Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.
I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.
I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.
The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.
I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.
The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.
Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.
In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.
But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.
(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).
You answered two questions beginning with “Where” with the word “Nope”. You’re an idiot and a bore, Larry. And not very well educated. And as I sad, I’d spit on a Green Card. I have ten times your quality of life. G’night, honey.
Larry,
I’m sorry, insults don’t come naturally to me, but I’ll try to take your example, as I really wish to learn.
Larry, you fucking stupid moron, I asked you before, remember? I fucking asked you what the fuck should happen in the fucking middle east, and how we should stop all this fucking terrorism.
Please fucking tell me.
Am I fucking improving yet?
It’s quite amazing – breathtaking even – that so many commenters here are outraged by posts by Larry and me. Why aren’t they upset about the clear bigotry on offer from Steelback, Apostate, Juniper et al?
It’s simply not true that they are just being ignored. They aren’t!
“You are right, there can be no compromise. What do you hope happens next?”
I’m sorry, I don’t know how to fix the problem in the Middle East. If I did I’d get the Nobel Peace Prize (they’ve dished them out for far less).
I do not think supporting Hamas and turning a blind eye to their behaviour is the way to go, however. Nor do I think that obsessing over “The Lobby” is the way to go either.
I could offer one small idea. Buy Palestinian! Instead of insisting on not buying Israeli, which is the usual destructive “solution” the left in Britain promotes. How about buying Palestinian products and assisting its fledgling economy. Once people in Gaza realize that things are going much better in the West Bank where the politicians have at least a scintila of sanity they’ll hopefully kick Hamas out and they’ll be a chance of compromise. Then I think the ball will be in Israel’s court.
“a fucking building fell on it” – the “falling” builing, was 400 feet away!
Nuclear power stations are quite resilient to ariel attacks dont you know – due to a meter thick reinforced concrete wall, which is nice, tsk, someone read a report,education education..
Islamic terrorists attack us! Islamic crazy people hate books! You have to let us dicks fuck these… God bless our defensive clusters.
You are ignoring the holocaust deniers and the Jew blamers. Terrible Islam is to blame! oh bollocks.
moreon anon an on…
Many thanks Apostate for the voltairenet link to the Sonnenfeld interview. At last; some new evidence to chew over after all these years. The pics look very interesting.
Larry’s position I take it is that since Sonnenfeld was fitted up on a patently ludicrous murder charge, we must not take judicial notice of his photos and pretend they don’t exist. Does this kind of drivel really work in St Louis?
well flagged -a remarkable interview.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html
“How about buying Palestinian products”
Since illegal settlers have taken over most of the Palestinians’ arable land the only Palestinian harvesdts we’re likely to see are human organs.
“they’ll hopefully kick Hamas out and they’ll be a chance of compromise. Then I think the ball will be in Israel’s court”.
I thought the many UN resolutions requiring Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders were the compromise. The ball has been in Israel’s court for decades.
“well flagged -a remarkable interview.”
So now you idiots will believe anything a murderer will say. Those photographs prove nothing.
Who did he murder?
I’m tired of having to listen to the claims of Kurt Sonnenfeld the Murderer or Richard Gage the Failed Architect or Steven Jones the Mormon Apologist or Sean Fitzgerald the Murderer.
Here’s some good discussion of Sonnenfeld’s craziness:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=146399
Best comment on the thread:
“According to this guy the 9/11 conspirators let an uninitiated man roam free with a camera to document the aftermath of their crimes, and failed to kill or otherwise silence him afterward.
Yeah. That makes a whole lot of sense.”
“Since illegal settlers have taken over most of the Palestinians’ arable land the only Palestinian harvesdts we’re likely to see are human organs.”
Oh God! Here we go!
I suppose you believe the Israelis put the blood of Christian children in their Passover matzohs too don’t you?
Actually, I buy Taybeh beer. It’s very tasty. I recommend it.
http://www.taybehbeer.com/
“Here’s some good discussion of Sonnenfeld’s craziness:
http://forums.randi.org/”
No, thats just a bunch of dislocated randibots shit talking actualy.
