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Clark, Anno’s comment about Larry being an English colonial pining for the days of Lawrence and Clive is a masterpiece of speculation. He provides absolutely no evidence for his assertions and I might be inclined to believe he is joking. But it really is impossible to know.
Roderick clearly does suspect Larry is MI5/MI6 or something similar. Of course you notice that:
“I welcome critical review, but Larry’s comments are just insults without analysis. Though based in St. Louis his writing style is Public School English, not American.
This is a very nasty personal situation that Larry is libeling on. Just step back and think how evil this really is. I think we need to know a little bit more about Larry, and what his agenda is?”
And,
“Dreoilin, I agree with you that someone who writes, “a pedophile who harbored” is probably American. But I also think that whoever drafted Larry’s comment under Craig’s “Greek Orhodox Church Blog” (Jan 13th @ 6.21 AM) for him is probably English Public School educated. It is really that comment (the first one) that I was referring to. American’s don’t write in that style. ”
I don’t think I am unfairly characterizing anyone’s beliefs here.
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Goodnight Dreoilin.
Angrysoba,
my criticism of you was a bit exaggerated, but Roderick didn’t actually call Larry MI6.
I think you should be a bit kinder to those who are suspicious. If no one was misleading anyone I could understand it, but the MSM is skewing matters all the time. It must be horrible to be Muslim in the UK. And it sounds like Roderick Russell has been / is going through hell.
The Totally Pants Bomber…
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/mutallab_comment/
Angrysoba,
I suppose what I’m saying is that threat and deception evoke suspicion and fear, which we can uncharitably characterize as the mental illness called paranoia.
Angrysoba,
Larry arrived here about when you did your ‘The British Ambassador…’ piece. Do you know who he is? Is he a visitor to your blog?
“my criticism of you was a bit exaggerated, but Roderick didn’t actually call Larry MI6.”
That was clearly implied and both of us know that.
Also, I was being unkind. I think it is unkind to bolster someone’s paranoia by saying that they are right.
“It must be horrible to be Muslim in the UK.”
Really? What makes it so horrible to be a Muslim in Britain? Is Roderick Russell a Muslim?
“Do you know who he is? Is he a visitor to your blog?”
I’ve never met him and I don’t know if he visits my blog. He’s never commented there as far as I know.
“Also, I was being unkind. ”
Whoops!
I meant to say, “Also, I don’t think I was being unkind.”
Angrysoba,
Anno is Muslim. I thought I mentioned the tabloids to you. There is a thinly veiled hate campaign against Islam going on in the UK. It’s not just the tabloids, but that’s where it’s clearest. Fear is being exaggerated, and I believe deliberately so in some cases.
You should read these pages with a more open mind. Let your opinions wander a bit; you can always think yourself back into your usual mindset later. Put yourself in others’ positions.
Angrysoba,
one thing that must be horrible for lots of people here is that UK forces are part of the force that regularly kills many civilians in Afghanistan. Afghani casualties far outnumber Western casualties.
You accuse the ‘truthers’ of seeing what they look for, but this is a universal human trait. If you assume that you are immune, then you are almost certainly mistaken.
Look for the broken windows of ‘Indian’ resturants and takeaways. Look for the videos on YouTube of race hate. Look for the marches of skinheads, supposedly opposing ‘radical Islam’, but actually just racist. Look for the e-mails that get constantly circulated, with the photo of that placard years ago, after the deliberately inflamed Danish cartoons incident. That slogan was posted on THIS SITE TONIGHT. Man, are you blind?
Listen, and hear the constant drumbeat for war with Iran. Look at Larry’s justifications for the war with Iraq. Look at Larry’s ignorance of the causes of that war.
This thread appears to have melted down. An audit of poster is needed.
Glenn?
Hi. I made three posts in response to Angrysoba, and then I had to take my dog out for a walk. Angrysoba didn’t come back, I don’t know why. I’m getting ready for bed now.
Clark,
I certainly don’t disagree that there are right-wing groups who commit hateful racist attacks. They behave this way to just about any ethnic minority. It’s a disgrace and an embarrassment. But it is clearly not only Muslims who receive this treatment and I don’t know of anywhere that racism doesn’t exist in some form or another.
Also, while I think there is a legitimate debate to be had about both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, I do not agree with the idea that it is a war against Muslims. By far the largest number of Sunni Muslims killed in Iraq has been at the hands of Shia death squads, and by far the largest number of Shias killed have been at the hands of Sunni groups.
In Afghanistan there have been massive amounts of ethnic conflict there that have nothing to do with NATO’s presence. If they pull out you won’t see the end of massacres against the Hazara by the Pashtuns. It’s true that NATO has allied itself with those who are little better (Ismael Khan and Dostum) but I think there’s a naivete to some of the anti-war crowd who seem to believe that there will be no conflict once the US and the UK pull out.
“Listen, and hear the constant drumbeat for war with Iran.”
