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MJ, so basically what you’re saying is that you believe everything told to you by Le Figaro freelance writer Alexandra Richard.
http://nyctohylophobia.blogspot.com/2007/06/obl-in-dubai-myth.html
Do you not see how rampant anti-Americanism is? Why wouldn’t it infect even the best newspapers of Europe?
hawley_jr
That was a joke, right?
It is clear they are talking about Saddam Hussein and Tony Snow is asking Cheney whether there is evidence linking Iraq to 9/11. It’s very clear that Cheney said Osama bin Laden by mistake. You surely know that. I would guess if you could play the rest of the clip it would be clear.
Oh, and look at this…the very next part of the interview that had been so closely cropped:
“Q Okay. A couple of things, I think a couple of minutes ago — I want to make sure — you said Osama bin Laden wasn’t involved in 9/11 planning. You meant Saddam Hussein, correct? That Saddam Hussein was not involved in September 11th?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Correct. Yes, sir.
Q Okay.
THE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Thanks for straightening that out. I didn’t realize I’d done that. (Laughter.)
Q Yes. Well, otherwise we’d have a whole lot more stories to deal with.”
“A cigar-chewing General Jesus H. Christ and his platoon of disciples – Lootenant Peter, Sergeant Andrew, Private Judas”
Golden Globes 2011 – Mel Gibson playing the General?
“They did not fund Al-Qaeda. They gave their funds to Pakistan’s ISI who distributed the money to those resistance movements they liked best. Arguably, they were as bad if not worse than bin Laden. Gulbuddin Hakmatyar, for example”
Anyone finding it hard to believe that this guy is a 32-year-old civilian-American teacher in Japan? Just wondering …
“You don’t need evidence, because you have no respect for the truth”
Jeeze, that was Larry! He’s hilarious. And he’s not from St Louis. Good ol’ Lar is from elsewhere.
“That was a joke, right?”
Yup, I can’t take you two seriously.
Oops, sorry, you were talking to hawley_jr.
Think I’ll have lunch.
technicolor: “asoba: point of order: I was in the NWFP/Afghanistan. The USA directly funded Hekmatyar.”
Thanks. Okay, I can certainly go a long with that.
That sounds very intrepid of you. When were you there?
angrysoba,
Thanks for that. I stand corrected.
“Good ol’ Lar is from elsewhere.”
Where? Are you also convinced that I’m a British Man in Black?
“Anyone finding it hard to believe that this guy is a 32-year-old civilian-American teacher in Japan? ”
Yep. That’s not an accurate description of me.
“Good ol’ Lar is from elsewhere.”
Where? Are you also convinced that I’m a British Man in Black?
“angrysoba,
Thanks for that. I stand corrected.”
No problem, hawley_jr. It should be noted as a very typical example of quote-mining, however. You often find things like this being used to further a CT. Another famous one is Larry Silverstein’s “pull it!”.
Here’s another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk
“Anyone finding it hard to believe that this guy is a 32-year-old civilian-American teacher in Japan? Just wondering … ”
Smells military to me. Certainly government. Don’t let them scare you off, dreoilin. Although it’s couched in abuse and ridicule, they’re paying us a compliment – they think this blog is worth silencing.
“Smells military to me.”
Once again, I’m wondering if Craig Murray is proud for having attracted a gaggle of nutjobs to his blog.
But Vronsky, who’s paying you?
Angrysoba,
So you’re American and I’m British. But we’re both military.
Is it about time to break it to them that we’re teenagers in Finland?
110 posts from just two users. That’s 1/4 of the total posts on this thread. Anyone like to guess which two these might be? (Clue: Neither are from the UK)
Dick Cheney: “So we’ve never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming.”
Interesting to recall that, prior to the invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban said they would be happy to extradite bin Laden to the US if it could provide evidence of his involvement in 911. Clearly it couldn’t.
Remind me again: why did we invade Afghanistan?
“So you’re American and I’m British. But we’re both military.”
I know. It’s classic! And this is the force of independent critical thinking minds that are going to destroy the New World Order?
“Is it about time to break it to them that we’re teenagers in Finland?”
Oh no! You gave us away!
@angrysoba: “It is clear they are talking about Saddam Hussein and Tony Snow is asking Cheney whether there is evidence linking Iraq to 9/11. It’s very clear that Cheney said Osama bin Laden by mistake. You surely know that. I would guess if you could play the rest of the clip it would be clear.”
Yes, I followed the link to the whitehouse.gov site provided under the video for more info, but got a ‘404 Page Not Found’.
Have a look at what I have just posted on the joking thread.
Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
What would you confess to if your torturers held your children?
“Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and four other groups, are demanding that the US government accounts for the whereabouts of 39 people whom they believe have been held at secret CIA prisons since the attacks of September 11 2001.”