Given -this is the best comment in the thread:
“According to this guy the 9/11 conspirators let an uninitiated man roam free with a camera to document the aftermath of their crimes…”
– He wasnt uninitiated, he was experienced and security cleared.
“…and failed to kill or otherwise silence him afterward.”
They failed to kill or silence him therefore he must be lying?(!)
“Yeah. That makes a whole lot of sense.”
ah, unqualified smartarsed sarcasm – !case closed in larrlyland
Crab posts this: “ah, unqualified smartarsed sarcasm – !”
And immediately follows it with this:
“case closed in larrlyland”
When Larry has to ask why the CIA and other agencies would blow themselves up you begin to realise the guy really is living with the fairies.
No-one is suggesting the CIA intended to be in WTC7 when it blew up you dickbrain!What is clear is that WTC7 was the nerve centre for the entire operation.
Like the debris and evidence at Ground Zero Sonnenfeld confirms as being removed as quickly as possible the evidence in WTC7 that would have nailed 911 as an inside job had also to be destroyed.
In the cited interview Sonnenfeld also describes the willed blindness to reality of those like the disinfo team here that insist in the teeth of the mountain of evidence accruing as we speak on the veracity of the official 911 story.
“Sometimes it seems to me that the “nuts” are those who hold to the truth of what they’ve been told with an almost religious fervour despite all the evidence to the contrary-the ones who won’t even consider that there was a conspiracy.”
Well we’d already worked out that with Larry,angri,techni we were dealing with people who are either clinically insane,educationally subnormal or a disinfo team-or all three!
For this hopeless shower of sad losers one piece of advice:far better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you’re stupid than to open it and leave not one shred of doubt.
LOL:You saps!
Larry,Massa Sunstein bin roun’ agin.He say you an angri broke evy rule wot dem taught at da ADL training school.
When someone say sumtin’ wot true you spose keep mighty quiet so not ta draw ‘tenshun to it.You done gone strayt in dare shoutin’ yo mouth bout how Massa Sonnenfeld hassa killd hissa wife anna he insane an’ all dat stuff. Massa Sunstein say you done blown da cover,man.
Yo startin’ smeerin’ da guy fore youz bin silent an Massa Sunstein say you izza finlly finish now.He don’ wan yer on da team no more.He jussa come roun’ with a pay check for you an’angri,an techni.
So Larry you brung all dis shame on yosel’ an all yer got left is dat Goddam string a cat-houses youz working fer Massa Silverstein.
Well Iz hope you jussa bout satisfy!
P.S.Me ana tungson well in wid yer wife an’alla frenz now.In fact we jussa openin’ uppa dem checks from Massa Sunstein.We be able get sumo’ Bobon now boy!
P.P.S.Ebody down hereabouts St Louis beleef yu rite ol’ weasel an ponce fer workin’ alla da vitoo outta da bodies our Chrishun gals lak yu doin’now.Yo’ mighty not welcome down here no mo’,boy!
Bye,bye,Larry!
“‘Comment of the thread’ – Vronsky’s”
–hawley_jr
LOL – Agreed – and juniper’s a hoot.
Mind you, I’ve learned a lot. And it wasn’t from AngryLarry. I may not be a fence-sitter much longer.
“juniper’s a hoot.”
No, Juniper’s an anti-semite.
“I’ve learned a lot.”
I’m sure you have.
“And it wasn’t from AngryLarry.”
Well, that’s a relief.
“I may not be a fence-sitter much longer.”
That’s also a relief. To the fence anyway.
copycat :p
“I may not be a fence-sitter much longer.”
Right, because the claims above are so compelling. Which one finally got you? That Mark Golding knows someone who saw bin Laden in a black helicopter buzzing around the WTC? That the JOoooooos did it? That someone said there are audible explosions in many videos, without providing a single video?
I can just imagine how you would react if you attended a talk on “why aliens exist” or “why the Holocaust didn’t happen.”
You really need to work on your skeptical faculties. Or just merely demand evidence.
