The 9/11 Post 11807


Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.

I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.

I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.

The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.

I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.

The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.

Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.

In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.

But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.

(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).


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  • Suhayl Saadi

    I think Steelback has made a very astute point in the past two posts. All too often, the society of the spectacle is now our (for many of us) our unquestionable, perceived, constructed ‘reality’. We need to throw spanners into the works, puncture the illusions, view matters from multiple planes (sorry for the pun).

  • Apostate

    angri hasn’t read much of anything nor has he spent much time thinking.

    Thus it comes as no surprise that he is utterly ignorant of the Jewish writers cited above.Just how angri comes to believe that he can continue to participate in the discussion with such glaring chasms in his personal store of knowledge remains unclear!

    angri,Larry et al’s resort to the anti-semite charge from the outset to try and silence anyone who criticizes the behaviour of Israel,the Lobby,or the powerful Jewish elites involved in NWO planning via the UN,IMF,WHO,RIIA,FRB and BoE shows they’ve been on the backfoot from the get-go.

    The disinfo team have been trying to fight an amateurish rearguard action bereft of any real weapons with which to defend themselves.How else do we explain angri’s willingness to admit he’s never heard of prominent writers like Atzmon and Finkelstein.

    angri-Have you been living on some extra-terrestial plane recently colonized (with the help of Gentile armies,naturally)by the “Chosen Ones”?

    You seem so clueless as to earthly events this seems more than just a possibility!

    The Willards Hotel speech by Benjamin Freedman is a classic in which the speaker exposes the Khazarian phallic-worshipping origins of today’s Ashkenazi “Jews”,and the preposterous claims of Zionism to a state in the Holy Land.

    The Zionist claim to the Holy Land is,according to Freedman,as ludicrous as the idea of the 50m or so muslims in China claiming the right to a state in Arabia!

    What troubles people like angri et al is that from reading and listening to insiders like Freedman we might begin to wise up to the whole conspiracy that began when the word,”Jew” was first coined.Freedman makes the point that the very word is a fairly recent invention.It was borne of the plot to manipulate Anglo-American acquiesecence with the Khazar scheme to facilitate a land-grab by inflicting a forced exodus on the indigenous population of Palestine.

    What makes Freedman’s testimony so vital is that he is an NY Our Crowd insider,protege of Bernard Baruch,a Presidential adviser right up until his death in 1965.He speaks lucidly with a deal of black humour but he is deadly serious.

    His speech to a Washington military audience in 1974 extends his insights in the Willards speech.He describes how Rothschild Inc.banker and AJC head,Jacob Schiff,financed the Democratic Party at the beginning of the last century in order for it to become the party the banking cartel could dictate to on matters like the US policy toward Tsarist Russia,and who was to be next Democratic nominee for President.Schiff was later to finance both the Bolsheviks and Nazis.

    Party to the plot himself,as confidential assistant to Democrat Finance Committee boss,Henry Morganthau,Freedman relates how Wilson became the Lobby’s nominee.

    For Freedman Wilson was “a rascal who wasn’t worth the powder to blow him to Hell!” A most unlikely President “who didn’t know enough to come in out of the rain!”

    Wilson’s place in the White House was secured by the ruse of using a Schiff/Rothschild-financed “Bull Moose” Party fronted by Teddy Roosevelt,another tool of the Anglo-US banking cartel,to split the Republican vote.

    Samuel Untermeyer,another major player in the Lobby cabal,”had the goods on” Wilson and together with Colonel House,another Rothschild agent,they made sure Wilson became their “creature”,as House put it in a novelized version of these events,and did their bidding.

    What followed Wilson’s election was the setting up of the Fed central bank in 1913,US intervention in WW1 in 1917,and in WW2 in 1941-all engineered by the cabal described by Freedman.

    Oh,nearly forgot,the long Rothschild plan for a “Jewish” state in Palestine came to pass in 1948.

    No conspiracy there then!

    http://erichufschmid.net/TFC/Freedman1974speech.html

    Citing the testimony of anti-Zionist Jews like Freedman bears witness to the longevity of the deeply humanistic strain within World Jewry that will stand as a consistent source of reproach to the elite supremacist cabal

    that has manipulated both Gentiles and the Jewish “lesser brethren” over centuries-with such vast human consequences.

