Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.
I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.
I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.
The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.
I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.
The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.
Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.
In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.
But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.
(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).
As usual, you can’t dispute the content, Larry, so you sling mud. Juvenile.
I assume this is the quote on which you base your accusation of me being a liar:
“Mind you, I’ve learned a lot. And it wasn’t from AngryLarry. I may not be a fence-sitter much longer.”–dreoilin
Where do you get “liar”?
Maybe it was this one:
“I suspect the truth lies somewhere between the magic Arabs and an inside job. A plot that was hatched, and then aided and abetted, or deliberately allowed to come to fruition, probably by Cheney (that evil torture-loving so-and-so.)”–dreoilin
Was that where I “lied” Lar?
You claim to have been a fence-sitter, and then repeat (like an easily impressionable moron) the worst troofer lore. Anyone who’s looked into conspiracy nuts has seen it before.
Where did I lie, Larry.
And if you’re afraid to answer that, deal with the Flight Deck door. Otherwise, stop wasting everyone’s time.
The job of the larries is to waste everyone’s time, dreoilin. The sweatshop larries have been briefed in some detail on ‘9/11’ but are at sea on any other topic and so resort to hurling abuse. They are unable – they have not been authorised – to cogitate independently which is why they do not answer direct and simple questions.
Vronsky, with its big, iron, Hakluyt portals, Vauxhall imagines that its power is infinite, but the power of numbers is greater still.
You lied because you were a truther from the outset.
Kinda like the shill in the audience when a snake oil salesman is demonstrating his miracle cure.
But then, if you were finally convinced of 911 inside jobby job because of this thread, then you have all sort of other problems.
OK, dreoilin, I just clicked through that link you provided, and there is no evidence of anything.
Wow. Is that all it takes for you to believe something?
Once again you’re being manipulated by right-wing Americans. What a pathetic life you’ve had, for it to come to this.
Bullet-points, for the Afghan thread. That’s a bit lazy, larries. You’re supposed to transmute and ejaculate it through your own consciousness(es). How’s Vauxhall these days? D’you get to visit? Doubt it. Nice supermarket nearby though.
“The job of the larries is to waste everyone’s time, dreoilin”
–Suhayl Saadi
You’re right. I shouldn’t indulge him.
Surprised he hasn’t appeared on the Netanyahu thread yet – or hadn’t last time I was there.
“How’s Vauxhall these days?”
What’s that mean?
No answers, until I get an answer to my very simple question.
“Wow. Is that all it takes for you to believe something?”
What has it taken for you to believe the official account Larry? You still haven’t told us. What are the two best pieces of evidence in your view?
“there are only half as many even numbers as cardinal numbers”
Jeez. No brains, and no fucking education either. Those sets are the same size, as you can set up a one-to-one correspondence between their members. (I’d have inserted the word ‘obviously’ somewhere in there if I’d been talking to a Brit).
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/cardinal_number.html
Where is Professor Prostate?
The Huffington Post Bans 9/11 Truthers
The Huffington Post bans 9/11 Truthers, and equates them with birthers
(as if they are similar lunatics).
Additionally, for an article or blog to be published with 9/11 Truth references, it must be derisive in tone.
Realism: ?the birther movement includes . . . members of Congress?
(none of whom has been run out of town), ?while connection to the truther
movement can help cost [an] . . . obscure administration official his job.? Moreover, when it comes to the
Huffington Post, even commenting along those lines
(as a mere reader with a profile) will get you banned:
?More full disclosure: I despise 9/11 ?truther? conspiracies.
Indeed, one of the guidelines for bloggers on HuffPost is a ban on
posts putting forth those kinds of theories.
The 9/11 ?Truthers? are fringe-dwellers. . . .?
Thus, clearly, ?truthers? (who have volumes of credible information)
are relegated to the same level as ?birthers? (who have no logical
or remotely upstanding basis). Indeed, from Arianna Huffington herself,
there is a ?ban? on ?those kinds of theories? ?” since they are ?[despicable].?
