Blair just said “You would be hard pressed to find anyone who in September 2002 doubted that Saddam had WMD”.
It wouldn’t have been that hard. If he had asked members of the Near East and North Africa Department of the FCO, the Middle East experts in the FCO’s Research Analysts, or in the Defence Intelligence Service, he would have found absolutely no shortage of people who doubted it, whatever position No 10 was forcing on their institutions.
One of the many failures of this Inquiry has been a failure to ask individual witnesses before it whether they personally had believed in the existence of any significant Iraqi WMD programme. I know for certain that would have drawn some extremely enlightening answers from among the FCO and probably MOD participants.
Sir Martin Gilbert allowed Blair to conflate Iran, Iraq, Al-Qaida, WMD and terrorism in a completely unjustified way. When Straw tried exactly the same trick, Rod Lyne did not allow him to get away with it.
A further stark contrast with Straw is that both Blair and Straw were asked about the failure of the UK to secure movement in the Middle East peace process by using our role in Iraq to influence the USA. A major, detailed and fascinating part of Straw’s answer was that Israel’s – and specifically Netanyahu’s – political influence in the USA had prevented progress.
By contrast, Blair did not even mention Israel in response to the questions on the failure to achieve progress in the Middle East. He solely blamed the Palestinian Intafada. He has been anxious to widen the discussion beyond Iraq at every opportunity, and frequently referred to destabilising factors in the Middle East, and again and again pointed to a growing threat from Iran and Iranian sponsorship of terrorism, and to Palestinian terrorism (including Saddam Hussein’s past sponsorship of it).
He has made not one single comment about Israel’s behaviour as a contributing factor in Middle East instability. Given Blair’s official position as Middle East envoy, this lack of any bare pretence at impartiality is most revealing.
Mark
http://tinyurl.com/yem5s29
Mohammed Atif Siddique was victim of a “miscarriage of justice”, says Appeal Court
The thing about him was he got 8 years, and served four.
That means he would have been out by now if he hadn’t appealed. But now that he has appealed and been proved innocent, he is still in prison for appealing.
TO MARK GOLDING RE– “It was not our people”. I’m afraid it is and the evidence is overwhelming.
Click on my wiki below. Look at Chapter 2 and you will see a list of where our people have practiced zerzetsen on others before me(I am not our people’s only victim), then go to Chapter 7 and you will see significant evidence of the involvement of MI5/6 and CSIS in the intimidation – and there is more.
Then go to Chapter 4 – the cover up conspiracy. You will see enormous evidence of cover-up. e.g Hazel Blears/Home office providing 4 different lies in writing as excuses not to investigate my complaints, and myself getting threatened for pushing the matter with Blears. Then there is the crooked judge lying to set me up for an MI5 smear, and a written police report that is fabricated from beginning to end and provably so. Not to mention all the buck passing. So if it is not our people who are doing it, then why are our people trying to cover it up so much.
And finally the original slandering after I left Grosvenor. I can tell you with certainty that at the behest of Grosvenor, MI6 ran a character assassination programme against another former executive a year before I left. I will call him Mr. X. I was told that Mr. X had been fired because he asked for a bribe. I asked his direct boss who headed Grosvenor’s Canadian Subsidiary if we were going to involve the police. He said no. So I said “if we don’t prosecute, how will the public know that this guy has committed a fraud – they might hire him thinking he was an honest man”. Mr. X’s boss (who is today a well known Vancouvewr lawyer) told me that the Chairman had connections with MI6 and that he was making arrangements to ensure that the facts got out without any possible come back on Grosvenor. So I know that they used MI6 before. Incidentally about 3 months after this I was told by another executive that Mr. X had never asked for a bribe at all, it was just a smear because a top executive didn’t like him (i.e. the guy who had the MI6 contact). He then mentioned the name of another executive who had had similar treatment before I joined the company. This story in more detail was provided by me to the police and grosvenor in 2004 since it is a precedent for my own slandering a year later.