    Denying that such a moral stand is taken by many Jews worldwide is the real “anti-semitism”.

    Shame on angri,Larry and the elite-manipulated mindless morons who are the real “anti-semites”!

  • Freeborn

    Apostate

    That angri-led rearguard action you mention-methinks you just laid waste to it,mate!

    Another Jewish writer on the state of Israel is Jack Bernstein.It’s another book angri won’t have heard of,though it might be on his list for the Ziofascist incinerator!

    The title of his book The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel is self-explanatory of Bernstein’s perspective.But he is also insightful on such topics as Soviet duplicity in its dealings with the Arabs,the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967,and the Moschepoche crime syndicate.

    With his exposure of Ashkenazi supremacism and discrimination against Sephardim in Israel,Bernstein’s account is another taboo with Zionists.Bernstein also wrote a sequel,My Farewell to Israel:The Thorn in the Middle East.

    Again the title is a pretty clear indication of where he was coming from.

    So keen were the Zionists that you should not read him,the Mossad had him killed.Presumably this was their response to Bernstein’s challenge to debate the ADL on TV?

    We’ll never know.

    More stuff the Zionists don’t want you to know here:

    http://www.rense.com/general71/zzon.htm

  • Clark

    Angrysoba,

    Larry,

    I’d be interested to know your views on Israel, Zionism, and the influence of groups like Friends of Israel on UK/US foreign policy.

    Apostate,

    Steelback,

    Freeborn,

    Juniper,

    Tungsten,

    I agree with Suhayl Saadi, that you have raised important points about the illusions presented in the Mainstream Media. I also believe that supporters of the modern State of Israel wield disproportionate power within various governments and the Mainstream Media. I don’t discount conspiracy, but I don’t think its the main factor, either.

    Zionism is a subset within imperialism, and various imperialist objectives tend to support each other. For instance, arms manufacturers and economies with large arms manufacturing contributions always have an incentive to encourage conflict. Media sales are higher when there’s a war to report. I hope you can see how such interests converge.

    Regarding Angrysoba, Larry, etc, I think you would do better to ask them pertinent questions, rather than just dismissing them as the “Disinformation Crew”.

    I expect that you will call me an agent of disinformation for the following, but I have come to believe that posts under all five names above are from the same author. I’m talking about MY degree of respect for YOU here: if you wish to enhance the respect I hold for you, and thus your views, you should use a single identity honestly. I expect that other readers here feel the same.

    Angrysoba,

    Larry,

    I repeat, you are not off the hook with me. You keep shouting “Anti-semitism”; I want to know where you stand on the modern State of Israel, how it treats its neighbors and the various ethnic groups witin its citizens, its expansionism, and its influence upon world politics.

  • juniper

    Howdie Mr Superman Kent

    I reckon ‘stead a mixing me up with dem ‘spiricists by name a Freeborn,Steelback,Apostate and tungshen you oughtta check out where my man Larry gone.

    Iz still havin’ a fine time with his wife an’all but we gettin’ mighty worry ’bout where de Goddam he gone by now.

    I let you into a little secret from down here in Missouri.We all nose Larry workin’ for dem Moss Brothers an’dem Mishpucka B’nai B’rith ADL freemasons.If you ain’t worked it out yet thenna shame on you,boy,with alla’your educasion an’all!

    Larry an’crab,an’angri all dem guys allus go mighty quiet when dem ‘spiricists speak true ’bout Izreel.

    Ol’Jack Bernstein ussa livva roun’thissa ways fore he marry dat Iraqi sephardi gal an’wen’off ta Izreel.When he made dem charges agin’Izreel sayin’ it bein’ a racist apartheid supremacist state first off Larry and de boys kep real quiet hopin’ he gon shutta hisself up.Deys hopin’ dem charges don’ stick at all an get any kin’a traction wit ussa US taxpayers.

    When ol’Jack woun’ shut hisself well youz know wassa happen to him.And he by no means der only one who died cossa he fingered dem banksters an dare frens.

    My avice to you Massa Kent is jussa keep low cossa when Larry get mad ’bout somethin’ aint no tellin’ what he might do.Dem’s already threatening Massa Craig wid der ADL an’all!

