Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.
I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.
I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.
The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.
I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.
The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.
Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.
In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.
But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.
(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).
Clark, your cheeks must be burning red as you read this!
Posted by: angrysoba
Don’t think so, angry. Trying to pretend that you’ve covered yourself in glory to the detriment of others here won’t work. People can read.
When did I suggest that I was a civil litigator or a criminal defense attorney? You really don’t know how the world works, do you?
Plus, commenting on some loony tunes blog is a bit different from a professional context. But I don’t imagine that you’ll understand that.
Hell,Larry-a lawyer?
He’d make ’bout the baddest,most dumb- ass lawyer in der state a Missouri!
I can jussa see him now wavin’ that virgin passapo’ longin’ ta Momed Atta up da noses da jury in dat 911 courtroom.
Larry be sayin’,”Yessa yo’honor Massa we got de’vidence right here yawl! Thissa der passapo’ Momed Atta whossa der 911 ringleader.Anna’now yawl betta fin’ Massa Atta anna der 18 accomplis GILTY on awl cownts mass murder!”
Dassa Larry’s dream since he wassa small bo’-dat he gonna makka name fo’ hissa’sel’ in da lo’ an’ gonna get to prosecu’ all our enemes.He dream alla’lon’ he gwine get speshal award offa da Queen offa Inglan’.
He wassa a mitey bit mif wenna ol’Jewliani gon’ get it in hissa sted!
Larry binna brown-nosin dem Mishpucka ADL anna B’nai B’rith so long an’alla he got wassa thissa job workin’ for Missa Sunstein.
‘Tween ebody here I don’ think nider Larry no’ angri,oilman,tecni or dat guy widda crabs got a brain tween’em bigga dan da size a walnut!
Dat team a Massa Sunstein got one hella way to go ‘fore dey gon take down Massa Craig,Ambasser to Kazaristan-no chance!
P.S.Issa still lookin’ affa Larry’s wife wile he away all da time.Lookin’ like Larry ain’t nefer gon’ get to taka hissa Lady to da Buck Palace now!
@chris, glasgow: “If you think a plane could penetrate a 1m thick RC core reactor building and cause an explosion then you need to go to uni and learn a little bit about structural engineering cause you don’t have a clue.”
No need to get tetchy with me, professor. I haven’t said that I thought a plane could penetrate ‘a 1m thick RC core reactor building’. I have simply referred you to notes that said the experts at NRC and at the 9/11 Commission saw a danger. Matter of fact, I don’t think a plane could bring down the WTC, as was, either. Nor do I believe there was any danger of an attack on Indian Point, for the reason Vronsky gave:
“And not Indian Point? Yes, it is obvious – spectacular, cinegenic damage does not require cutting off the nose to spite the face. A few thousand dead will do to start a war.”
Yo Juniper!
You still knocking back Larry’s gin?
If airhead Larry had a brain he’d have made a great Mishpucka lawyer.Like the ones mentioned here by ex-cop,Gary Wean:
Google Gary L Wean Meshpocheh.htm
It’s a great expose of the Mishpucka apparatus the angri disinfo team definitely would prefer you to leave well alone.Wean covers Meshpocheh women like Diana Feinstein who was exercised recently over the necessity for 911 “mastermind” K.Sheik Mohammed’s trial to be relocated away from NY.
The engagement of the disinfo team in the 911 money trail issue is curiously conspicuous by its absence.If you want to get to the bottom of the 911 atrocity you’d do well to follow the disinfo team absentometer.
If they won’t discuss it it registers high on the absentometer and it’s a sure sign you’re on to something!
Try out the corporate media absentometer too!
Thanks, hawley_jr!
“Don’t think so, angry. Trying to pretend that you’ve covered yourself in glory to the detriment of others here won’t work. People can read.”
“People can read”, says the Wren!
You can teach a wren to read but you can’t make her understand irony.
– Old Abkhazian proverb
“No need to get tetchy with me, professor.”
Conspiracy theorist gets petulant!
Hawley, just because Chris knows something that you don’t it doesn’t mean you should hold it against him.
Most conspiracy theorists – especially those who learnt physics reading reports from infowars about Steven Jones – should also try to learn that while skepticism about the “official line” is all well and good (and in fact exercised by the structural engineers who participated in the NIST engineering reports) it should also be applied to their own harebrained theories and shouldn’t be resented just because it comes from those who may know what they are talking about such as Chris or Frazer. To the contrary, if you are really interested in the truth (as opposed to the Troof!) you should welcome their insights more.
Juniper: “Larry binna brown-nosin dem Mishpucka ADL anna B’nai B’rith so long an’alla he got wassa thissa job workin’ for Missa Sunstein.”