It is then assumed that (the late Aaron Russo) Rosie O?Donnell,
Martin and Charlie Sheen, David Lynch, Ed Begley, Jr., Janeane Garofalo,
Ed Asner, Harry and Gina Belafonte, Woody Harrelson, James Cromwell,
Peter Coyote, James Brolin, Richard Linklater, and Rory O?Connor
(to name a few) would be considered ?fringe-dwellers? ?” thus,
not welcomed to blog or comment in relation to their theories on 9/11, or support of the truther movement
(in some specific areas). (Jesse Ventura: Confirmed.)
(Along other lines of stature, what about the celebrated, brave,
whistleblowing, former FBI agent Coleen Rowley? Are her relative views and stands prejudged as irrelevant,
zany antics?)
Further, beyond not being welcomed to posit, would it also be
rational to assume that, as far as Arianna Huffington and her
staff is concerned, Janeane Garofalo, for example, is just
another lunatic?
If so, my previous suggestion of a written debate between
Bob Cesca and David Ray Griffin (as a means of clarity)
will most likely never even receive consideration.
That?s sad, in various aspects ?” one being ?9/11 Truthers mainly base their cases of question,
and desire for an independent investigation, on scientific and documented evidence?;
?birthers? base theirs on none. (All of the latter, excluding updates,
was, of course, Rejected as a reply.)
Another aspect is one where, since Cesca is so vocal in equating
birthers
and truthers together as
?wackaloons,? shouldn?t he relish the opportunity of a supposedly
easy task of mopping the floor with Griffin ?” over facts?
Yes, and if he ever went into the written or in-person debate,
mopping would definitely take place, unexpectedly ?”
because, obviously unbeknownst to Cesca, Griffin is a
world away from the likes of Orly Taitz.
Van Jones Resigns, Backpedals, and Disavows
?QUESTION: . . . he was on an organizing committee for a 9/11 Truther march.
Your administration has been very active in knocking down
the so-called Birthers, . . .
who allege without any evidence, and despite all evidence to
the contrary, that the president was not born in the United States.
How can the administration tolerate somebody who subscribes to
a different insane conspiracy theory, as a senior adviser??
To again clarify significant extremes: Centered 9/11 Truthers
are all about ?evidence to the contrary? ?” but, of the official version ?”
where overwhelming facts in many areas/facets beg for more light.
Most of the 9/11 Commission, for instance, completely ignored
(WTC 7, eyewitness accounts, etc.)
or purposely obscured considerable ?evidence to the contrary? of
their predetermined results/goals.
As far as conspiracy theories, a
passage from Debunking 9/11 Debunking:
?Assuming that one of the two conspiracy theories about 9/11 is irrational,
because it is contradicted by the facts,
is it the official theory or the alternative theory??
In direct relation, and as a result of these ongoing
public floggings of Truthers, a ?30-percent open[-minded]?
visit to the web sites of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and 9/11
Scholars for Truth is recommended for substance ?” after,
or in combination with, a reading of The New Pearl Harbor.
Further, for those of the Spirit who ?fight the good fight?
in ultimately Just causes, a quote from David Ray Griffin?s
Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action:
?If 9/11 is not a religious issue, then I don?t know what is.?
Questions, History, and Stances:
?Inactivity? ?” Before 9/11
Paul Begala?s article, ?Mr. Cheney,
You Did Not Keep Us Safe? ended
with a time-line of ?inactivity? ?” Before 9/11. Response:
?Combined with all the ?coincidental? inactivity and seeming
indifference, which just happened to benefit the hijackers?
goals (such as the FBI?s quashing of reports from Phoenix,
Minneapolis, Chicago, and New York, and John O?Neill?s resignation
from the FBI over what he considered ?repeated obstruction of his
investigations into al-Qaeda,? etc.), there was also significant
?activity? ?” behind closed doors.
Qwest Communications (e.g.) was served with National Security Letters
(as were other tele-coms), before 9/11, in relation to a
(secret and illegal) Warrantless Surveillance program.
Many could wonder: with all the supposed apathy going on
previous to the planes striking their targets, what was the
?ticking time-bomb? scenario which led them to covertly bypass FISA ?”
well before they ever hit??
