The Iraq Inquiry has taken us back again to that period where the government had engaged in a massive military build up ready to invade Iraq, and was desperately looking for evidence on WMD to trigger the invasion – an invasion on which the Washington neo-cons had pinned their entire hopes for the future of the Bush presidency.
Just at that crucial time, one of the UK’s foremost experts on Iraqi WMD had let slip to the BBC that the government’s claims did not stand up. As a result, he was found dead in a wood, while the BBC journalist, Andrew Gilligan, who correctly reported that there were no WMD, was fired for telling the truth.
The punishment of the BBC for failing to unquestioningly echo Blair lies went much further. The Chairman and Director General were forced out. All because the BBC said there may have been no WMD, when there were not.
It is almost incredible even now to state what New Labour have done. God know what future historians will make of it.
The BBC was traumatised, and went through an acceleration of cultural change that prized “managers” over journalists, and stopped criticising government. A foundation stone of democracy had been blasted away by Tony Blair.
Kelly’s death was extremely convenient for Blair, Cheney and a myriad of other ultra ruthless people. It paved the way for war. We should not forget how very crucial the WMD issue was in convincing enough reluctant New Labour MPs to go along. Without the UK there would have been no coalition – most of the other Europeans would have quickly dropped out too. It is by no means clear that, despite Cheney’s bluster, the Americans would have invaded Iraq alone.
So Kelly was the first man killed in the Iraq war. Hundreds of thousands of people died in Iraq after Kelly. Arms manufacturers, mercenary companies and the security industry made tens of billions in profit. That’s a powerful motive to remove an obstacle. The Western oil companies are getting back into Iraq.
We will never know if Kelly would have gone on to repeat his – perfectly correct – doubts about Iraqi WMD, or if he would have shut up, as ordered by Tony Blair through the MOD. I do know, as many doctors have attested, it is extremely unlikely to bleed to death by cutting a wrist. I do know that the paramedics who attended said there was very little blood at the scene. I do know that the painkillers he took were a tiny proportion of a fatal dose and were not an anticoagulant. I do know that a chemical weapons expert like Dr Kelly would know better ways to kill himself.
And I do know that the government is keeping the evidence hidden for seventy years.
Hi Larry. If that were the government’s reasoning it would be strange. Their actions have been unusual in denying a proper inquest and concealing the autopsy report. This inevitably gives rise to suspicions that could have been avoided, and hence the feeling that releasing the details or holding an inquest would be more damaging than not. Some people will choose to believe the worst possible and others accept anything the government says without question, but between the two extremes there are those who try to make up their minds based on the evidence, yet the evidence is being withheld.
Conspiraloons:
http://911lies.org/former_gov_officials_speak_openly_911.html
Multiplying+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The only logical conclusion is that Hutton is part of the conspiracy to hide the murder of Dr Kelly by the intelligence services. Dr Gerald Bull, who was behind the Supergun and other secret projects, was murdered in similar circumstances just before he was about to spill the beans.
CIA – forget about 911. You should see that this thread is about David Kelly and not 911 (which by the way was not an inside job and was done by 19 Arab Muslim terrorists).
Oh dear, Larry needs his “they’re all talking about 9/11” fix for the day. Very well, just to keep him happy, here’s a question which didn’t get answered the other day:
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Anyone got a proper picture of a jumbo jet hitting the Pentagon? The whole area was festooned with cameras, so surely there’s a decent still somewhere? Anyone? Better still, a reasonable quality moving picture.
ok, if that’s a bit too hard, how about a picture of the crashed plane – we all know what these terrible scenes look like, lots of bits of planes, seats, luggage all over the place. Would someone be so kind as to reference one? From the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania crash sites, please.
Ruth – and just like the death of Hilda Murrell:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article2719239.ece
If Flight 77 didn’t crash into the Pentagon, what happened to it and the people on board?