I think if Juniper (and his sock-puppets), Clark, the Wren and the vast majority of commenters here got together and typed out a stream-of-consciousness paranoid rant then together they could come up with something that resembles the Hamas Charter:
“For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.”
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
In fact, that part is sometimes translated as:
“The enemies have been scheming for a long time, and they have
consolidated their schemes, in order to achieve what they they have
achieved. They took advantage of key-elements in unfolding events, and
accumulated a huge and influential material wealth which they put to the
service of implementing their dream. This wealth [permitted them to] take
over control of the world media such as news agencies, the press,
publication houses, broadcasting and the like. [They also used this]
wealth to stir revolutions in various parts of the globe in order to
fulfill their interests and pick the fruits. They stood behind the French
and the Communist Revolutions and behind most of the revolutions we hear
about here and there. They also used the money to establish clandestine
organizations which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy
societies and carry out Zionist interests. Such organizations are: the
Free Masons, Rotary Clubs, Lions Clubs, B’nai B’rith and the like. All of
them are destructive spying organizations. They also used the money to
take over control of the Imperialist states and made them colonize many
countries in order to exploit the wealth of those countries and spread
their corruption therein.”
It looks even more like Steelback-Juniper-Apostate-Tungsten prose now.
“…and carry out Zionist interests.”
Like you do here.
Let Norman Finkelstein tell you something of your masters, you who “don’t have many opinions on Israel” –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AtO_KGE-I
Oh, so you agree with the Hamas charter do you, hawley?
I can’t say it surprises me. It is one big Conspiraloon Charter with an oddly self-serving solution.
Have you read the Hamas Charter?
Do you agree with Norman?
“Do you agree with Norman?”
Hawley, I haven’t watched the video you sent and probably never will. So I don’t know what it is Norman Finkelstein said that you are asking if I am in agreement with?
Have you read the Hamas Charter?
“When did I suggest that I was a civil litigator or a criminal defense attorney?”–Larry
I don’t believe you’re any sort of lawyer, honey. 🙂
“Plus, commenting on some loony tunes blog is a bit different from a professional context.”
So you leave your brain in a basket when writing blog comments. I understand.
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“You can teach a wren to read but you can’t make her understand irony.”
Posted by: angrysoba
Omigod, I am mortally wounded.
I’ll have to change my handle to something intellectual. Like Biscuit. Or Noodle. And only use English.
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How this 32-year-old ‘angrysoba’ who is involved in “education” in Japan, and the other one, ‘Larry-the-lawyer’, can spend so much time here *desperate* to defend the official version of 9/11 is beyond me. So what drives them? They’re both making fools of themselves so I hope they’re well paid … or climbing some ranking ladder.
“Have you read the Hamas Charter?”–angrynoodle
heh heh, can we get to the crux of things now?
[I’m going off to watch the rugby. Have fun.]
“I’ll have to change my handle to something intellectual. Like Biscuit. Or Noodle. And only use English.”
?
“heh heh, can we get to the crux of things now?”
The crux of things is 9/11. Other people want to talk about Israel.
You want to express your amazement that anyone wants to continue on-topic and so your contributions are pointless.
“I’m going off to watch the rugby.”
Thanks for sharing.
Angrysoba,
Osama bin Laden wanted to talk about Palestine, and you can’t talk about Palestine without talking about Israel. Are Osama bin Laden’s views off-topic on this 911 thread? Er, only if you think he had nothing to do with 911, I suppose.
Come on, make sense.
Clark, you really need to educate yourself. I think there’s some amount of hope for you, which distinguishes you from the jihadis on this site.
Bin Laden didn’t focus on Israel until he figured out that there was a perception among the media and lefties in the West that that was his big gripe.
Bin Laden was quite offended by the presence of American soldiers and other soldiers on Saudi ground, especially since he offered to liberate Kuwait with is “Afghan Arabs.”
The genesis of bin Laden’s hatred was Sayyid Qutb, his ideological grandfather. Qutb, and everyone who followed Qutb, and bin Laden, have been far far more concerned with modernization in the Muslim world than they’ve been concerned with Israel.
If you think that Saudi Muslim terrorists really care about the Palestinians, you really need to learn more about the world.
You should start with the book The Looming Tower. It’s been out for a while.
Educate yourself.
6WTC
Kurt Sonnenfeld, the FEMA videographer filmed the sub-basement levels of WTC 6.
Sonnenfeld saw that the huge vault beneath WTC 6 had been emptied, most likely during the previous night. This information is essential to understanding the crater that was created in the U.S. Customs House (WTC 6) during the demolition of the South Tower. It appears to have been a tremendous blast that originated in the sublevel vault of WTC 6.