WTC (?Pull It?) 7
Exoteric: Without having been hit by a plane, WTC 7
was the third steel-frame building (on the same day)
in history to ?collapse,? totally (including core columns),
from fire damage ?” in a free-fall.
Senator John Kerry?s version
(as if it was common knowledge, and completely devoid of nefarious
implications): ?I do know that . . .
wall, I remember, was in danger ?”
and I think that they made a decision based on the danger that
it had of destroying other things,
that they did it in a Controlled Fashion.?
(Question: How believable is it that WTC 7 was planned and rigged
for demolition in under, say, five hours?)
So, which proposed Theories are credible? Esteemed ?alternative? researchers,
impartial scientists and engineers ?” or officials ?” purposely looking in,
and for, other ways?
As far as evidence, another passage from Debunking 9/11 Debunking:
?As Steven Jones has written: ?The likelihood of near-symmetrical
collapse of WTC 7 due to random fires . . . ?”
requiring as it does near-simultaneous failure of many support columns ?”
is infinitesimal.?
Yet, NIST?s ?Thermal Expansion? as a simple scientific wonder
was an ?official? explanation. What about Senator (?Controlled Fashion?) Kerry?
Overruled by NIST.
Still, if he was (bluntly) correct, and the reception by
unbiased peers on ?Thermal Expansion? has been pure, confirming mockery ?”
what would the cover for the revelation of Demolition be?
Unsurprisingly, they might come up with a statement like:
?Well, NIST did what they were directed to do.
But, now that this has come out (where, undeniably, we could not have set WTC 7 up ?” while it was burning),
our currently released position is one where we have been secretly rigging
buildings all over the U.S. ?” ahead of time ?” just in case it?s needed ?”
for many years.?
In turn, public recognition: ?How ?insane[ly]? convenient!?
Retort: ?Classified scenarios of such a volatile level were
(and to the greatest extent, remain) far beyond your ?need to know? status.?
Shoot, or Stand Down?
Norman Mineta: ?There was a young man who had come in and
said to the vice president,
?The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.?
And when it got down to,
?The plane is 10 miles out,? the young man also said to the vice president, ?Do the orders still stand??
And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said,
?Of course the orders still stand.
Have you heard anything to the contrary??? In context of the overall
situation ?” and a localized outcome (the Pentagon was hit),
what determination is more rational ?”
an order was given to Shoot Down, or Stand Down?
A Moderate?s View on The Truth of 9/11
?Surveillance/inside information led to Knowing It Was Coming.
Based on the latter, covert actions were implemented that would Enhance the Outcome.
Then, Standing Down (just long enough) during the occurrence
assured an expectation of success.?
Finally, though this blog post could go on (for at least)
another twelve pages just focusing on self-evident information,
the following statements are a (momentary) conclusion.
As an avid reader of the Huffington Post since its inception,
it has been intensely disillusioning to discover such absolute ludicrousness by way of shamefully
distorted associations and uninformed positions.
Howard Zinn, historian, author, and playwright, on
?The New Pearl Harbor? : ?[T]he most persuasive argument I have
seen for further investigation of the Bush administration?s relationship to that historic
and troubling event.?
By contrast, his likely take on the birthers:
?The most unsustainable, unconvincing, and unsupported-by-facts pile of Beckish rubbish ever
brought forth in relation to the Obama administration.?
In spite of blanketing assertions attempting to label
Truthers and birthers into the same box of ?insanity,?
they are not similar ?” to an extreme.
One side is completely blinded
(and manipulated like clueless sheep) ?” thus, irrespective of facts and shaded political realities.
The other is analytically grounded, critically aware of political
possibilities, and pushing forward with ultimate Reason.
Update:
A surprising admission:
?Some, but not all, of the left thought Bush had prior
knowledge of the September 11th attacks.
It?s a matter of record that he knew an attack might be
imminent based upon the famous PDB titled
?Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.?
So that one was partially true.?
Undoubtedly, Bob Cesca knows what doors are then opened ?” by invitation.
However, if one should step up and try to go (rationally)
within, he or she would be ridiculed as just another ?wackaloon.?