“The list also includes a number of children, including the two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. The two boys have not been seen by family members since they were detained in Pakistan almost five years ago during a raid in search of their father.”
“The report… expresses concern over the fate of Yusuf al-Khalid and Abed al-Khalid, the sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. They were taken into custody, aged nine and seven, in September 2002, during an attempt to capture their father. A former detainee says that he saw them in March the following year, around the time their father was captured, in a secret prison where the guards tormented them with insects.
CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano dismissed the report, telling Reuters news agency that the agency acts in ‘strict accord with American law’, and that its counter-terrorist initiatives are ‘subject to careful review and oversight’. He added: ‘The United States does not conduct or condone torture.'”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/07/terrorism.usa
“Yes, I followed the link to the whitehouse.gov site provided under the video for more info, but got a ‘404 Page Not Found’.”
It’s in the archives. It appears that the correction appears a few paragraphs down. Not “immediately after” as I accidentally stated.
Click my name and you should be able to get to it.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses:
“1. I was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center Operation.
2. I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z.
3. [REDACTED]
4. I was responsible for the Shoe Bomber Operation to down two American airplanes.
5. I was responsible for the Filka Island Operation in Kuwait that killed two American soldiers.
6. 1 was responsible for the bombing of a nightclub in Bali, Indonesia, which was frequented by British and Australian nationals.
7. I was responsible for planning, training, surveying, and financing the New (or Second) Wave attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11:
a. Library Tower, California.
b. Sears Tower, Chicago,
c. Plaza Bank, Washington state.
d. The Empire State Building, New York City.
8. I was responsible for planning, financing, & follow-up of Operations to destroy American military vessels and oil tankers in the Straights of Hormuz, the Straights of Gibraltar, and the Port of Singapore.
9. I was responsible for planning, training, surveying, and financing for the Operation to bomb and destroy the Panama Canal.
10. I was responsible for surveying and financing for the assassination of several former American Presidents, including President Carter.
11. I was responsible for surveying, planning, and financing for the bombing of suspension bridges in New York.
12. I was responsible for planning to destroy the Sears Tower by burning a few fuel or oil tanker trucks beneath it or around it.
13. I was responsible for planning, surveying, and financing for the operation to destroy Heathrow Airport, the Canary Wharf Building, and Big Ben on British soil.
14. I was responsible for planning, surveying, and financing for the destruction of many night clubs frequented by American and British. citizens on Thailand soil.
15. I was responsible for surveying and financing for the destruction of the New York Stock Exchange and other financial targets after 9/11.
16. I was responsible for planning, financing, and surveying for the destruction of buildings in the Israeli city of Elat by using airplanes leaving from Saudi Arabia.
17. I was responsible for planning, surveying, and financing for the destruction of American embassies in Indonesia, Australia, and Japan.
18. I was responsible for surveying and financing for the destruction of the Israeli embassy in India, Azerbaijan, the Philippines, and Australia.
19. I was responsible for surveying and financing for the destruction of an Israeli ‘El-Al’ Airlines flight on Thailand soil departing from Bangkok Airport.
20. I was responsible for sending several Mujahadeen into Israel to conduct surveillance to hit several strategic targets deep in Israel.
21. I was responsible for the bombing of the hotel in Mombasa that is frequented by Jewish travelers via El-Al airlines.
22. I was responsible for launching a Russian-made SA-7 surface-to-air missile on El-Al or other Jewish airliner departing from Mombasa.
23. I was responsible for planning and surveying to hit American targets in South Korea, such as American military bases and a few night clubs frequented by American soldiers.
24. I was responsible for financial, excuse me, I was responsible for providing financial support to hit American, Jewish, and British targets in Turkey.
25. I was responsible for surveillance needed to hit nuclear power plants that generate electricity in several U. S. states.
26. I was responsible for planning, surveying, and financing to hit NATO Headquarters in Europe.
27. I was responsible for the planning and surveying needed to execute the Bojinka Operation, which was designed to down twelve American airplanes full of passengers. I personally monitored a round-trip, Manila-to-Seoul, Pan Am flight.
28. I was responsible for the assassination attempt against President Clinton during his visit to the Philippines in 1994 or 1995.
29. I was responsible for the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul the second while he was visiting the Philippines.”
DETAINEE: I was not responsible, but share.
PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE: I shared responsibility. I will restate number twenty nine.
29. “I shared responsibility for the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul the second while he was visiting the Philippines.
30. I was responsible for the training and financing for the assassination of Pakistan’s President Musharaf.
31. I was responsible for the attempt to destroy an American oil company owned by the Jewish former Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, on the Island of Sumatra, Indonesia.”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/report/2007/khalid-sheikh-muhammad_transcript.htm
MJ – finally we found a government that you trust. If Bill Clinton tells you there is no government 911 conspiracy, you don’t believe him. If Obama told you the same thing, you wouldn’t believe him. But you’re willing to take religious zealots at their word! Hah!