When the North Tower fell, the US Customs House (6WTC) was crushed and totally incinerated. Much of the underground levels beneath it were also destroyed. But there were voids. And it was into one of those voids, recently uncovered, that I descended with a special Task Force to investigate. It was there we found the security antechamber to the vault, badly damaged. At the far end of the security office was the wide steel door to the vault, a combination code keypad in the cinderblock wall beside it. But the wall was cracked and partially crumbled, and the door was sprung partially open. So we checked inside with our flashlights. Except for several rows of empty shelves, there was nothing in the vault but dust and debris. It had been emptied. Why was it empty? And when could it have been emptied?
6WTC was evacuated within twelve minutes after the first airplane struck the North Tower. The streets were immediately clogged with fire trucks, police cars and blocked traffic, and the vault was large enough, 15 meters by 15 meters by my estimate, to necessitate at least a big truck to carry out its contents. And after the towers fell and destroyed most of the parking level, a mission to recover the contents of the vault would have been impossible. The vault had to have been emptied before the attack.
Customs at first claimed that everything was destroyed. That the heat was so intense that everything in the evidence safe had been baked to ash. But some months later, they announced that they had broken up a huge Colombian narco-trafficking and money-laundering ring after miraculously recovering crucial evidence from the safe, including surveillance photos and heat-sensitive cassette tapes of monitored calls. And when they moved in to their new building at 1 Penn Plaza in Manhattan, they proudly hung on the lobby wall their Commissioner?s Citation Plaque and their big round US Customs Service ensign, also miraculously recovered, in pristine condition, from their crushed and cremated former office building at the World Trade Center.
7WTC
Kurt Sonnenfeld: What happened with Building 7 is incredibly suspicious. I have video that shows how curiously small the rubble pile was, and how the buildings to either side were untouched by Building Seven when it collapsed. It had not been hit by an airplane; it had suffered only minor injuries when the Twin Towers collapsed, and there were only small fires on a couple of floors. The collapse of Building 7 was hardly mentioned by the mainstream media and suspiciously ignored by the 911 Commission.
Kurt Sonnenfeld: The Secret Service, the Department of Defense, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Office of Emergency Management?s ?Crisis Center? occupied huge amounts of space there, spanning several floors of the building. Other federal agencies had offices there as well. After September 11, it was discovered that concealed within Building Seven was the largest clandestine domestic station of the Central Intelligence Agency outside of Washington DC, a base of operations from which to spy on diplomats of the United Nations and to conduct counterterrorism and counterintelligence missions.
There was no underground parking level at Seven World Trade Center. And there was no underground vault. Instead, the federal agencies at Building Seven stored their vehicles, documents and evidence in the building of their associates across the street. Beneath the plaza level of US Customs House (Building 6) was a large underground garage, separated off from the rest of the complex?s underground area and guarded under tight security. This was where the various government services parked their bomb-proofed cars and armored limousines, counterfeit taxi cabs and telephone company trucks used for undercover surveillance and covert operations, specialized vans and other vehicles.
Also within that secured parking area was access to the sub-level vault of Building 6.
6WTC
Kurt Sonnenfeld, the FEMA videographer filmed the sub-basement levels of WTC 6.
Sonnenfeld saw that the huge vault beneath WTC 6 had been emptied, most likely during the previous night. This information is essential to
understanding the crater that was created in the U.S. Customs House (WTC 6) during the demolition of the South Tower. It appears to have been a
tremendous blast that originated in the sublevel vault of WTC 6.
When the North Tower fell, the US Customs House (6WTC) was crushed and totally incinerated. Much of the underground levels beneath
it were also destroyed. But there were voids. And it was into one of those voids, recently uncovered, that I descended
with a special Task Force to investigate. It was there we found the security antechamber to the vault, badly damaged. At the far end of the security office was the wide steel door to the vault,
a combination code keypad in the cinderblock wall beside it. But the wall was cracked and partially crumbled, and the door was sprung partially open.
So we checked inside with our flashlights. Except for several rows of empty shelves, there was nothing in the vault
but dust and debris. It had been emptied. Why was it empty? And when could it have been emptied?
6WTC was evacuated within twelve minutes after the first airplane struck the North Tower. The streets were immediately clogged
with fire trucks, police cars and blocked traffic, and the vault was large enough, 15 meters by 15 meters by my estimate,
to necessitate at least a big truck to carry out its contents. And after the towers fell and destroyed most of the parking level,
a mission to recover the contents of the vault would have been impossible. The vault had to have been emptied before the attack.