Is that objectively reasonable, or ?partially? acceptable?
Neither. Once an area of truth so astounding (and implicative)
is revealed, the naturally following exploration of
related questions ought to be welcomed ?” without denigration.
Update II:
Obama Confidant?s Spine-Chilling Proposal:
?In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a
truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government
employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-?independent? advocates to ?cognitively infiltrate?
online groups and websites ?”
as well as other activist groups ?” which advocate views that
Sunstein deems ?false conspiracy theories? about the Government.?
(Sunstein and Beck Fire Shots Across Our Bow)
Update III:
Mike Green was allowed to publish an article with
9/11 Truth references on the Huffington Post (03/07/2009)?
Unannounced changes? Progress? No. (Exploring the angle.)
h+t+t+p://seaclearly.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/the-huffington-post-bans-911-truthers-birthers/
w+w+w.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc
Mark, there are answers to all of those concerns. Start at the JREF.
Let’s hear them then Larry. While you’re about it why not humble us with the evidence that supports the official narrative and which you find so convincing.
As a result of a decision by a high court judge today that
President George W Bush’s warrantless wire-tapping by the NSA was and is illegal
(http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/us/01nsa.html),
I have posted the following statement to Congress:
It has to be said that the Obama administration?s
effort to keep shrouded in secrecy one of the most disputed
counterterrorism policies of former
President George W. Bush is very worrying.
Also the scientific discovery of explosive particles in
‘Ground Zero’ dust collected from four different locations by
American citizens who have signed a declaration that the contents
of the containers in which the dust was deposited was a true and legal
sample of material ejected when the
WTC towers fell, should be examined by government scientists and
their findings should be subject to legal proceedings in an
American court of law.
The scientific evidence proves that material was
discovered in residues that could not have been created by the
ordinary failure of a buildings infrastructure by fire.
Such man-made material could indicate illegal activities by
persons unknown in the destruction of 1WTC, 2WTC and 7WTC and that
NIST failed to complete a thorough investigation of building
failure in that tests for explosive substances were not adequately
and diligently performed or such tests were omitted in their
analysis and final report.
There are some quite extreme views here (link below) although of course (disclaimer) they’re not wrong just because they’re extreme. If nothing else, it’s a bit of fun to hear criticism of Chomsky from another expert in linguistics. WTF is it with linguistics? Should I have done that instead of maths?
In the main, it’s good to find someone else slapping their forehead and demanding to know why Chomsky – everyone’s hero – somehow can’t state the bleedin’ obvious.
https://sites.google.com/site/michaeldavidmorrissey/
My question remains unanswered.
Barbara Honegger, MS ?” Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School,
the Department of Defense’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university (1995 – present).
Graduate of the Naval War College master’s program in National Security Decision Making (2001).
Former White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981 – 1983).
Former Director of the Attorney General’s Anti-Discrimination Law Review, U.S. Department of Justice (1982 – 1983).
Author of the pioneering Irangate expose October Surprise (1989).
Author of the chapter “The Pentagon Attack Papers” included in The Terror Conspiracy: Deception,
9/11 and the Loss of Liberty by Jim Marrs (2006).
Contributing author to The Terror Conspiracy: Deception, 9/11 and the Loss of Liberty 9/6/06:
“The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11
to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures
of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11…
A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled,
high?’speed 280?’degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers
on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens.
Only a military aircraft,
not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the
“Friendly” signal needed to disable the Pentagon?s anti?’aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building.
Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its
Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system.”
http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf
Thank-you Barbara – I knew a military women with an honest heart would be first to break silence –
thank-you from a British veteran.
The brains behind the attacks on the World Trade Centre September 11th 2001
Isser Harel
Born a Russian, Isser Harel became Israel?s pre-eminent spy and founder of the infamous Mossad.
The fact that 9/11 was planned by the Mossad through the admittance of Isser Harel is well documented and appears in a book written by Michael Evans.
Larry Silverstein
Silverstein is a Jewish American businessman from New York. He obtained a 99 year lease on the entire World Trade Center complex on 24 July, 2001.
