Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.
I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.
I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.
The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.
I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.
The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.
Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.
In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.
But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.
(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).
Vronsky: what questions?
“Vronsky: what questions?”
Posted by: Larry
Larry has spent at least half his time here asking people to repeat themselves.
It’s one of his time wasters/fillers.
That’s when he and the Soba are not telling people they’re fruitcakes — which, as an argument, wouldn’t pass muster in a high school debate.
Neither of them seems to realise that we, and anyone else reading here, are perfectly capable of making up our own minds about who is reasonable and who isn’t, who has answers and who hasn’t.
Clearly Soba and Larry don’t have enough answers. Only a religion, or a mission. Along with a propensity for throwing the word anti-semitic around, as if we don’t already know that it’s the most popular word on the internet. For obvious reasons: Like massacres of Palestinians and a vicious blockade of Gaza.
As for 9/11, they have failed and failed miserably.
Fantastic researcher,wonderful wordsmith.A supressed historian who was utterly unsupressable.Like Anthony Sutton,Mullins was “always persecuted but never prosecuted.”
The sheer breadth of his ouvre,the dark recesses of the history of elite domination he uncovered will inspire researchers who come after us.
Eustace Mullins defined the difference between official history paid for by the Rothschilds/Rockefellers and real history embarked upon by someone inspired by nothing more than his commom humanity with people around him.
Mullins was inspired to track down those who would debase and enslave us by the incarceration of Ezra Pound,his academic mentor.Like Captain A.H.M.Ramsay in England,Pound had been imprisoned for warning of the approaching apocalypse planned by elite bankers intent on propping up the international money system that fed and aggrandized them-by instigateing another world war.
Once Mulins discovered the elite plotters responsible he ran with the ball and simply refused to put it down again.His corpus fingers the Rothschild media monopoly,their sponsorship of Karl Marx and Israel,NWO financial systems like BCCI and BIS,the sheer fallacy of the elite-sponsored Left/Right paradigm,Congressional criminality,Fed financing of the Soviet economy and war machine,the Federal Reserve scam,the medical and legal trusts,the education monopoly,the predictability of 9/11,Chatham House and the Tavistock Institute,the secret history of the atom bomb,elite-sponsored agricultural depressions,mind control and the LSD culture,the drug monopoly,parasitic US foundations,Freud-you name it Mullins covered it.
Like all great researchers,Mullins came to his subject from a different discipline.Untrammeled by elite supervision his work,though shunned by publishers when he was alive,is now all over the internet.He certainly had the last laugh in this respect.
Mindless of Missouri,the angri dimwit,crab and the rest couldn’t hold a candle to this guy.To mix metaphors they’re not fit to lick Mullins’s
boots.They haven’t read anything by Mullins all they know is that Mullins exposed their sponsors.
He did more than that he laid them bare.
RIP Eustace.
Great tribute with links here:
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/
And here:
http://www.johnkaminski.info/
Steelback, are you blaming the Jews for LSD?
Larry: So you want solders to march into your house and eat your food?
Opponent: The Third Amendment isn’t even relevant anymore.
Someone else: He’s right, there haven’t been enemy soldiers on U.S. soil in 150 years, the possibility of it happening now is almost impossible ever since the creation of the National Guard.
Larry: So you want enemy soldiers sleeping in your bed?
Larry: What’s great about it?
Opponent: Red Son is brilliant because it’s a hypothetical story that asks a cool question: What if Superman landed in the Ukraine instead of Kansas?
Larry: If you lived in the Ukraine would you still think it was brilliant?
Steelback, you will decieve yourself a little if you think im a phoney, ive just been sticking to subjects which i find i can examine directly. Im no where near well read enough to deliberate this guy Mullins worldview, but dont rule much out of hand. I dont like nation/race even institution focused attributions, or rigid naratives, though i understand they might possibly sometimes be merited.
I think you should try to deliver your outlook as mildly and diplomaticaly as it allows, and consider that we are all imperfect and a least a little guilty of something. I dont think you are a phoney as was previously speculated.
Peace on.
Vronsky
I bow to your perspicacity!
Steel
You’re spot on re-Mullins.
Angri and the schmuck disinfo team hate Mullins like they hate Koestler.Both of these writers exposed the plot for world domination that spread east to enrol Khazarian “Jewry” in the plan for its fulfillment-before it spread west again with the Khazarian migrations.
angri and the gang are so dumb they probably have a list with Koestler and Mullins’s names on.As for actually reading a book themselves-well it’s patently obvious that’s never going to happen.
By the way Koestler,like many before him who had the courage to expose the said plot,was reported to have died in a double suicide with his wife in 1983.
An ex-communist who had started to write in his book The Ghost In The Machine about his work on the brain and mind control while at the UN was clearly becoming a liability to is former handlers.
Some believe the Koestlers took a Moschepoche hit.
Apostate,
Do you think you could move that discussion to Craig Murray’s latest thread?
I just love the fact that someone brought up the 3rd Amendment. I have no idea what the writer was trying for, but I’m not sure he does either.
I keep hearing that about the Pentagon’s awesome defences and the heavily militarized airspace over Manhattan but no one seems to want to explain what they mean.
Yes, well I have reread the thread again in full. It seems to be a cast iron fact that 9/11 was an inside job. Furthermore, it is blindingly obvious that Larry and Angrysoba are a pair of deluded loons. I would advise anyone to simply ignore their unhinged comments and focus on some of the intelligent and reasoned arguments that have been aired on this thread.
