Happy Christmas Everybody!!
I just saw an eyewitness on BBC TV News recount that the Nigerian man who set fire to his leg on a Delta flight was shouting “about Afghanistan”. Which proves yet again that by occupying Afghanistan we are provoking, not preventing, attempted terrorism.
Regular readers know that I fly out of Schiphol some thirty times a year. Security there is ultra tight – in fact a real pain in the neck – with intensive searches and x rays actually at gate. The non-explosive and non-dangerous (as it proved) substance he had might very well prove to be duty free alcohol – it is being described by the US authorities as “incendiary” rather than “explosive”. But the BBC is still referring to an “Explosive mixture”, even though it plainly was not “explosive” as it did not explode.
It seems to me most improbable that if Abdul Faroukh really was working for Al-Qaida, he would have been quite so open about it, as it is claimed he is being. But we will doubtless see this incident ramped up more and more to justify the occupation of Afghanistan. A BBC “security correspondent” is waffling on even now about “sophisticated explosive devices”. In fact it sounds as about as effective as a christmas cracker.
Don’t let it spoil your turkey sandwiches. How long before Brown is on screen explaining this is why we have to be in Afghanistan?
“Why didn’t he got to the toilet?”
His seat was just above a fuel tank. The bathroom was not just above a fuel tank.
Moron.
It’s just so funny when conspiracy-tards rehash claims that were thoroughly debunked five years ago.
Craig Murray’s followers are the intellectual equivalents of Alex Jones’ followers.
There’s something seriously wrong with the U.K., given Craig Murray’s current position. I can assure you that we treat Alex Jones as the loony nut that he is.
Of course there are extreme Muslims who might want to blow up a plane just as there are extreme Western politicians who rain down bombs murdering and maiming innocent citizens in their thousands if not millions.
But like all the highly publicised terrorist acts there’s something odd about this latest one. If he really wanted to blow up the plane why didn’t he stay in the toilet? Also there are reports he didn’t have a passport and was accompanied at the airport by a well-dressed man. And why wasn’t he searched properly by the Israeli security company?
I wonder when his father reported him to the US, the US made good use of him.
No need for rendition when the goods are served up on a plate.
Ruth, wow. We can count on the fact that right-wing nuts in America will, over the next week, point out further anomalies and unexplained minor circumstances that the left wing in Britain will pick up and run with. So far, your lack of imagination shows. As such, you’re going to have to wait for those people in America who, one generation earlier, would have been comfortable in the KKK to really tie up your conspiracy-inclined mind.
“I wonder when his father reported him to the US, the US made good use of him.”
So, his father reporting him as a potential terrorist proves that he was a patsy for the U.S. government.
Your logic is far from compelling.
Your brain is about as developed as a ranting right-wing American nutjob. Congratulations on that.
By the way, what is it like to live in a country where you don’t have free speech?
Ruth, here’s your intellectual equivalent in the U.S.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCHJoh9ywlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81rZ2DlfENQ
What is wrong with you people?
wahey 😀
treble trollicking fish slap shots all round!
Stooge “Agent” : So you admit to being an American, who just feels obliged to stop by on “left wing” UK sites, to give us US based wisdom on how you’ve got your problems all sorted out? And that your Yankee know-how concerns routing out these “lefties”, calling them names, and that solves the problem, eh?
You bring up Alex Jones. Jones is an unprincipled, lying publicity hound, who is prepared to denounce Obama as some big scarey commie/Nazi while denying climate change and throwing a few bones to the 9/11 Truth movement, while pretending to be chased by the illuminati, Bilderberg group, and anything else which people may latch onto . What has he got to do with Craig Murray?
And since about 1/2 of America buys into Alex Jones’ BS about Obama (much of which is promoted by Fox News anyway), are you quite sure that you speak for all Americans in saying Jones is treated as a nut? Or is your “we” the corporate think-tank who pay your $0.50 per post?
Claiming a feeble retort to having “debunked” serious questions about Official Truths does not make it a genuine “debunking”, no matter how shrill you might be in claiming it to be so. (Like that US term “shrill” I put in there for you?) The only serious debunking worthy of the name is that done on the “9/11 commission report” itself. Starting with the guy who drafted and was senior counsel on the report – “The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies” :
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php
(This is everywhere, btw, not just on one dodgy site.)
If you claim to know of and to take the 9/11 CR seriously, you’d be claiming a level of credulity that a Scientologist could only marvel at.
Keep plugging away though, with this and your other pseudo-names. You need you 50 cent payment per post, and we need these subjects aired. I expect nothing like that utter hostility from you, because that is the only way you people know. But ridicule and denouncement is not so effective outside America, because we don’t automatically run behind the loudest, most authoritarian voice the way your lot does.
Craig, you seem to have some fairly obvious trolls/black-ops-shills multi-posting on this thread, specifically Angrysoba and Agent XYZ. Is it your policy to let such wreckers’ posts stay up? Just clutters up, confuses and diverts actually-useful discussion into ridiculous flame-duels, after all, which is its purpose.
I guess it’s a tiresome nitty-gritty for a busy man to go through all the comments and comb out and delete this malign dreck, but someone ought to do it, to make it clear that such subversion gets removed on this site, so it’s not worth trying it.
Perhaps you need a ‘No Hasbara tolerated here’ warning somewhere prominent on your site.