Larry Silverstein was awarded over $4.5 Billion in insurance money as a result of the destruction of his complex. Silverstein was personal friends with Zionist media maven Rupert Murdoch, and former Israeli president and indicted war criminal Ariel Sharon. Silverstein was such good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu that he would receive a phone call from him every single Sunday.
haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=97338&contrassID=3&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Frank Lowy
A Czechoslovakia born Jew, Lowy was the owner of Westfield America, one of the biggest shopping mall conglomerates in the world. Lowy leased the shopping concourse area called the Mall at the World Trade Center, made up of approximately 427,000 square feet of retail floor space.
Frank Lowy was a member of the Golani Brigade, and fought in the Israeli war of independence. Before this he was a member of Hagganah, a Jewish terrorist organization. Frank Lowy spends three months of the year at his home in Israel.
He funded and launched the Israeli Institute for National Strategy and Policy, which will ?operate within the framework of Tel Aviv University? in Israel. He is also close friends with many top Israeli officials such as Ehud Olmert, Ariel Sharon, Bibi Netanyahu, and Ehud Barak. He was also implicated in an Israeli Bank Scandal with Olmert.
crimesofzion.blogspot.com/2007/05/frank-lowy-zionism-and-911.html
abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1773614.htm
Lewis Eisenberg
This Jewish criminal personality was the head of the Port Authority of New York and authorized the lease transfer to his Zionist brethren Larry and Lowy, despite their bid being lower than that of Vornado Realty Trust, which pulled out after its failed attempt at negotiations with Eisenberg.
electronicintifada.net/v2/article3628.shtml
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Republican_Jewish_Coalition
crimesofzion.blogspot.com/2007/05/israel-lobby-in-america.html
Ronald Lauder
The billionaire Estee Laud
er Cosmetics magnate was the chairman of New York Governor George Pataki?s commission on privatization. He is the key individual who lobbied for the privatization of the World Trade Center complex.
panynj.gov/abouttheportauthority/presscenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=80
worldjewishcongress.org/meet/ny_070610/president.html
portal.idc.ac.il/en/schools/Government/HomePage/Pages/Homepage2.aspx
Jerome Hauer
Jerome Hauer was the managing director of Kroll Associates on 9/11. The company, known as ?the CIA of Wall street?, provided security for the World Trade Complex.
911review.org/Wget/winterpatriot/jerome-hauer.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Hauer#Family
Adam Gadahn
Jew named Adam Pearlman, and his grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League!
fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/gadahn_a.htm
Alvin K. Hellerstein
Hellerstein is a judge for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York and has been involved in several high-profile 9/11 related cases including consolidated master cases against three airlines, ICTS International NV and Pinkerton?s airport security firms, the World Trade Center owners, and Boeing Co., the aircraft manufacturer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Hellerstein#World_Trade_Center_cases
Michael Mukasey
This Orthodox Jewish judge presided over the first World Trade Center bombing case in 1993. After 9/11 the Mukasey litigation between Larry Silverstein and his insurance companies ensued. Instead of being charged with insurance fraud for the obvious demolition of all three World Trade Center Towers, Silverstein was awarded $4.6 billion.
nysun.com/new-york/as-judge-leaves-for-law-firm-his-legacy-is/36714
Sheila Birnbaum
Another key Jew involved in the cover-up of 9/11 is Sheila Birnbaum of Skaddan, Arps law firm. She was appointed ?special mediator?of the legal suits filed by the 3% of families who refused to be bought off by the Zionists. As of this writing, not one of these pending cases has made it to trial, thanks to her.
skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=45&bioID=10
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/03/13/the-911-victim-settlements-a-chat-with-skaddens-sheila-birnbaum/
Michael Chertoff
This man was the Assistant Attorney General on 9/11, and in charge of the Justice Department?s Criminal Division. Chertoff allowed over one hundred Israeli spies who were arrested prior to and on 9/11 to return to Israel on immigration violations.