Jaded, is Craig Murray also a deluded loon for sharing our belief that 911 was not an inside job?
And why is it that the Stop the War Coalition wants nothing to do with trooferism?
http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/stop-the-war-coalition-conspiracy-groups-distraction-at-best-antisemitic-at-worst/6208/
These two kooks are some of the greatest fantasists I have ever encountered. They are incapable of presenting rational arguments and must be some of the biggest idiots that walk this earth. No one listen to these 9/11 Commission ‘Twoofers’. It is proven beyond doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.
These two kooks are some of the greatest fantasists I have ever encountered. They are incapable of presenting rational arguments and must be some of the biggest idiots that walk this earth. No one listen to these 9/11 Commission ‘Twoofers’. It is proven beyond doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.
Jaded, is Craig Murray also a deluded loon for sharing our belief that 911 was not an inside job? What about the antiwar movement?
Ha, Craig Murray is clearly focused on torture. You 911 Commission ‘Twoofers’ seem obsessed with the STWC. No one listen to these buffoons. They even make Murdock out of ‘The A-Team’ look rational.
Jaded, you seem to be of limited intelligence, but I’m sure your limited ability to understand the world does not preclude you from absorbing some of what Craig wrote above in the second paragraph.
You have just proven your lack of intelligence beyond any doubt, as it has clearly been proven that it was black ops that did it. No one listen to this deranged 911 Commission ‘Twoofer’ any more. He needs to be mentally liberated from his nutty viws.
Jaded, I’m just being rational, and you sound like a pathetic evolution denier. I met an evolution denier once; I defeated him on all grounds; he had not even considered the arguments against his claims; he ultimately retreated to a position of name-calling and non sequiturs. I’m just curious if you’ve looked at evolution denial – do you understand that you sound just like those sad people?
But then, I recall that you might be religious, so that might explain it.
Jaded: what’s the best piece of evidence that 911 was an inside job?
Yes, all you can do is throw around ad hominem abuse. You are one of the most deluded individuals I have ever encountered. Still, not something that would surprise me coming from a 9/11 Commission ‘Twoofer’.
Jaded: what’s the best piece of evidence that 911 was an inside job?
You…
Larry – get a life.
911 was, and is, a pre-planned operation involving the CIA, NSA, some duped followers of Islam (maybe) and the full knowledge of various insider groups within the corridors of power in the US Government.
Sacrificing a few thousand Americans is a small price to pay for the freedom it gave to the USA to attack and destroy wherever it wanted. Iraq first, maybe Iran next.
After all why should the accident of geography give the Arabs all the oil?
Keeping the crime a secret? Well destroying all the evidence and prepping the USA population by intense media brainwashing covers a lot – after that, you simply tell people that they are part of the rebuilding of USA world power and that God is on our side.
Most rednecks in the US would do the Governments bidding and never tell anyone, Why? Because its great to be ‘on the inside’.
Its a grand ego trip for your average ‘merkin.
Of course the UK govt. killed Kelly – he is only one of many.
Wake up. Thats what a government is voted in to do – TO KILL OR STOP ALL THAT ARENT WITH US.
Its only in the last 30 years that we had a crazy idea that the world had become a beautiful place – well that short-lived easy life has gone.
Welcome to the new world of madness – if you lived in the years from 1955 – 1975 as a healthy person you witnessed the best of the west.
Now its the beginning of the nasty times……
A bit more on your hero, Eustace Mullins. I knew the guy was a bit unhinged but, my God… he’s worse than I thought.
He was apparently an editor of both the American Free Press and the Barnes Review. (Both of these are unashamedly far-right anti-semitic and all-round racist white supremacist publications). He was a guest on the Political Cesspool, which is a radio show syndicated by Stormfront. A white supremacist neo-Nazi organization.
His book, the Biological Jew, was published by the Aryan League of America.
Are you seriously suggesting there is any debate about what kind of person Eustace Mullins was, Edo, Jaded, crab et. al?
Oh and BTW, there is no such thing as ‘democracy’, either.
And your alter ego Angrysoba of course. 😉
harry: “Most rednecks in the US would do the Governments bidding and never tell anyone, Why? Because its great to be ‘on the inside’.
Its a grand ego trip for your average ‘merkin.”
Actually, the crazy Bibles, bullets and bunkers American rednecks you are talking about happen to be on your side.
“Of course the UK govt. killed Kelly – he is only one of many.”
Don’t tell me… they also killed Robin Cook, Mo Mowlam, John Smith, Tony Banks etc…etc… right?
“Wake up. Thats what a government is voted in to do – TO KILL OR STOP ALL THAT ARENT WITH US.
Its only in the last 30 years that we had a crazy idea that the world had become a beautiful place – well that short-lived easy life has gone.
Welcome to the new world of madness – if you lived in the years from 1955 – 1975 as a healthy person you witnessed the best of the west.
Now its the beginning of the nasty times……”
All you conspiracy nuts get all gooey-knickered about the idea there will be a mass chacotic meltdown of civilization.
I hope you’re stocking up on gold and I hope you’ve built your bunker out in the wilderness.
“Oh and BTW, there is no such thing as ‘democracy’, either.”
Harry, you’re so profound!
There may well not be such thing as a perfectly-implemented democracy but there certainly are places where there is a system of government that is far better than others to live under.
You are being utterly fatuous if you are saying that living in Britain is no different to living in North Korea or that living in the United States is no better than living in Iran or that living in Japan is no better than living in Burma.
But Harry, what is your evidence for saying 9/11 was an inside job?