    P.S.You see Larry-jussa say I ain’t never sayed anything at all.An’ he better remeber Iz still lookin’ affa hissa wife!

  • Clark

    Unlike you, I use my real name on the Internet, so you shouldn’t have mocked. You’ll never win listeners this way. Oh well.

    It’s 9:35 Sunday morning in St Louis; I expect Larry will be here later.

  • MJ

    Clark: great post. I too would be very interested to hear the response of the angrylarrys to your challenge.

  • tungsten

    Bit sad,Clark waiting around just for the air-head from Missouri to wake up and give us the benefit of his pearls of wisdom.LOL!

    juniper seems to be up and about already.For all his inarticulate ramblings that guy seems to know exactly how the Larry team works.When someone mentions the Moschepoche,the ADL,or B’rai B’rith they lie low because they don’t want any of us to work out the deeply criminal roots of the Zionist conspiracy.

    Their job is to make sure none of this stuff becomes public knowledge.As juniper says it’s not going to go down well with US taxpayers to discover that they have paid the price in blood and taxes over decades for all those wars that helped the state of Israel into existence,financed the wars for further extension of the state’s territory,and the latest wars of US aggression on its behalf.

    The parasitic dual-citizen cabal that has been buzzing round Washington through over a century’s worth of US administrations has,especially since the Meirsheimer and Walt book on the Lobby,become more than a sore point with millions of Americans.

    The sordid history of Zionism is beginning more and more to see the light of day.

    Perhaps Larry et al never mentioned that ADL was formed as a PR front for the branch of organized crime founded by Meyer Lansky under the patronage of leading establishment Anglo-US interests.Lansky was Mr Moschepoche himself and thoroughly intertwined with the Anglo-US banking and intelligence cartel.He ended up where they all do-in Israel!

    Check out bronfmanmafia.html @conspiracy archive while you’re waiting for Larry.

    On the identity crisis you seem to be having I can vouchsafe that although I’ve come across Freeborn on another blog,I don’t know Apostate or Steelback from Adam.And of course juniper lives in Missouri!

    Does that make 5?

    I think I can speak for the others when I say we are united in our distrust of official mainstream sources and to describe us as “conspiracy-minded” would probably not be unfair.

    We may resemble one person because, between you and me,researchers can spot eachother pretty quickly and we will instinctively follow eachother’s links.Even if they don’t work as some of Steelback’s notoriously don’t the other guys and I will root them out sooner/later.

    If you ventured further afield than this venerable blog of Craig’s you would know by now that conspiracy theorists have taken over the internet.To assume that one of us is the same guy is probably to grossly underestimate how many of us there actually are.

    I probably don’t need to point out that the people Larry and angri refer to as “nutters” and “conspiraloons” vastly outnumber themselves.

    One final point to note is that mainstream and gatekeeper sources are far more research-averse than conspiracists who research obsessively.When one posts a link the other knows another researcher will follow it to its ultimate conclusion.

    The links are certainly not meant to try and win the approbation or approval of those who rely on mainstream sources who will by reason of their research-aversion be unlikely to read them anyway.

    Hope this helps and doesn’t come over as “mocking”,like juniper sometimes does.

  • Steelback

    tungsten

    Who are you calling a conspiracy theorist?

    My links were being deleted for a while that’s hardly my fault is it?

    And do you really think I go to all the trouble of writing them down so people won’t bother reading them?

    Speak for yourself-you’re a bigger plagiarist than sodding Shakespeare!

    I see Apostate’s been turning the anti-semite jibe right back in the faces(have I spelt that right-shouldn’t it be “faeces”)of the disinfo.crew.

    Between just us both,I reckon he was in Willards that night when Freedman spoke!

    The Koshernostra’s done a bunk tonight-the PEACE is blissful and unheard of the long history of Zionism.

    They’re probably in Canada or Iran by now-so the next Zio-sponsored war’s just round the corner,I reckon.

    No links for you,from now on Mr T-you plagiarist!

  • angrysoba

    “You keep shouting “Anti-semitism”; I want to know where you stand on the modern State of Israel, how it treats its neighbors and the various ethnic groups witin its citizens, its expansionism, and its influence upon world politics.”

    I keep shouting anti-semitism because that is what is repeatedly being epoused. Much of the time, those commenters I accuse of anti-semitism don’t even bother hiding it. They are explicit about it.