Kenneth Feinberg
He personally administered the $7 billion victim?s compensation fund that persuaded 97% of the victims? families to take the money in exchange for renouncing their right to sue the 9/11 criminals. Today he is the ?pay czar?, in charge of TARP Executive Compensation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Feinberg#September_11_Victim_Compensation_Fund
Doug Zakheim
Zakheim was the CEO of System Planning Corporation from 1987-2001. SPC Corporation provided flight termination systems and command, technology that allows up to eight planes to be remotely controlled at the same time, from one operations center.
Zakheim was the Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon from 2001 to 2004. He is the man responsible for the disappearance of $2.6 TRILLION that went missing from Pentagon accounts. This scandal was first mentioned by Donald Rumsfeld on September 10th, 2001, only to be buried the very next day beneath 9/11?s rubble.
sysplan.com/
sysplan.com/Our%20Capabilities/Radar%20and%20Measurement%20Technology/Flight%20Termination%20System
cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml
Richard Perle
Nicknamed ?The Prince of Darkness?, Perle was Chairman of the Pentagon?s Defense Policy Board, and a member of PNAC, the Project for a New American Century. This group of ?neo-conservatives? was actually a Zionist organization.
Paul Wolfowitz
Wolfowitz was the Deputy Defense Secretary on 9/11, and a leading member of PNAC. He is widely regarded as the chief architect of the Iraq war.
Douglas Feith
As Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, Feith spearheaded two secretive groups at the Pentagon ?” the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group and the Office of Special Plans. The mission of both groups was to create propaganda claiming Saddam Hussein was developing WMDs, and that he was connected to Al Qaeda.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_%28magazine%29
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pnac#Open_letter_to_President_Clinton_on_Iraq
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Jerusalem
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foundation_for_Jewish_Studies&action=edit&redlink=1
Philip Zelikow
This Zionist Jew was appointed the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission. He is responsible for concocting the contrived fiction that was presented to us as the 9/11 Commission Report (i.e. official story).
Ari Fleischer
He served as White House Press Secretary for President Bush from January 2001, to July, 2003. In that capacity he helped sell the official story of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq to the American People.
In July 2003, Lewis ?Scooter? Libby, another Zionist Jew, illegally publicized Valery Plame as a known CIA
Benjamin Netanyahu: the Architect of 9/11
It is impossible to believe that Benjamin Netanyahu is not a central player in the September 11th attacks. He had intimate connections to Israeli intelligence, a close friendship with Larry Silverstein, and a shared ideology with the Jews in the Bush administration.
Technology & Logistics
Ptech Software Systems
Most national security computerized systems that would have responded to the 9/11 hijackings by scrambling jets were running on Ptech software. A list of Ptech clients includes the FAA, N.A.T.O, United States Armed Forces, and Congress. Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Justice, FBI, Customs, the IRS, the Secret Service, and the White House.
Zionist Jew Michael S. Goff was marketing manager at Ptech and also worked for Israeli database company Guardium (Director Amit Yoran); Guardium has been funded by Cedar Fund, Veritas Venture Partners, and StageOne, all Mossad funding outfits.
International Consultants on Targeted security
ICTS International, and their US subsidiary Huntleigh USA, are owned by Ezra Harel and Menachem Atzmon, both Israeli Jews. Most of the company?s employees are Israeli, and have close ties to the Mossad.
rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=89761
ZIM Integrated Shipping Services
ZIM is another front company owned and controlled by the Israeli government. The company vacated its 10,000 square feet office in the North WTC tower just one week before 9/11. Zim?s offices in the Trade center had been leased until the end of 2001 and the company lost $50,000 when it suddenly pulled out at the beginning of September.
FBI agent Michael Dick was investigating Israeli spying before and after 9/11. After he began looking at Zim?s suspicious move he was removed from his duties by the head of the Justice Department?s criminal division, Michael Chertoff. According to a non-official cover, (or N.O.C.), CIA source who worked closely with Dick, the Israeli movers moved in explosives when ZIM moved out.
rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=89761
careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2008/07/israeli-owned-shipping-company-moves.html
Odigo
Odigo was an Israeli owned company that operated an instant text messaging service. Odigo had a unique feature that allowed messages to pass through a search filter based on nationality, such as Israeli. Odigo admitted that two of its employees received instant messages warning of the impeding attack two hours prior to the first plane hitting the North Tower. Had this warning been passed on to authorities, thousands of lives could have been saved.
haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobi_Alexander#Criminal_charges
Sims metals Management
Alan D. Ratner?s Metals Management and the SIMS group were responsible for quickly scooping up the rubble from the towers and shipping it off to Asian smelters. Ratner made a handsome profit selling over 50,000 tons of crime scene evidence steel to a Chinese company at $120 per ton; Ratner had obtained them for $70 per ton. More research on this illegal destruction of crime scene evidence can be found here.
rediff.com/money/2002/jan/21wtc.htm
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Destruction_of_Evidence_from_Ground_Zero_at_the_World_Trade_Center&printable=yes&printable=yes
In late 2000 and throughout 2001, over 200 Israelis were arrested for suspected espionage. This was the largest spy-ring ever uncovered in the United States. These suspected spies targeted or penetrated Military bases, DEA, FBI, Secret Service, ATF, U.S. Customs, IRS, INS, EPA, Interior Dept., U.S. Marshal?s Service, various U.S. Attorneys Offices, Secret government offices, and unlisted private homes of law enforcement/intelligence officers.
Of the 90 or so detained Israelis there were five, now widely known as the ?dancing Israelis?, who were spotted in multiple locations filming, and celebrating the attacks.
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html?q=fiveisraelis.html
abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
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The Mural Van
One of the more bizarre events of the day came in the form of a mysterious white van parked a few blocks away from the twin towers on 6th and King Street, with a mural painted on the side that literally depicted a jetliner crashing into the twin towers and exploding.
infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm
youtube.com/watch?v=WRWQxlnZQj4
culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05/03/confirming-the-exploding-mural-van-coverup
transweb.sjsu.edu/mtiportal/research/publications/summary/0206.html
transweb.sjsu.edu/mtiportal/research/publications/summary/0206.html
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hundreds.html
Al Qaeda is Zionist Fiction
Ziad Jarrah and Mohammed Atta, the alleged 9/11 lead hijacker, making their martyrdom video just before 9/11, all the while laughing hysterically about it!
Ali Al Jarrah, Ziad Jarrah?s uncle, was recently discovered by Lebanese authorities to have been a Mossad Spy for 25 years!
public-action.com/911/sams.html
prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/020807tapesdoctored.htm
of course history of Oklahama bombing shows ample evidence of miscarriage of justice.
Anyone who agrees with the official story is an affront to people like Terrance Yeakey (officer) murdered because he knew otherwise….
Then there JFK, 7/7, Estonia Ferry incident, Tonikin Affair, USS Liberty
gLtdqS
More extremist right American nonsense.
Larry, man, are you on the bus?
Overview of New 9/11 Research
The impact of planes cannot have caused enough damage to bring the buildings down,
since the buildings were designed to withstand them (as Frank DeMartini,
the project manager, has observed),
the planes alleged to have hit were similar to those they were designed
to withstand, and the buildings continued to stand after
those impacts with negligible effects.
The melting point of steel at 2,800 degrees F is about 1,000 degrees
higher than the maximum burning temperature of jet-fuel-based fires, which
do not exceed 1,800 degrees under optimal conditions;
but the NIST examined 236 samples of steel and found that 233 had
not been exposed to temperatures above 500 degrees F and the
others not above 1200.
Underwriters Laboratory certified the steel in the buildings
up to 2,000 degrees F for three or four hours without any significant
effects, where these fires burned neither long enough or hot enough?”at
an average temperature of about 500 degrees for about one hour in
the South Tower and one and a
half in the North?”to weaken, much less melt.
If the steel had melted or weakened, then the affected floors
would have displayed completely different behavior, with some degree
of asymmetrical sagging and tilting, which would have been gradual and
slow, not the complete, abrupt and total demolition that was observed.
Which means the NIST cannot even explain the initiation of any
?collapse? sequence.
William Rodriguez, who was the senior custodian in the North Tower
and the last man to leave the building, has reported massive explosions
in the sub-basements that effected extensive destruction,
including the demolition of a fifty-ton hydraulic press and the ripping
of the skin off a fellow worker,
where they filled with water
that drained the sprinkler system.