Mark, I am quite prepared to accept that the majority of people within MI5/6 are decent and not involved, but they have a section that is involved in this sort of stuff. The evidence is overwhelming, and there is far more than I have put on the wiki. Of course they are going to deny it. My experience of MI5/6 has been one self serving lie afer another. Ask yourself – If MI5/6 are not involved, then why have they been covering it up so much???? Read the new wiki, then look at the correspondence attached, and see for yourself.
“Atif Siddique”…
http://tinyurl.com/yauluyk
Haematologists…? It’s in the blood.
Spot-on wrt the Israel Firsters.
Lobster is indeed a wonderful magazine – now on the web, of course.
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/
Yep, once again, it all has to be about Roderick and his crazy thoughts.
Will someone else disabuse Roderick of the notion that the government is torturing him?
Heh Roderick – what’s your two best pieces of evidence for what you call “Zersetzen”?
Larry shouldn’t you be in the 911 thread agreeing Angry?
Roderick Russell,
I found what you said about the other executives interesting. Often smearing takes place when the smearer has something to fear from the smeared.
My research strongly suggests that the intelligence services are actively involved in all sorts of illegal financial activities and that there are vast networks of companies offshore and here where the money is laundered.
SMEAR AFTER SMEAR ?” ONCE AGAIN “LARRY THE LIAR” HELPS MI6 OUT
I answer Mark Golding’s very legitimate question re MI5/6 involvement in the zerzetsen, and immediately the MI*s have their subcontract “Larry the Liar” (see Craig’s earlier blog on “agent provocateurs”) jump in using the same old SMEAR to divert attention from what I replied to Mark.
If anybody wants to see why zerzetsen constitutes torture just click on my signature to see my WIKI and then click on Chapter 2 in the margin “Zerzetsen Torture ?” A serious Human Rights Abuse”. The first part of Chapter 2 lists other cases of zerzetsen by MI5/6. It lists a few instances of others who have suffered from zerzetsen by MI5 and you can check them out for legitimacy by going to the internet to see for yourself. It even names one of Larry’s US colleagues whom he may wish to tell us about – Tony Pellicano.
WIKI CHAPTER 2 ALSO OUTLINES WHY ZERZETSEN IS LEGALLY TORTUE ?” The 2nd part of Chapter 2 headed “why zerzetsen torture is a human rights abuse” is self explanatory. If you want to see evidence of the pattern of torture then simply look at Chapter 1 under the sub-heading “What Is it like to be a victim of zerzetsen”, and you will see a huge pattern of zerzetsen no touch torture enfold. Examples of actual instances of threats, etc. are outlined in Chapter 5 ?” description, dates, witnesses, etc.
I welcome critical review, but Larry’s comments are just insults without analysis. Larry the Liar’s objective is not debate, but SMEAR SMEAR SMEAR. I don’t think Larry is an intelligence agent ?” not MI6, not CIA ?” not good enough ?” more likely he is just one of those whose dream it was to be a CIA agent, and who gets a thrill just helping out for free, or as a subcontract for MI6 at a very low rate.
Why does MI6s Dirty Tricks section (I/OPS) have Larry keep repeating his accusations? It’s Hitler’s Technique and is described in Mein Kampf. MI6 know that if you repeat a lie often enough, some of what you say will stick. I think if Larry is going to continue in this vein then he should provide his contact details (as I have repeatedly requested of him, and as I do), or is he too much of a coward.
Heh Roderick – what’s your two best pieces of evidence for what you call “Zersetzen”?
Roderick,
Let me give you a lesson.
“Barack Obama stole my taco dinner.”
So now I’ve written that Barack Obama stole my taco dinner.
According to your standards of evidence, that is absolute impeachable evidence for the proposition for Barack Obama having stolen my taco dinner.
However, for someone like me, and the rest of my fellow rational thinkers, merely writing that does not remotely support the proposition.
I’ve looked through your pages. Other than people writing to you to tell you things along the lines of “Barack Obama did not in fact steal your taco dinner,” you have no evidence for your propositions.
It was nice while it lasted.
