron or a shill.”
Well, I’m clearly a shill, then.
“you have even made my little niece start laughing and ask me if you are a ‘crazy man’!”
Are you quite sure she’s not laughing at your tinfoil hat? Did you put it on at a jaunty angle today?
“When I question why he – and Richard Reid – didn’t go to the toilet, which blatantly means to execute his plan, and you say ‘he went to the toilet 20 minutes earlier'”
Well, I don’t know why he didn’t go to the toilet to execute his plan. I’m asking around at NWO HQ and it seems they didn’t think of that one either. So, I’m just going to have to assume that he wanted to make the plane go down over an urban area, which would be as the plane is coming to land, and he wouldn’t be permitted to be in the toilet while that is happening.
You’ll have to flesh out the details of what you think happened as it doesn’t make much sense to me. Why was he yelling about Afghanistan if it was a government job? Even if it was a government job it wouldn’t explain why he didn’t go to the toilet.
LOL. You just keep asking at NWO HQ mate and keep us all updated.
“chairman of the board of directors of the First Bank of Nigeria”
I had an email from him yesterday, looking for somewhere safe to deposit $2,546,000. I sent him my bank details.
MJ, I don’t think you have even read the links I sent you. The reasons that each of those names you mentioned were queried is explained.
CNN explained why their victim lists didn’t include the hijackers:
“”The list includes those listed as “confirmed dead” and “reported dead” by the Associated Press… Includes those whose deaths have been reported by family, employers, mortuaries, places of worship or by the airlines that listed them as aboard one of the four flights… Those identified by federal authorities as the hijackers are not included”.”
Please re-read that last sentence, as it is quite explicit!
http://www.911myths.com/html/cnn_passenger_lists.html
It only took me about ten minutes of investigoogling to work out some of the problems here. How come you’re repeating these myths more than 8 years down the line?
[groan]
Don’t tell me the tinfoil hat catch-phrase has made it across the Atlantic.
Has the Kool Aid arrived with it?
“Don’t tell me the tinfoil hat catch-phrase has made it across the Atlantic.
Has the Kool Aid arrived with it?”
Jaded was the one who broke the Conspiracist’s version of Godwin’s Law by calling me a shill. It’s as predictable and groanworthy as the tinfoil hat jibe.
And I’m about as far from the Atlantic as it is possible to be on this planet.
Look – this is Total Fucking Bollocks To Try and Stop People From Trevelling in Aircaft. I Don’t Know Who is Behind It But Strongly Suspect It Is The Global Warming Cult….
If you want to set fire to your pants in an aircaft, then you can do so with Top Quality Extremely High Alcohol Content bought in Duty Free
If you want to let off a plastic penis – then you first practice it in the park…
You do it loads of times to perfect it…
And you practice buying the bits you need that will be detected – in the high tech duty free shop…
So what is next?
Complete Strip Searches and Anal, Oral and Vaginal Examination – just in case you have got some otherwise undetectable plastic explosives concealed in a condom?
What By The Way is So Special About Planes and Airports?
If You Really Wanted To Cause a Stink You Would Use an Enormous Fucking Great Container Ship…
These are The People in Control of Us Who are Doing This…
Over 99% of Bombs Trying To Destroy Stuff are Done By Intelligence Services Working For Governments – Or Their Armies, Air Force or Navy
Of the Remaining 1% – well most is done by Demolition companies or ordinary people who’s countries have been invaded by cunts..
What is not an issue is Nigerian’s farting…
Sure their farts might be explosive – but they will not blow a hole in an aircraft
Tony
angrysoba:
‘It only took me about ten minutes of investigoogling to work out some of the problems here. How come you’re repeating these myths more than 8 years down the line?’
You make such ‘allegations’, yet you can’t seem to read threads properly. All very shaky buddy. If you reread the thread carefully you will I said:
Jaded:
‘Angrysoba you are ***either*** a moron or a shill.’
You then said:
angrysoba:
‘Jaded was the one who broke the Conspiracist’s version of Godwin’s Law by calling me a shill.’
What nonsense you speak. And as for:
angrysoba:
‘So, I’m just going to have to assume that he wanted to make the plane go down over an urban area, which would be as the plane is coming to land, and he wouldn’t be permitted to be in the toilet while that is happening.’
Well, you have just made me guffaw so loud it hurts. My little niece was dead right. Take your tin foil hat and be off with you clown man.