The drumbeat often comes from left-wing blogs who are adamant that war with Iran is just around the corner. I’ve heard this for about four years so far and there hasn’t been a war. If anything it appears the US has been restraining Israel from taking action against Iran’s nuclear power plants as Israel did against Iraq’s.
I don’t see Obama making any commitment to any war with Iran.
On the other hand, does Iran demonize any of its neighbours? Does its president make bellicose statements about its neighbours?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo&feature=player_embedded
Oh, and Clark. I posted an email address in the comments box on my blog in response to an earlier question of yours.
Clark: I’m extremely suspicious of posters who apparently dislike the entire ethos of the blog, yet hang around anyway, almost as if it were an assignment. Particularly when more than one such poster turns up at once, and most particularly when they spin the same sort of line. You see it on progressive media in the US (most notably in talk radio) right now. An apparently interested newcomer will be just stopping by, very interested in what you say, but could you just argue against this quite innocently assumed neocon line? And can I keep asking you for information (almost as if I were an innocent coming in afresh!) once again, in order to fool newcomers? And might I please undermine you while sounding very reasonable myself? And couldn’t I call someone a total idiot quite often, while pretending to be an ordinary bystander?
I suppose appealing to the British personality is _very_ hard to do for outsiders, particularly boiler-rooms in the US. They don’t get irony, and above all, they don’t understand that British people don’t think it right to kick a perceived “loser” (or “looser”, as they would more often have it) when they seem to be down.
Angrysoba,
just a few days ago, The Times published an article about a ‘neutron initiator’, claiming conclusive proof of Iran building a nuclear bomb. US Intelligence showed that to be fake.
Angrysoba, there are so many examples I could give. I’m not sure what time it is there, here it is almost three in the morning; you have an unfair advantage over me.
I live amongst this induced islamophobia. You do not, or maybe Japan is like it too, I don’t know. As I say, look through these pages with acceptance, just believe it for a bit, and ask yourself what it means.
Guantanamo. Torture. Watch the ‘Trophy Video’ of mercenaries shooting indiscriminately in Irag. Arrests and deportation after confiscation of deadly sugar and snapshots in Manchester.
Read Craig’s book.
And stop being an apologist for wrongdoing.
Goodnight.
Also, on the cartoons thing, the whole thing was manufactured, yes. But who actually manufactured it?
The cartoons originally came out and no one noticed. They were then picked up by a couple of Danish imams who took them to the Middle East to stir up controversy.
So the cartoonist himself actually does get attacked by a guy weilding an axe. What’s he going to do with that axe, do you think? His actions are praised by al-Shabab in Somalia.
Glenn,
thanks.
Angrysoba,
I’m aware of that. Ordinary Muslims were manipulated, partly by other Muslims.
I’ve attempted to engage with you honestly and emotionally. I’m beginning to think that you are acting in bad faith. You have failed to engage emotionally with me. You have not stated what you wish to achieve. You have spoken about truth, but no other values.
You’d better show some humanity, or I will cease to interact with you.
hey sleepyhead, great thread, now go on to bed. :))
(especialy the lyrics!)
Billy Bragg. Good man.
“Is it worth it? A new winter coat and shoes for the wife, and a bicycle on the boy’s birthday…
Goodnight, Crab, Glenn,
And Angrysoba, I hope you find peace, not just truth.
Clark said: “I’m beginning to think that you are acting in bad faith”
… do you really suppose that this might apply to some of the posters here? I am shocked to even consider such dishonesty.
Blimey
So far as I can tell Craig Murray posted
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And as a result of saying that – he has had 234 replies
That is Enormous RESPECT
And of Course He Deserves It
Craig Murray is Kind of Special
Tony
Damned straight, Tony.
He could create more topicless threads in the future for regulars to converse in, help clear up the topical ones a bit.
Clark,
I am not sure I understand what you want me to do.
In answer to your questions and some of your statements.
a) There isn’t any visible discrimination against Muslims here in Japan. It certainly doesn’t seem to be as bad as you say it is in the UK.
b) But Japanese troops were deployed to Iraq to help in reconstruction work there. I don’t think there was any belief that they were engaged in a war against Muslims.
c) I think that torture, mercenaries, Guantanamo are all completely legitimate issues. When such things happen these things should be recognized as bad enough instead of made-up stories about false flags which undermine the credibility of those protesting against torture etc…
d) I have read Murder in Samarkand. I said that on my blog.
e) I think it is a terrible calumny against Muslims to believe that only those who react to events by blowing things up or rioting over cartoons or attempting to kill the person who made them are authentic Muslims.
f) I have put an email address in the comments box of my blog in response to an earlier request.
“I suppose appealing to the British personality is _very_ hard to do for outsiders, particularly boiler-rooms in the US. They don’t get irony, and above all, they don’t understand that British people don’t think it right to kick a perceived “loser” (or “looser”, as they would more often have it) when they seem to be down.”
Glenn, if you believe in those silly generalizations, you’re even more dumb than I thought.
It’s ALWAYS fun to hear the British say that Americans don’t understand irony – it’s such a simplistic and stupid statement that so many Brits allow to go unchallenged.