Arsalan Goldberg
In Islam if you are mad you don’t get to be the president nor prime minister. I wouldn’t mind Bush and Blair being mad, if they were not in power at the same time.
An inquiry has begun. The Queen has appeared in Santa slay red, and Charles in Victorian hunting garb. Snow and banks have fallen. Normal business resumes.
Living on the proceeds of interest makes you crazy. The whole of the UK and brother Mutalab are in the same boat. We are under the control of interest-eating fools.
“And since about 1/2 of America buys into Alex Jones’ BS about Obama (much of which is promoted by Fox News anyway), are you quite sure that you speak for all Americans in saying Jones is treated as a nut?”
Very few Americans know about Alex Jones.
Why do you believe that 1/2 of Americans believe that?
Just a typical standard ignorant British misconception of America.
What’s this “$0.50 per post” business? What silly goose American nutjob convinced you of this?
There are some true-believer Muslims on this website and I’m the one accused of having the credulity of a Scientologist.
Hilarious, and typical left-wing Brit.
To the non-Muslims here – when do you plan on converting? They demand nothing less.
Larry from St. Louis
Why do you take your information about Muslims from your media? I’ve seen a clip of a US lady claiming that Muslims will force US women to wear the burka. Who puts out these strange ideas? Not Muslims.
Muslims demand not to be bombed and vilified by US government bullies.
At present I do not allow one second of US accent to enter my home over the radio. Even the US Muslims who went to Iraq were brainwashed into thinking they were there to teach the Iraqis Islam.
Ho ho ho !
Give us a break Larry and go back to WaPo – The Muslim run Budgen store at the end of my street has provided a great service – yes I admit I forgot the brussel sprouts and Bisto gravy for Christmas dinner –
Advice:
Keep race hatred, xenophobia, class hatred and the other character traits of the psychopath out of Brit sites.
Larry listen to this song, replace the words “Nice South African”, with smart American and that is what the world thinks about America, its population and its press.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLMKUXZ3hk
Sorry I got it ‘wrong’ apparently Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula claimed responsibility Friday for an attempt to destroy a Northwest Airlines jet over Detroit on Christmas Day, saying that it had done so in response to airstrikes against the group in Yemen this month.
I would have liked to mentioned a American who is like Breyten Breytenbach, but I couldn’t because America have never ever produced anyone like that.
http://www.france24.com/en/20091222-breyten-breytenbach-voice-over-south-africa-writer-poem-casali
Mark the thing about stuff that is “claimed” is anyone can claim anything in the name of anyone.
I should have pointed out that I’m not remotely concerned with Muslims in America attempting to impose their religion on me. Hasn’t happened yet. I live among Muslims and it’s all good.
However, it’s quite interesting Muslims HERE extolling the virtues of their religion. Reminded me of what a solid number of Muslims in Britain are saying about the future of Islam in Britain.
Has anybody got anything factual/sensible/logical to say about my comment?
‘Of course there are extreme Muslims who might want to blow up a plane just as there are extreme Western politicians who rain down bombs murdering and maiming innocent citizens in their thousands if not millions.
But like all the highly publicised terrorist acts there’s something odd about this latest one. If he really wanted to blow up the plane why didn’t he stay in the toilet? Also there are reports he didn’t have a passport and was accompanied at the airport by a well-dressed man. And why wasn’t he searched properly by the Israeli security company?
I wonder when his father reported him to the US, did the US made good use of him. No need for rendition when the goods are served up on a plate.’
True, Arsalan, thanx for reminding me.
I think that the standard predictable ignorant boring British anti-American rhethoric will have to adjust slightly now that the U.S. has elected as President a person of color who was educated in a Muslim school for at least a few years.
Four posts from “Larry” since mine – three in reply to just one post. Wonder what he’ll do with his $2.00 duly earned? 🙂
Fascinating that right-wing cranks from America want to spend time on a UK website they’ve declared “left wing”. I like to spend my time on sites that interest me. For instance, almost nobody visits or comments on Charles Crawford’s stuffy, pompous and boring “Blogoir”, yet his apologia for far-right views and war crimes would be of much more interest for Murray’s detractors here. So why is “Larry”/ “Agent”/ “Ugly-s.o.a.b” or whatever he calls himself now not visiting and posting there instead?
Good work on splitting a reply over multiple posts, “Larry” – at 21:07, 21:09 and 21:18 all in reply to the _same_ post from me to someone else! – that made you $1.50 in 11 minutes – damned good work! You get paid by the _number_ of posts, after all, not the _quality_ or _length_ . That’s why the latter two components are so lacking. Naturally, you did not tackle one single real point that I raised.
Craig – you can eliminate these pests with a £5.00/year registration fee. It’s had to be implemented when these paid-for shills start to infest progressive US sites (such as Thom Hartmann’s).
Note how these post-for-hire shills respond within minutes – directly on point – even if they are addressing responses made to their posts under another name. For instance, I write to “Agent”, and “Larry” replies immediately. Clever they ain’t. How they must hover over “left-wing” sites they supposedly have no time for at all! 🙂
Here’s one Ruth – on what basis do you believe that he was supposed to have been properly searched by an Israeli security company?
Oh, now I get it – apparently I’m supposed to be getting paid $.50 per post.
I really thought that what was attempted to be claimed above was that the U.S. government charges Americans $.50 per post.
I just didn’t get it, because sometimes I don’t understand paranoid loons.
Good luck with the crazy.
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