    Now why must I give my views on the state of Israel in order to say that? What has identifying explicit Jew-hatred got to do with my view of Israel?

    Isn’t this the 9/11 thread? Why does it need to be further sidetracked by a discussion of the policies of Israel or some group calling itself the Friends of Israel who I have never heard of and have no interest in?

  • Freeborn

    tungsten

    You make conspiracists sound like bloody freemasons!You’ll be telling people we got a special secret handshake next!

    The research-averse mainstream is phobic re-even approaching conspiracy sites because they’re encouraged to believe that they’ll become obsessive,paranoid nuts whose lives and reputations will be utterly trashed.

    You just made those fears ten times worse,dude!

    For those who share this trepidation re-visiting 911 Truth or conspiracy sites generally you can break yourself in gently by checking out corporate 911 news reports as they originally aired- arhived here:

    http://CoreOfCorruption.com

    Also available on YouTube.

    Go on lose your virginity s.l.o.w.l.y.

    P.S.What goddam site you know me from,anyway?

  • Clark

    Angrysoba,

    most of us can see and assess “anti-semitism” for ourselves, thank you; you don’t need to point it out to us, or not for our benefit, anyway.

    (I placed “anti-semitism” in quotes, as various people have been using the term “semitic” to refer to certian peoples indigenous to the near and middle east. I have been using the term “anti-Jewish” to avoid confusion.)

    You can find out more about “Friends of Israel” with a quick Google. They seem to be very influential in the British government. Although you are in Japan, Angrysoba, you claim to be a British subject. Therefore I would expect you to be interested in this powerful lobby group within the British government, especially if it is influencing British foreign policy in a direction that provokes terrorism.

    We are NOT off-topic here. The US and UK governments knowingly used 911 to falsely justify an invasion of Iraq. They may well have been influenced to do so by Israel. Further, Osama bin Laden said that 911 type attacks would continue until there was justice for the Palestinians, amongst other things.

    Your move.

  • Edo

    Angrysoba….

    I brought up Eustace Mullins’ death, thats true. It was you who started the anti-semitic slurs straight off the bat.

    I think it’s only fair that you give us your views on Israel and Zionism, seeing as it was in part down to your comments we’re talking about this in the first pace.

    So, I’l ask Clark’s question one more time, “I’d be interested to know your views on Israel, Zionism, and the influence of groups like Friends of Israel on UK/US foreign policy.”

  • juniper

    angri

    You seen Larry? Them ‘spiricists Freebon,anna Steelback,an’dat guy name a tungsen outta Arizona bin layin’ waste yawl while you woza bed man.

    Ebody thought all youz gone upta Canada or Iran or somethin’.Massa Sunstein say they gon’use lotta agents provokers like yawl roun’them two places.

    You ana Larry oughtta jussa cut yo’losses now cos all dem Brits gonna bed now anyways.You might jussaswell have a conversation witha yorsel’

    Tell Larry me and hiz ol’lady doin’jussa fine.We listenin’ one your ol’records jus’now in fact.Some guy call Jean Pitney-he some kinda faggot or sumtin’? Heza singin’ 24 hours from tungsen…Iz mighty fine song Massa angri!

  • angrysoba

    “most of us can see and assess “anti-semitism” for ourselves, thank you; you don’t need to point it out to us”

    I disagree. Many people here simply can’t recognize blatant anti-semitism.

    “I placed “anti-semitism” in quotes, as various people have been using the term “semitic” to refer to certian peoples indigenous to the near and middle east. I have been using the term “anti-Jewish” to avoid confusion”

    Yes, well I’ll just use the term “Jew-hatred” if people are getting themselves willfully confused.

    “You can find out more about “Friends of Israel” with a quick Google. They seem to be very influential in the British government. Although you are in Japan, Angrysoba, you claim to be a British subject. Therefore I would expect you to be interested in this powerful lobby group within the British government, especially if it is influencing British foreign policy in a direction that provokes terrorism.”

    There are all kinds of lobby groups and interest groups. Why does the Israeli one exercise you the most?

    “We are NOT off-topic here. The US and UK governments knowingly used 911 to falsely justify an invasion of Iraq. They may well have been influenced to do so by Israel.”

    I don’t think so.