“You make such ‘allegations’, yet you can’t seem to read threads properly. All very shaky buddy. If you reread the thread carefully you will [sic] I said:
Jaded:
‘Angrysoba you are ***either*** a moron or a shill.'”
And if you re-read the thread carefully you see I said:
“Well, I’m clearly a shill, then.”
A case of deduction so simple even you should be able to understnd reveals I must be a shill. Elementary my dear Jaded.
Where’s your evidence for this:
“he and Richard Reid were obviously patsies, quite possibly nutters too, picked up and used by security service operatives. “?
” understnd ” should be “understand”, of course.
No, you said I called you a shill. You are now trying to explain it away by saying that you admitting you were a shill amounted to the same thing. That is not elementary; it is absolute nonsense and not explanatory in the slightest. You are a berk and a nincompoop. Come back with something better than the following and I might, ‘might’, just dignify your little brain with an intelligent response:
angrysoba:
‘So, I’m just going to have to assume that he wanted to make the plane go down over an urban area, which would be as the plane is coming to land, and he wouldn’t be permitted to be in the toilet while that is happening.’
You think I have the time to talk to little kiddies that come up with stuff like that? Please!
“I might, ‘might’, just dignify your little brain with an intelligent response”
You wouldn’t know an intelligent response if it were dancing in front of you wearing your tinfoil hat.
My answer to your question of why he didn’t go to the toilet was speculation, clearly. I am not the guy who tried to ignite something on an aircraft – you do agree he was trying to ignite something as all witnesses so far have said there was smoke and fire – and yet you have offered no kind of explanation or evidence for saying it was a US government (with UK and Israeli government help) “patsy”.
You think I have the time to talk to little kiddies that come up with stuff like that?
It appears that you do as you’ve responded several times to me, quoting the same passage without pointing out what is wrong with it but telling your niece about it (who apparently laughs at your tinfoil drivel).
Yes, please learn to read properly, then reread ‘Comment 72’ you big, tinfoil hatted, wildly speculating, crazy wally.
You have made posts on 27th December at 2.03a.m. 8.28a.m. 9.03a.m. 11.18a.m. 11.37a.m. 12.43p.m. 2.10p.m. 3.09p.m. 11.26p.m. 11.35p.m. 11.56p.m. and on the 28th December 28th at 12.27a.m. 12.55a.m. 12.59a.m. and 5.17a.m.. The 5.17a.m. post would surely have been sooner if you had had anyhting to reply to before my post at 4.30a.m.. So, aside from a few hours sleep, you seem to live here on this thread. I find that bizarre and have seen that sort of behaviour before. You will telling us you just spend 5 minutes a day here next right? Well i’m off. Nighty night Mr. Shill… :-0
P.S. Watch him reply VERY SOON. Or is that reverse psychology? Ha ha, i’ll leave you to torment yourslef over it!
@jaded
well of course they stay in the background you fucking dickhead – the world is full of people manipulating half-wits into dying for their cause while they sit and lap it all up.
But by all means carry on with your infantile “theories”, you are in good company on this site. It reflects terribly badly on the self-styled human rights activist Craig Murray to have a bunch of fucking bawbags like you writing the sort of pish you might expect on a David Icke site.
Still I suppose you can choose your friends but not your acolytes.
Some people still believe people are allowed to question what the evil government tells us. We may disagree with each other, but unlike you we all agree with the right to disagree with the government.
angrysoba: I’m afraid it takes a bit more than ten minutes to get to the heart of the matter. Those passenger/victim lists were first made available to the press by the airline companies on 12th September, two days before the alleged hijackers names were announced. The official passenger manifests have never been made public and were not even requested by the 911 Commission. The FBI’s lists published in 2006 are not official manifests. They are unaccredited and comprise only those original lists with the alleged hijackers’ names added.
Do you see how much you can miss if you rely on ten minutes “research” at only one site with an axe to grind?
Allah states in the Qur’an that he is closer to us than our own jugular vein and He knows the inner whisperings of our hearts and minds. It doesn’t seem very relevant in this case whether this Nigerian man was set up or just mad. He is responsible for his own actions.
We have a choice when we are dealing with our own psychology whether to externalise our problems or face them and weed out the rubbish from our fears. Externalised solutions are popular amongst us Brits, stiff upper lip etc. examples of this way of dealing with life are : e.g. go to the xmas sales and buy something you don’t need, or wage beyond belief violent wars against innocent others, or try to set light to a passenger plane. The simple application of one’s conscience tells you that this will increase one’s debt problems , not relieve it; increase one’s insecurity in the world , not decrease it; and increase one’s frustration, not decrease it.