Rodriguez observed that the explosion occurred prior to
reverberations from upper floors, a claim that has now been substantiated in a new study by
Craig Furlong and Gordon Ross, ?Seismic Proof:
9/11 Was an Inside Job,? demonstrating that these explosions actually
took place as much as 14 and 17 seconds before the presumptive airplane impacts.
Heavy-steel-construction buildings like the Twin Towers
are not generally capable of ?pancake collapse,? which normally occurs
only with concrete structures of ?lift slab? construction and could not
occur in redundant welded-steel buildings, such as the towers,
unless every supporting column were removed at the same time,
floor by floor, as Charles Pegelow,
a structural engineer, has observed.
The demolition of the two towers in about 10 seconds apiece is
very close to the speed of free fall with only air resistance, which
Judy Wood, Ph.D., formerly a professor of mechanical engineering, has
observed is an astounding result that would be impossible without
extremely powerful sources of energy. If they were collapsing,
they would have had to fall
through their points of greatest resistance.
Indeed, the towers are exploding from the top, not collapsing to
the ground, where their floors do not move, a phenomenon Wood has
likened to two gigantic trees turning to sawdust from the top down, which,
like the pulverization of the buildings, the government?s account cannot
possibly explain. There were no pancakes.
WTC-7 came down in a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM after
Larry Silverstein suggested the best thing to do might be to
?pull it,? displaying all the characteristics of classic
controlled demolitions: a complete, abrupt and total collapse into
its own footprint, where the floors are all falling at the same time,
yielding a stack of pancakes
about 5 floors high.
The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a
100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands
44-feet above the ground; the debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: no wings,
no fuselage, no seats, no bodies,
no luggage, no tail! Not even the engines were recovered,
which means that the official account is not true.
The Pentagon?s own videotapes do not show a Boeing 757 hitting
the building, as even Bill O?Reilly admitted when one was shown on
?The O?Reilly Factor?; at 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long
as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been present and easily visible; it was not, which
means that the video evidence also contradicts the official
account.
The aerodynamics of flight would have made the official
trajectory?”flying at high speed barely above ground level?”physically impossible, because a Boeing 757
flying over 500 mph could not have
come closer than about 60 feet
of the ground, which means that the official account is not
even aerodynamically possible.
Data from a flight recorder provided to Pilots for 9/11 Truth by the
National Transportation Safety Board corresponds to a plane with a
different approach and altitude, which would have precluded its
hitting lampposts or even the building itself, which means that, if this data corresponds to a Boeing 757,
it would have flown over the
Pentagon rather than hit it.
If Flight 93 crashed into an abandoned mine shaft, as the
government maintains, then they should have brought out the heavy
equipment and the bright lights and dug and dug, 24/7,
in the hope that, by some miracle, someone might possibly
have survived. But nothing like that was done. Even the singed trees
and shrubs were trimmed, apparently to make it impossible to
subject them to chemical analysis.
There is more, especially about the alleged hijackers, including
that they were not competent to fly these planes and their names
are not on any original, authenticated passenger manifest. Several
have turned up alive and well and living in the Middle East.
The government has not even produced their tickets as evidence
that they were even aboard the aircraft they are alleged to have
hijacked. Did Osama call from a cave in Afghanistan and charge
them to his MasterCard?
President Bush recently acknowledged that Saddam Hussein
had nothing to do with 9/11. The Senate Intelligence Committee has
reported that Saddam was not in cahoots with Al Qaeda. And the FBI
has acknowledged that it has
?no hard evidence? to tie Osama to 9/11. If Saddam did not do it and Osama
did not do it, then who is responsible for the death of 3,000 citizens
that day?
We believe that it is the highest form of respect to those
who died on 9/11 and their survivors to establish how and why they died,
which our own government manifestly has not done. With the American media under the thumb of a corrupt
administration, we cannot count on the press to perform its
investigative function. But we can do our best to expose falsehoods
and reveal truths about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
email: [email protected]
http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/