    ” Osama bin Laden said that 911 type attacks would continue until there was justice for the Palestinians, amongst other things.”

    If you think OBL cares about justice for the Palestinians and that his demands must be heeded on the strength that he demands them then you’re rather silly.

  • Clark

    Perhaps you could respond to my original questions before we tackle points arising from my need to reiterate them.

  • Clark

    Angrysoba,

    you have had more than two hours to answer my questions; it has been over an hour since your last evasion. Am I to assume that you do not wish to answer, because you support the State of Israel and its murderous, racist policies?

  • angrysoba

    Assume what you like Clark.

    Israel is clearly a hobby-horse of yours, not mine, and as such it was you that brought up the topic.

    Strangely you are doing exactly what so-called “anti-Zionists” such as yourself complain about. They get very upset when people mix up the topics of anti-semitism with criticism of Israel and say the two shouldn’t be confused. So, why did you bring Israel into a topic about anti-semitism?

    Also, anti-war protesters often get incensed about how 9/11 is brought into the conversation when Iraq is mentioned saying that the two have nothing to do with each other. You have played the same gambit by saying that the invasion of Iraq should come into a discussion of 9/11. Why? Because, you say, Israel was behind the scenes. Hmmmm…okay, Clark, whatever you say!

    I’m not at your beck and call, Clark and I don’t owe you my opinions on Israel. I don’t, for example, ask you if you were one of the morons carrying “We Are all Hizbollah, now!” or “We Are all Hamas, now!” placards when the “anti-Zionists” and their dim-witted “pacifist” buddies. So, you assume what you like. I’m not evading anything, I just won’t bite when you offer distractions.

  • Edo

    “I’m not evading anything, I just won’t bite when you offer distractions.” = Angrysoba.

    haha.

    Won’t. Bite.

    🙂

  • Clark

    Angrysoba,

    I am proud to have participated in the demonstration opposing “Operation Cast Lead”. You are perfectly entitled to ask me which placard I carried; if I remember correctly, it read “Free Palestine”; does that make me a “moron” in your opinion?

    Re: Iraq, retired Israeli general Brom:

    In an article in Strategic Assessment, a publication of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, Brom said weapons of mass destruction probably would not be found in significant quantities in Iraq.

    Brom told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday that “Israeli intelligence was a full partner with the United States and Britain in developing a false picture of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction capability.”

    He said Israeli intelligence “badly overestimated the Iraqi threat to Israel and reinforced the American and British belief that the weapons existed.”

    Brom said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. “Israel has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq,” he wrote, noting Saddam was an implacable enemy.

  • Clark

    Angrysoba,

    evidence, evidence. Plenty of evidence points towards Israel as a major destabilizing force in international politics.

    No, Angrysoba, you do not “owe” me your opinions on Israel, you do not owe me anything at all. But can you advertise your opinion with pride? It doesn’t seem so.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Clark,

    This thread is riddled with anti-Semitic racism and you want to change the debate to what Angrysoba thinks of the State of Israel. The thread was originally about 911, and, as this is Craig Murray’s site, the fantasy-prone Jew haters had to show up. Without condemning them, you’re quick to change the subject.

    Can you recognize extreme, intolerable racism when you see it? Do you understand the Holocaust occurred because of the virulent strain of anti-Jewish hatred that we see on this thread? You understand that 6 million Jews died because of this very strange hatred, right? And I don’t mean objections to what Israel does, or even objections to the existence of the State of Israel. I’m talking about people who need to hate other people, and early on in life pick out the Jews.

    You’ve been a bit coy, but it’s quite telling that you can easily gloss over such hatred.

  • Apostate

    angri,Larry

    You dingbats bleating re-anti-semitism again.The vast majority of World “Jewry” are Ashkenazi i.e.descendants of Turkic-Mongols who worshipped their own willies!

    Now we can fully understand you guys empathising with people of the willie persuasion but turning them into sacred idols who are above criticism is hero-worship not history.

    The next standard instrument of the Jewish supremacism that you espouse is the “Holocaust”-you conveniently forget all the Holocausts in which the Jews themselves enthusiastically participated in the Soviet Union and Turkey to name but two.