Muslims follow the much harder, but more productive Straight Path. We worship and thank our Creator and accept the conditions He has put us in. We understand that the externalisers are running away from their vast problems and we can’t change them, because they are driven by the devil to do things which are not only harmful to others but to themselves.
We realise that the externalisers cannot be allowed to pursue their ‘doing something about it’, unhindered. We have an obligation to demonstrate our own rational path and to protect ourselves and people from the madmen like Bush and Blair. Our efforts to resist them are done for our own reward, and not in any expectation of changing the world by our own hands.
The world leaders are madmen, and it also drives some of us mad.
Angrysoba
I don’t think you are a shill, in fact I find your postings sane and illuminating. I, however, am most definitely a Tinfoil Hat. It seems to me that anyone contributing their comments to a blog like this must be well aware that the narrative of events provided for public consumption is very often a fiction contrived to conceal rather than advance the truth. In that sense, we are all conspiracy theorists, it is just a matter of degree. Forgive me if I am wrong. As for the 9/11 ‘hi-jackers’, irrespective of the dead or still alive issue, I think a good case can be made to say they were patsies much like Lee Harvey Oswald. Fifteen or so got their visas from the CIA’s consulate of choice in Jeddah; five of them trained at the US Naval base in Pensecola Florida… like LHO they were clearly known to the authorities; like him they went out of their way to make a big noise and draw attention to themselves in the days leading up to the attack ?” fighting in bars and stuff, leaving their business cards behind. Severe doubts exist as to their ability to pilot the aircraft. And the authorities managed to name and produce photos of all nineteen within a couple of days, just as the Christchurch Morning Star managed to produce a full biography with photo of the supposed unknown lone nut before he’d even been arraigned for the President’s murder.
anno
In Islam mad people are not held responsible for their crimes.
If their crimes were due to their illness, they are not punished in this world or the next.
I don’t think setting your own leg on fire is a crime against anyone but yourself.
I don’t think setting your own leg on fire can in anyway lead to an aircraft blowing up.
So either he was mad, or he wasn’t trying to blow anything up but trying to make some sort of point.
I had trouble following the posts here – Uhm must be that poison Kool-Aid I drunk over Christmas/Boxing day?
Never mind let’s hope aid to Gaza gets through the blockage before the party is too weak to move on.
ed hall:
‘It reflects terribly badly on the self-styled human rights activist Craig Murray to have a bunch of fucking bawbags like you writing the sort of pish you might expect on a David Icke site.’
Actually, I believe Craig is fully aware that his blog has resident shills/trolls/disinfo agents on it. By this ‘sort of pish’ I expect you mean questioning why Mutallab and Reid didn’t use the plane toilet? Brilliant! I wil also refer you to ‘Comment 72’ as ‘probable’ future responses of mine to you gibberish. I honestly don’t see anything intelligent on the horizon… You are a legend mate. Cheers. 😉
“sets fire to own leg”
“he wasn’t trying to blow anything up”
“What is not an issue is Nigerian’s farting…”
“Al Qaeda as a terrorist organisation doesn’t exist”
“So all it takes now is some nut with a firecracker to get everyone in the West peeing their pants.”
50 grams of PETN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZENvUVG6TE
20 grams of PETN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aleeJ9Rg4Hw&feature=related
This poor misunderstood Nigerian protester had 80 grams.
jaded
I’m not your “mate” you over-familiar little wingnut.
Heh Craig:
Now aren’t you just showing your true colors with this post?
You’re probably one of those idiots who think that 911 was an inside job. Your followers certainly seem to believe that.
I always find it absolutely hilarious when the left wing in the U.K. is spouting the same nonsense as the right wing in the U.S.
Another indication that the U.K. is pretty much a failed state at this point.
LOL. All you agents are right sick MOFOS. Get a frickin life!!! Why didn’t he got to the toilet? Tra la la la la… There is no answer! 😉
And you are my mate, my MUPPET MATE. I won’t desert you kiddo… 😉
“I’m not your “mate” you over-familiar little wingnut.”
–ed hall
Eddie! Is that you? We missed you!
Wingnuts, tinfoil hats, Kool Aid … all we need now are moonbats and leftards and we’ll be a fully-fledged US of A comment thread. Not forgetting, “Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant” and “Why don’t you get out of your mother’s basement?”.
Stooge XZ9301
Nah! 911 was an ‘outside’ job – silly!
Have a cup of tea and ponder, too much caffeine damages the brain.