Heh – the Taliban is still around! For what else do you take them at their word?
The Daily Telegraph has an article today
“Ban butter to save our hearts, says doctor. Butter should be banned in a bid to save thousands from heart disease, a leading heart surgeon claims.
Adjusting your diet by replacing butter with a healthy spread or margarine is a very simple thing to do”
But this is a lie.
“One of the main causes of heart disease is the margarine which your doctor is telling you is so much better for you than butter. The process of manufacture of margarine involves heating oils to very high temperatures. That high temperature unfortunately guarantees that the oils will be converted into free radical forms. Margarine is made from hydrogenated fats. It is one of the worst foods you can eat.”
“Margarine manufacturers were largely successful at driving a natural and healthy food product, butter, off the market. It is because of their powerful marketing and propaganda that a lot of people today believe margarine is healthier than butter.”
But not only is this a lie, most of what you believe is a lie.
Most but not all of what this girl says is true. I think she’s got a few things wrong like Chemtrails – or maybe she is right and I am wrong.
Everything Is a Lie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_DBApVObM
Tony
Yes – the Truther Girls make an appearance!
We’ve known about hydrogenated fats being bad for years, Tony. Some cities in the States are banning them from restaurants. You’re way behind, pal.
“For what else do you take them at their word?”
Surely it would have been worth calling their bluff and providing the evidence. Who knows, it might have saved an awful lot of grief, bloodshed and money.
“There is nothing more predictable than the stupidity of a truther.”
Running close, it would be something of a suprise to see Larry come up with a characterisation that didn’t express contempt for someone. It’s a shame he hasn’t got anything better to do than read so much stuff he doesn’t seem to take any enjoyment in.
If good ol’ Lar had read the posts properly, he should have seen that I pointed out his American spelling of “pedophile” and “harbored”. I hope he’s not military. He’s very, very sloppy.
“they think this blog is worth silencing”
Interesting isn’t it. They’ve hijacked this thread pretty thoroughly. Just as well it wasn’t about anything, anyway.
Great list of the confessions of KSM posted by hawley_jr — plus the “United States does not conduct or condone torture” fiction again.
Makes me sick.
gosh, leave you all alone for a few hours and bang you have to read up 300 odd links and stuff.
Still far too much of it unrelated.
Now I used the war on terror to write my dissertation. there can be no doubt of the connections of the Bush caln to the Bin Ladens. there are people who used to work for the CIA who claim that Osama had been trained to use black op equipment, tought to access sat phone comms, etc., that he was the bag man on the ground for ISI/CIA, who not only helped to organise the building out of some caves in Tora Bora but also saw it stacked full with armunitions to use and oust the Russians, long before 911.
That he was connected with the US foreign policy projects and then turned against them is so obvious.
Sec.of state for south Asia Robin Raphel was engaged in an intense shuttle diplomacy with the Taliban during the mid 1990, he was virtually representing the UNOCAL bid for a pipeline.
And it was benazir Bhutto who affirmed, in a BBC interview with their world service on 4.Oct. 1996 that the madrassa were set up by Britain, the USA, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, during the resistance to the Soviet Union, a particualr brand of politcal islam that was directed at jihad to oust the Russians.
All of these problems that now exist in the middle east or Afghanistan/Pakistan are either remnents of old empirical attempts at line drawing in the sand, or failed understanding of what one would like to achieve and how best to go about it.
I say it again, the more soldiers that are sent to Afghanisatn, the more young and fanatically trained maddrassa fodder will volunteer. The US would achieve more by entering the madrassas, once again, but this time by promoting and teaching a more real, calm Islam, than to bomb mud huts with drones.
Notyhing will ever come of anything unless the hearts and minds are reconciled and are working together.
So lets prepare for more bodybags, because our elected Governments, the current shower just vying for our interested five seconds of power, will want us to put them into power again, hence the angst and fear campaigns, the odd pants job, something that was know for weeks just not the right people.
The CIA must be drowning in info it can’t assertain as to whats what,a overblown federal pustula that needs lancing, especially thos Xe guys and dolls, they are so bad for Governments, they give torture a bad name.
george madison warned about the connections of war and ‘degenracy of manners and morals’.
I argue that by adopting george kennan politics that jettisoned ideals of politics, in favour of maintaining 50% of the worlds resources with only 6.3% of the population, plus the misconception by many so called think tanks and economic thinkers, ‘that the world economy is a zero sum game.’ has failed the world, the USA and international stability and trust. It has pitched two misguided people with different religous outlooks against each other.
good book to recommend for understanding how it was possible for 911 to happen is Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed’s ‘The war on freedom’, but there are others. Enjoy