Look, this is weird. In all this time, no-one has asked “The war had already started anyway, so what would have been the point of killing Kelly?”. I can understand the murder theorists ignoring that, but why didn’t any suicide supporters ask it? Has everyone been mad for 6 years?
glenn, THANK YOU for proving my point. There’s plenty of evidence that satisfies that demand. I could show you some, but you’ll ignore it. For years to come you’ll be resurrecting the thoroughly debunked conspiracy claims of 2003.
The same can be said for the evidence on David Kelly.
(Again, I’m not sure what the reason is for the sequestration).
Owen: I’m not interested in questions like that – they don’t matter here. Larry says only one person (out of his mates, anyway!) changed their minds about doubting the government position. Fine – reference some pictures that clearly show a jumbo hitting the Pentagon, and you’ve got me convinced that’s what happened. How about that for a deal?
And how about going the other way – people that believed the government’s story, the Official Truth, but then stopped believing it – how many did that? So why should it be significant that not many people have suddenly started to trust the government’s word again? I think old Larry’s shock that – say it breathlessly now – “just one” person started to become a True Believer again is rather overplayed.
There’s a big difference between the two cases and the way they’ve been handled. Can you imagine the result if the 70 year rule had been applied to 9/11?
Larry – not from St Louis,
Kelly was murdered by Saddam’s ‘hit men’
Flight 77 passengers were transferred to Flight 93 and blown out da sky – anyone knows that dork – are you from the bronx?
Jeez Larry the Lamb – go home with your poisonous cool-aid
Guide to how to properly receive an Official Truth (originally by “Ralph”). Say –
Nothing suspicious here. All above board. We believe the government no matter what – – and how does that go? Right arm raised at a 45 degree angle, palm down, and simultaneously with a sharp snapping click of the heels, while yelling loudly, Sieg Heil!
Larry,
you powder puff – I know u you da guy in the base-ball hat – yeh da one wiv the da cool actors voice on fOX news dat dribbled ball-shit fa a bunch
of green-baks.
wwwhaaa busted – go bak to 5th grade wako
“Speaking of logic, I have still to see you Larry, eddie or angrysoba come up with a good reason for the evidence being kept under wraps for seventy years.”
Jeez Louise. Some of you are more demanding than my Mossad paymasters.
I don’t actually, really, genuinely work for the NWO so I don’t actually, genuinely, really have access to all the information.
It has been speculated that the family didn’t want to be badgered by conspiracy theorists for the rest of their lives and wanted to get on with their own.
But with conspiracy theorists on most theories they demand that their quirky ideas are constantly and interminably indulged by every professional member of any field.
It’s ironic that dreolin says, again, in her customary sarcastic way that I of course KNOW he committed suicide. She’s disingenuously pretending that she’s just asking questions, which is a typical tactical retreat from those who declare that they KNOW David Kelly was murdered.
—“Look, this is weird. In all this time, no-one has asked “The war had already started anyway, so what would have been the point of killing Kelly?”. I can understand the murder theorists ignoring that, but why didn’t any suicide supporters ask it? Has everyone been mad for 6 years?”—
I believe I did do that, didn’t I? I have no idea why it still seems to be a common belief that David Kelly was murdered IN ORDER to go to Iraq. If anything I would have imagined the reverse would have been true. If the Gubmint had murdered David Kelly or he he committed suicide in the woods prior to the war it would have almost certainly damaged Tony Blair’s push for war, would it not?
Hey “Larry & Soba” – here’s another question for you, while you’re getting those pictures.
Question: What’s the most significant lie do you believe the government has ever told you, as a citizen?
That’s assuming you (as a couple) think that any Official Truth could be questioned, of course. I’m interested in knowing what you consider the most damaging item to be. That will give a good baseline for your level(s) of credulity.
Thanks in advance.
“Question: What’s the most significant lie do you believe the government has ever told you, as a citizen?”
I would say there a number of lies that the government made in the run-up to the Iraq War. The 45-minute claim was absurd, and I thought so at the time.