Ruth, What you say makes sense. I think that companies who utilize these offshore tax avoidance and financing vehicles can become too close to intelligence (who are utilizing similar vehicles for other purposes) and consequently it makes it easy for them to start a campaign of slander if they are of that bent ?” and some Grosvenor Vancouver staff clearly were. I don’t think intelligence operatives have much in the way of ethics — the very nature of the job (lies, deceit) says it all — and so it would not surprise me if some were in the money laundering business for themselves.
Roderick: You’re wise to ignore “wide-stance” Larry. I’d advise you to keep on doing so – at least until he’s explained why he hates America so much.
Of course it is a devious or dumb challenge -to demand two peices of evidence that could establish a campaign which is, ambiguous by design.
Even i can notice that.
“ZIONIST TROLLS WHO INFECT THE INTERNET”…
http://tinyurl.com/yd5r5qj
“New Israeli military unit to fight enemies on Facebook, Twitter”…
tinyurl.com/ydkvh7g
I’m Mary from Michigan. And Neil from Nassau. And Caroline from California. And I am inside you and I am legion.
Just thought you’d like to know.
PO Box: Perdition
“We’re not behind every post-box, but if they think we are, then we’ve won.”
This should bring the “hasbarats” out –
“Blair: Gaza’s great betrayer
It’s more than a year since Israel launched its immoral attack on Gaza and Palestinians are still living on the verge of a humanitarian disaster. So what has Tony Blair done to further peace in the region? Virtually nothing, argues the historian Avi Shlaim”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/03/gaza-tony-blair-betrayal
That was J. Edgar Hoover.
Here’s a much older one:
“If you’re searching for the wolf, do not be distracted by the spider.”
Antonio Rujari D’Ali, 1173 CE, Balharm
“This should bring the “hasbarats” out -”
http://tinyurl.com/yj7uqe8
Re: Katharine Gun, from Wikipedia:
The case came to court on 25 February 2004. Within half an hour, the case was dropped because the prosecution declined to offer evidence. The reasons for the prosecution dropping the case are unclear. The day before the trial, Gun’s defence team had asked the government for any records of advice about the legality of the war that it had received during the run-up to the war. A full trial might have exposed any such documents to public scrutiny as the defence were expected to argue that trying to stop an illegal act (that of an illegal war of aggression) trumped Gun’s obligations under the Official Secrets Act.
“The case came to court on 25 February 2004. Within half an hour, the case was dropped because the prosecution declined to offer evidence. The reasons for the prosecution dropping the case are unclear.”
NOT dropping the case BEFORE it came to trial would give Katharine Gun a record that would show up if a search were done on her years down the line by a future employer,etc, even after having been cleared, a record goes on file. They must have known they were going to drop the case BEFORE the trial…They should be made to explain. What a waste of public money.
Roderick Russell
Some of the intelligence operatives may be in it for themselves. But this is not what I’m getting at.
What my research has suggested is that there is a vast network of assets which the intelligence services has procured through illicit means and that these funds are utilised not by the government as we see it but by the ‘permanent government’, the Establishment, or deep government or whatever you call a government within a government.
Ruth: are they warm-blooded or cold-blooded?
Cold-blooded like you. Have you never been happy in your life, even as a child? If you haven’t, then you truly have my sympathy.
Ruth, I am not disagreeing with you at all. We all learnt from Iran Contra et al that the intelligence services do just what you have suggested — rather than finance controversial projects through legitimate government appropriations, they are known to do secret (and corrupt) dealings and put the profits into offshore slush funds. Once they have money in a slush fund they can do what they want from financing foreign mercenary operations (such as Nicaraguan contras), to bribing people of influence, to helping themselves personally. President Eisenhower warned about the dangers of the industrial military complex. My experience suggests that the real danger today is the growing convergence between the intelligence services and the establishment elites. When the establishment can override Rule of Law with impunity as they have in my case, we are moving well down a road that takes us away from democracy.
Jaded:
‘Cold-blooded like you. Have you never been happy in your life, even as a child? If you haven’t, then you truly have my sympathy.’
Yes, I did indeed know he would be too scared to answer that one…
Jaded: I thought he was still composing his answer to why he hated America so much 🙂