    The Jews have no right to any kind of sacrosanct monopoly on suffering.Nor does the Jewish Holocaust merit special ring-fencing to protect it from analysis and research as you “hate-speech” advocates pretend.

    Without its “anti-semitism” and Holocaust props the moral supremacy story used to justify Israel’s genocidal treatment of the Palestinians,all the wars,weaponry and false-flag terror used to sustain its wars against all its perceived enemies is exposed for what it is:a mythical nationalism manipulated by elites intent on world domination.

    Another message from that constituent of World Jewry that believes in truth above propaganda:

    “The Jewish community should expose 911 because the secret actions of a few Jews(and non-Jews)has put all Jews in jeopardy.Instead Jews stupidly implicate themselves by attacking truth-seekers.All 911 conspiracy deniers are accomplices in the cover-up.”

    Dr Henry Makow.

    So you willie-worshippers can take a hike!

  • tungsten

    Hey Apostle!

    Know what…Larry’s wife say he try an’ convert her to dat willie-worship thang!

    Now Larry gon an’ she wit me she don’ need any kin’a convertin’ t’all!

    No,sirree!

  • juniper

    Massa Tungsen

    Iz wid Larry’s wife now an’ain’t ’bout share her wid yer!

    Iffa catcha yer roun’thissa way agin Iz gown send yer back all der way to Tungsen,Arizona just as fast I can!

    Lassa ting Larry wan’ issa TWO guyz sharin’ hizza wife.Hell,no,he got ’nuff his plate since he an’ dem Izreel-firsters lost they job wid Massa Sunstein.

    You an’me better watch out when Larry get back from Canada on hissa bobsleigh.My,dares gon’ be summa kin’ sparks flyn’ roun,den,boy!

  • Apostate

    The more they get blown away with evidence and rational argument the more they bleat “anti-semitism”/Holocaust.

    Larry,angri and the Koshernostra got used over decades of corporate propaganda to holding the moral high ground.The “anti-semitism”/Holocaust fundamentalism narrative that underpins Israel’s nationalist mythology has now been brought under closer scrutiny.

    An aggregate of new circumstances has brought about a situation with which the disinformation propagandists are very uncomfortable.

    The corporate monopoly control of information is now,with the advent of the internet,free DVDs etc.,far less entrenched.Official corporate and Foundation-sponsored historical narratives are increasingly threatened by independent research and the proliferation of internet resources that facilitate it.

    Unsurprisingly it is the internet that is now under elite attack.The recourse to cyber-censorship in China and most recently New Zealand and the employment of disinformation teams like the hopeless Larry mob here have only made more people aware that the powers that be are losing the vice-like grip on the flow of information they formerly enjoyed.

    The imminent implosion of the international central banking system with its already apparent economic and human consequences is making the destinationless circularity of our history as a consequence of elite avarice and mismanagement all the more apparent.

    The corrupt elite that brought us the central banking debt enslavement scam along with the catastrophic wars that feed it-not to mention the state of Israel and the “War on Terror”-now falls back on the only weapons it knows to sustain its domination.

    (i)disinformation and propaganda

    (ii)false-flag terror

    (iii)repression and scientific dictatorship

    (iv)war

    Support any one of these and you’ll end up getting the other three as well.

  • tungsten

    Open source intelligence on the current terror threat hype is available at:

    http://mediamonarchy.blogspot.com/

    False-flag terror is often deliberately bungled too so look out for the infamous Bronfman-Rothschild-Rockefeller mafia “ballon d’essai”.The current hype is akin to the swine flu vaccination psy-op last year.

    The elite UN,WHO,RIIA cabal likes to try things out to gauge exactly to what extent the public is ready for their NWO and all the police state security measures it will entail.

    Don’t you just love being a guinea pig?

  • Clark

    Larry,

    Firstly, I remind you that my questions were addressed to YOU, as well as to Angrysoba. You have already missed one chance of answering.

    You wrote of me: “you want to change the debate to what Angrysoba thinks of the State of Israel”. No, I do not wish to “change the debate”; I wish to understand motivations.

    Yes, anti-Jewish comment irritates me also; it interferes with debate. But the matter of bias in the media has been raised, an example is linked via my name below.

    We are discussing conspiracy theories. I am interested in their origin. A biased Mainstream Media leads to distrust, which in turn fosters conspiracy theories.

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