If it makes you feel any better, I didn’t believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
My guess was that if they had had them they would have used them in the 1991 Gulf War. A lot of people thought that they would (and this was one of the arguments made by anti-war groups at the time that liberating Kuwait was a bad idea).
I’m sure there have been other massive porkies but I don’t keep up with them so much given that I live in Japan and don’t always keep in touch.
How about you?
I’m not going to go dig up pictures for you to ignore them. If you have questions on 911 – that is, if you have genuine concerns, or if at least you’re genuinely curious, you can go to the Jref forums.
It’s a bit deranged for you to suggest that if I don’t believe in your silly 911 conspiracy theory, then I “believe the government no matter what.” For instance, I don’t think Craig Murray believes in your nonsense, and we can all agree that he doesn’t believe the government no matter what.
In fact, consider the anti-war movement. At least in the U.S. and Canada, they want nothing to do with your dumb Sept. 11 conspiracies. They literally chase you away in Toronto. I’m fairly certain the U.K. anti-war folks do that as well. If you don’t believe me, please please test this out.
“Question: What’s the most significant lie do you believe the government has ever told you, as a citizen?”
Colin Powell and the mobile bio-weapons labs. I laughed at the TV.
Larry: Couldn’t be bothered to find any pictures eh? I’m shocked beyond belief. Particularly because you could doubled your claimed success in reforming a “truther” had you been arsed to do so.
Glenn, you and I both know that you won’t stop believing in your iteration of the 911 conspiracy. I mean, you’ll pulling out crap from 2003 that’s been debunked from years. During all that time, if you were seriously curious, you would have gone to the Jref, or to other sources, and found the correct information.
Angrysoba & Larry – that’s good. Very good indeed, you both can accept that the government can and does indeed lie shamelessly to us. So not all Official Truths are based in fact.
Then why should you pair not also be called “loons”, by your own hitherto de facto definition of same?
Glenn: “Fine – reference some pictures that clearly show a jumbo hitting the Pentagon”
This is, I believe, the second time you have talked about jumbo jets. The first time was when you said the hijackers couldn’t fly and questioned whether the pilots even had licenses. When I showed you they did, you never responded (just as you never responded to another post of mine which debunked your nonsense about John Farmer and several other “points” you made there).
I don’t believe 757’s are commonly referred to as jumbo jets.
“was done by 19 Arab Muslim terrorists”
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me! 😀
Larry said: “Glenn, you and I both know that you won’t stop believing in your iteration of the 911 conspiracy.”
Nope. Just give me some proper pictures (preferably moving) that I’ve asked you for, and I’ll entirely shut up on the subject.
How hard can it be? A freaking Jumbo Jet crashed into the Pentagon – surely one could fill a skip with tape showing that happening, right?
Just “be bothered” this time – show me the references to it actually happening, and I’ll say damn, you’re right Larry. But if you carry on weasling around, that speaks volumes.
Glenn, I just don’t understand this world you live in.
Glenn, there are a number of people who believe that there were no planes at the World Trade Center. That is, all videotapes (whether TV network, personal or otherwise) are fake. Directed energy beams from outer space felled the Towers.
Although you seem to a no-planer of sorts …
I think we can all agree that they’re a bunch of loons.
Not because they doubt the government, but because they’re advancing something loony.
But you’re in a similar boat, pal.
Angrysoba: I asked you for proof that planes hit the Pentagon, as in the form of photos/movies showing this, and the best you can manage is this:
“I don’t believe 757’s are commonly referred to as jumbo jets.”
Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
That’s supposed to be as convincing as some photographic evidence, huh?
Glenn, can you honestly say that you’ve visited the debunking sites to consider the arguments against your positions?
There’s plenty of evidence outside of manipulative 911 truth-oriented sites; you should educate yourself.
Larry: Still can’t find any pictures, huh? Fascinating.
Glenn,
What happens when I do find pictures?