Customs at first claimed that everything was destroyed. That the heat was so intense that everything in the evidence safe had been
baked to ash. But some months later, they announced that they had broken up a huge Colombian narco-trafficking and money-laundering ring
after miraculously recovering crucial evidence from the safe, including surveillance photos and heat-sensitive cassette tapes of monitored calls.
And when they moved in to their new building at 1 Penn Plaza in Manhattan, they proudly hung on the lobby wall their Commissioner?s Citation
Plaque and their big round US Customs Service ensign, also miraculously recovered, in pristine condition, from their crushed and cremated
former office building at the World Trade Center.
7WTC
Kurt Sonnenfeld: What happened with Building 7 is incredibly suspicious. I have video that shows how curiously small the rubble pile was,
and how the buildings to either side were untouched by Building Seven when it collapsed. It had not been hit by an airplane;
it had suffered only minor injuries when the Twin Towers collapsed, and there were only small fires on a couple of floors.
The collapse of Building 7 was hardly mentioned by the mainstream media and suspiciously ignored by the 911 Commission.
Kurt Sonnenfeld: The Secret Service, the Department of Defense, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service, the Securities and Exchange Commission
and the Office of Emergency Management?s ?Crisis Center? occupied huge amounts of space there, spanning several floors of the building. Other federal agencies had offices there as well.
After September 11, it was discovered that concealed within Building Seven was the largest clandestine domestic station of the Central Intelligence
Agency outside of Washington DC, a base of operations from which to spy on diplomats of the United Nations and to conduct counterterrorism and counterintelligence missions.
There was no underground parking level at Seven World Trade Center. And there was no underground vault.
Instead, the federal agencies at Building Seven stored their vehicles, documents and evidence in the building of their associates across the street.
Beneath the plaza level of US Customs House (Building 6) was a large underground garage, separated off from the rest of the complex?s underground
area and guarded under tight security. This was where the various government services parked their bomb-proofed cars and armored limousines,
counterfeit taxi cabs and telephone company trucks used for undercover surveillance and covert operations, specialized vans and other vehicles.
Also within that secured parking area was access to the sub-level vault of Building 6.
Just a few of the many anomalies in the indecently threadbare official 911 story that the Airhead Utd.disinfo team have yet to deal with:
If the evidence of your own eyes wasn’t enough anyway the thermite found in 911 debris proves it was a controlled demolition.Thermite having been pre-planted on every floor.
Parallel miltary exercises,drills.As during 7/7 these utterly disarmed and prevented the security apparatus from functioning.
Roles of Moschepoche,ADL,B’nai B’rith,Feinstein,Silverstein and Zakheim.
Role of Israel,Mossad.
Pentagon’s missing $trillions.
Bank of Nova Scotia’s missing $billions gold.
Accelerated removal all debris,evidence from crime scene.
Naudet film only one numerous examples foreknowledge 911.
The 911 Money Trail:including Termination Bergman research Fed money laundering for narcotics and terror.Surge in N1 currency notes issue in July,August 2001,especially $100 denomination.
Silverstein’s massive $4.55 billion insurance pay-out after 911.
BBC Jane Stanley’s report on WT7-a clincher for many of us.Indicates prior knowledge of major corporate media.Stanley’s ham-fisted defence later that the BBC had based their premature reports of the building’s collapse on Reuters!Reuters for those unaware is a Rothschild outfit.
Oral testimony late independent film-maker Aaron Russo on Rockefeller foreknowledge 911 attacks.
Forget about the Hamas Charter,the Holocaust,anti-semitism or any other diversion they run past you.
Larry and angri are the most inept disinfo team in the business.They are engaged in a patent distraction enterprise that seeks to cover up the glaringly obvious fact that 911 was a false flag terror attack.
They are the best recruiting sergeants the Truth Movement ever had!
Go on then make our day and clear up the above anomalies for us….we’re waiting-you bird-brained shysters!
LOL
It’s never going to happen…..
Hey Larry-you there?
Them spiricists binna callin yer gin.I dam well tell ya yo no clever ‘nough bandy wid dem educated Inglis people.Hell you tink “erudite” is da name a sum typa glue dey sell down Wallmart!
Massa Sunstein say yous gotta do lot mo reserch fo’yo bandy wid likes Goldin’, Steelback,anna Freebon.Dem guyz got da proper edacashion you ain’t got.An’dat angri anna crabs sure ain’t helpin’ yer nun ether!
Now get yosel’ home from dem Lympics afo’ you gone braka yo neck on dat slalem or sumtin’.