In any event, we don’t care.
1,006 comments – hey-ho. What, are we trying to re-build the Tower of Babel? Forgive this little pebble.
“No-one is suggesting the CIA intended to be in WTC7 when it blew up you dickbrain!What is clear is that WTC7 was the nerve centre for the entire operation.”
Ever heard of a document shredder, dumbass? Or, more broadly, what evidence needed to be destroyed? Documents? Do you know how hard it is to ensure that there’s only one copy of any document?
Collapsing a building is not a way to get rid of evidence, moron. You don’t know what will or won’t be destroyed.
Check out the gathering momentum 911 Truth has gained in forcing the international corporate media to allow open and serious debate on the provenance of the atrocity over the last nine months.
This momentum is a product of all the independent expert research carried out in the succeeding years since the atrocity.Elizabeth Woodworth in her second piece on the phenomenon out today on globalresearch also finds it to be due to the devastating blow to the official account dealt by the Harrit study of last April.
Harrit found that nano-thermite of US military laboratory provenance had brought down the towers.
Woodworth also discusses other research findings that have forced the corporate media to give air-time and column space to the anomalies in the state-sanctioned 911 account.
The flight recorder boxes were bright orange and heat resistant and do not disappear in the wake of a crash.Though they can be made to officially vaporize!
The FBI has admitted that it has no proof that OBL was responsible.
While architectural engineers found 10 features of controlled demolition in the WTC collapses against 3 features of fire-caused destruction which were entirely absent.
Isn’t it about time the gullible plonkers who still credit the government story admitted that it bears no scrutiny whatever.I think the parallel universe that their contributions to this thread suggest they inhabit precludes the likelihood of their accepting this reality.
While they’re vainly trying to shore up a fictional edifice that is visibly crumbling into its own footprint before their very eyes it might be a good idea for the parasitic shills who currently infest the blog to prepare their reasons why we should support their plan to start WW3 by attacking Iran.
They may find that a harder sell than the one they so abjectly failed to find a buyer for here.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17624
Shit,Larry
Wotsa alla dis callin’me an antisemi?
You dun thrown dat one at ebody sins yu start wokin’ for dem Mishpucka ADL.If dey aint antisemis den deys ‘Caust-denials.
Well Iz gwine put yu strate,boy.Jussa cos we all mitey fed up wid all dem wars our boys fitein’ now for Izreel,an wid der Fed Reserve scam an’all,an all dat pornog anna cathouses yo’an’yo’Mishpuck runnin’….anna jussa cos me anna tungson atta all yer bacon ain’t yo got no rite call us antisemis!
P.S.Yu doin’ da worsest ting you can do prostitutin’alla dem good Chrishun gals likka yu doin’.
P.P.S.Ebody in St Louis jussa hate you now boy!
Does anyone really want to defend what “juniper” writes as funny? I realize that the British have a somewhat different approach to humor, but do you people entertain yourselves with the sort of thing that “juniper” is writing?
And it really does seem like he’s making fun of black people. I suppose that’s funny to the English.
Boom-boom-boom-boom!
Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
Basil Brush
Larry i havent heard you explain yet how a building fell on wtc7 when the nearest Tower was 400 feet away?
Please do explain.
Crab,
Did you happen to notice that the Towers were really, really tall?
You’ve been manipulated by not-so-clever right-wing Americans, who have cherry-picked the best video they can find to manipulate the gullible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1suwmOgBfNM
More on WTC 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rhY9c_iemA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60A86cg16KQ&feature=related
Larry, the towers where about 1350 feet tall. Wtc7 was 750 feet tall. So when you say “a fucking building” fell on top o f it, you are saying some of Wtc1 travelled over 400 feet sideways while “falling” downwards 600 feet.
The videos you posted are pointless, the first is a mood peice and the second is a 20 minute long softly spoken empty headed debunklet.
Neither vids show any sign of “a fucking building” haven fallen on wtc7.
-Naturaly because Wtc1 was 400 feet away!
geddit yet you nonsense yelling slowcoach?