P.S.Me anna Massa Tungzon still enjoyin’ yo’lady.Only Massa Tung spen’ so much time onna dat laptop o’yos Iz gettin’ mucha better share o’her danna he iz!
P.P.S.Can you get Massa Sunstein getcha sum mo’ borbon we all dun finish ev’ting here ceptin’ yo’ gin?
Cheerz Larry!
Finally got a link on the Mishpucka that they keep mentioning on this thread.It’s Hilary Clinton’s notorious faupas at Rahm Emmanuel’s roast back in 2005.Obama was there too.It was a Koshernostra bash in Chicago so she thought she’d got away with it.
‘Fraid not:
http://mybigfatanti-zionistlife.blogspot.com/2009/08/hillary-clinton-said-mishpucka.html
I think I’ll boomark this site too-I just love the name:Zionism Stinks!
Larry,
the US / UK / Israel group (and other countries to a lesser extent) have done all manner of things to anger the whole Muslim world. Can you not see this? Look at foreign policy in the Middle East; deliberate destabilisation, a succession of puppet rulers, Israeli expansionism, using the Afghanis against the USSR, exploitation of resources especially hydrocarbons, arming and supporting corrupt dictators, the list goes on and on.
Larry, I just despair of you. If these conflicts are ever to be resolved, every side must take responsibility for their own wrongs, and be forgiving, understanding, of the reactions that they have provoked.
I hope that you DO want these conflicts resolved. Just what do you suggest?
“the US / UK / Israel group (and other countries to a lesser extent) have done all manner of things to anger the whole Muslim world. ”
Oh, bollocks!
Saying “allah” in a Christian church offends Islamists. Writing a fucking novel angers Islamists. Living in Mumbai, or going up the wrong mountain angers Islamists. Being a tourist in the wrong country angers Islmaists.
Have you read the Hamas Charter?
Have you read the Hamas Charter?
Posted by: angrysoba
Have you read the Hamas Charter?
Posted by: angrysoba
The crux of things is 9/11.
Posted by: angrysoba
Have you read the Hamas Charter?
Posted by: angrysoba
You’re doing great, noodle, keep it up.
The nebbish team finally admitted defeat!
Larry’s ADL pay check was late and he threw in the towel.Poor guy had so much tsoris and trouble at home with two guys making out with his wife since this thread started-he must have lost his mind.
What’s that…Larry never had a mind in the first place?
You’re probably not wrong on that one!
angri ought to get down to St Louis fast.It’s all his fault leading Larry astray.
I’ll bet Sunstein’s real sore about hiring a pair of kibitzing nebbishes like those two.
Angrysoba,
yes, I read the Hamas charter.
And?
I haven’t read the Hamas Charter, myself, but from your excitement about it I imagine it must be useful to “Zionist interests”. In other words, an excuse to delay peace, bash and cripple more Palestinians and steal more land.
But, then, that was probably Israel’s original intent in encouraging the founding of Hamas; and despite later claims that it was a ‘fatal error’, it still performs a useful function in assisting overall Israeli policy.
“So there?s plenty of evidence that the Israeli intelligence services, especially Shin Bet and the military occupation authorities, encouraged the growth of the Muslim Brotherhood and the founding of Hamas. There are many examples and incidents of that. But there were armed clashes, of course, on Palestinian university campuses in the ?70s and ?80s, where Hamas would attack P.L.O., PFLP, PDFLP and other groups, with clubs and chains. This was before guns became prominent in the Occupied Territories.
Even that, however ?” there?s a very interesting and unexplained incident. Yassin was arrested in 1983 by the Israelis. On search of his home, they found a large cache of weapons. This would have been a fairly explosive event, but for unexplained reasons, a year later Yassin was quietly released from prison. He said at the time that the guns were being stockpiled not to fight the Israeli occupation authorities, but to fight other Palestinian factions.
That and other incidents gave rise to ?” a number of diplomats and intelligence people who I interviewed, saying that there was plenty of reason to think that the Israelis were fostering the growth of Hamas. And, of course, Yasser Arafat himself, in a famous quote to a newspaper reporter a number of years ago, explicitly described Hamas as, quote, ?a creature of Israel.? And he said that he discussed this with Yitzhak Rabin during their Oslo process. And Rabin told Arafat that it was ?a fatal error? for the Israelis to have encouraged the growth of Hamas. The theory of it, of course, was that Hamas would be a force against Palestinian nationalism. And I think it?s clear that it ended up, to a shocking degree, backfiring against overall Israeli policy.”
http://www.williambowles.info/isrl-pal/2006/0106/hamas_israel.html
“Larry’s ADL pay check was late and he threw in the towel.”
Jesus Christ, I was out buying a house.