Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.
I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.
I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.
The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.
I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.
The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.
Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.
In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.
But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.
(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).
Well…? I know you don’t want to talk to me, that you probably deeply despise everything that I represent, am and have done and that these facts long pre-dated my open challenge to you wrt state assethood, etc., and I understand that you may harbour ‘anger and resentment’ (as the cod-psychos say), but perhaps – without making assumptions – others would like to know.
Craig, maybe he’d like to know. Or Angrysoba. Or Eddie. Or Abe Rene. Or Michael Petek. Or Mark Golding. Who knows? It creates perspective for your statements. Hinterland. This is something which I explained to you several months ago.
Well…? Do you possess the courage to reveal something of yourself, Larry?
Come on, it’s not that difficult.
Silenzio. Nada. Nihilum.
“Arise! In the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost! I commandest thee to arise and reveal thyself!”
Beelzebub…? Psssssst! Are you there?
T. E. Lawrence, the venerable Sheikh of Amrika, come out, come out, wherever you are!
I was sleeping. And otherwise not on this site.
Should be using your time to help people with your medical training?
Larry, do you practise law in St Louis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETO3YfDKEI4
Yoo-hoo… Boo! Wake up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TWd3skb-Rw
Larry, you got narcolepsy or something?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcolepsy
Rip Van Winkle.
Sole, Luna e Talia. But where’s the hag?
Larry, what’s happened to you? have you been abducated by David Icke?
Do you, or do you not, practise law in St Louis?
Yes, or no.
No, or yes. A simple dualism.
“No, or yes. A simple dualism.”
Actually, it’s more complicated than that.
Why do you want to know?
Well, in what areas of law do you specialise – civil, criminal, corporate, a mixture. I don’t know how it works in the USA, there might be different categories. You’d mentioned once that you’d dealt with some immigration cases, for example.
You’ve also said a few things which belie – or at least nuance – your cartoon-flourish ‘image’ on here as a sort of centurion of empire. I’d really be interested in you expanding on those. You’d mentioned once that you didn’t agree with everything the USA did abroad, or words to that effect. So…
I’d like to know something about St Louis as a city and how you see yourself as part of the metropolis.
In other words, to some extent, I’m trying to initiate a civilised conversation.
But I’m also intrigued by ‘where you’re ‘coming from’, what factors in your life and work might contribute towards generating your ideas and points-of-view on things.
Yeah?
Doo-dee-doo-dee-dum, dum-dee-dum-dee-dum…
Yo-ho-ho, an’ a bottle of rum! Aye, ee’s a rum lad is ower Larry. A rum lad, an’ no mistake. The old ‘uns say the incoomin’ River Oomber can outrun a gallopin ‘orse. There’s more to that lad than meets the eye, mark you. Deep as the River ‘Oomber at Spring Tide, he is, mek no mistake. It’s the quiet woons you ‘av’ ta’ watch. Aye. Y’av’ ta watch the quiet woons.
Mrs Euphemia Revell Claxby, Lindsey, England, 1924
Tell me something about the complicated nature of your work, Larry. I like complex narratives. They’re more interesting, more replete with poetntial drama. Mrs Claxby wants to know as well.
Do you practise law in St Louis, Larry? Why are you afraid to answer the question, Larry? Don’t be afraid. We are watching over you. There is nothing to fear except fear itself.
The boogeyman is down the line. He hears, he sees, he knows. But he is asking the same question, Larry.
Secretion, hermeneusis. Fear. But why? I’d have thought a lawyer of such esteemed calibre would have had no hesitation in engaging in vigorous and spirited argumentation and would positively want to discourse on the subject(s) of his passion.
Yet… silence.
Do you just use such occasional ‘flourishes of moderation’ as rhetorical padding, for the purposes of leverage, to make it look as though your views are nuanced, when, in fact, they are not? Is that the reason you are unable to expand on them? Are you really an extremist, Larry?
An ‘extremist’ who practises law in St Louis? Is that you? Was that what you always were? Do you practise law in St Louis, Larry? Do you practise law at all? Are you really called, ‘Larry’?
These questions seem more mysterious than the aetiologies of King Kong in cinematic consciousness.
Perhaps you are really King Kong.
Or Hong Kong Fooey. Here’s a rap, to a slow, slow beat ‘n’ bass:
[Chorus, repeated twice]
Larry of St Louis
Hong Kong Fooey!
Ah say,
Larry of St Louise
Hong Kong Phooey!
Do you practise law
Or are you just a bore?
Are you one
Or are you many?
Are you light
Or are you heavy?
Are you heroin
Or are you cocaine?
Do you have a heart
Do you have a brain?
Are you mad
Or are you insane?
[Chorus, repeated four times]
Larry of St Louis
Hong Kong Phooey!
Ah say
Larry of St Louis
Hong Kong Phooey!
… except Hong Kong Phooey had a sense of humour. As did King Kong.
Hello darkness, my old friend
I’ve come to talk with you again…
Ah, thank goodness, Mark! But where is our friend, the lawyer from St Louis? Why is he so reticent to answer my simple question, when he’s very willing to inform us all that he’s just been on vacation to Seattle (sounds lovely)? Does he practise law in St Louis? Simple question. The answer doesn’t need to be complicated. Just, ‘yes’ or ‘no’, like in a courtroom drama.
Prosecuting Counsel: “Did you murder Miss Marple?”
Accused: “Well, it’s complicated…”
Judge: “Just answer yes or no.”
Mark, d’ye ken Larry?
Nay Suhayl but I proved he’s not from St Louis!
Explosive Evidence at WTC Cited by Former CDI Employee
Thursday, 24 June 2010 18:55
Having had the privilege of speaking with Tom Sullivan, an actual explosive-charge placement technician,
we have some new insights to pass along as to how controlled demolition works, where it started, and the effect
that 9/11 had on the demolition industry. Sullivan gained his experience as an employee of the leading
firm in this field, Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI).
Sullivan stresses though “I do not in anyway represent CDI and what I have to say is based on my own experience and training,”
Sullivan attended high school with Doug Loizeaux of the Loizeaux family.
The Loizeaux family, through the father Jack, independently started the whole controlled-demolition industry
and turned it into a highly profitable business. Sullivan, before he became connected to CDI,
was an independent photographer during his early years in Maryland.
He would be sent to CD sites and take still pictures of the jobs.
He became infatuated with the CD industry.
The time came when he would do both, being the placer of the “cutter charges” on the primary joints,
and photographing the jobs for promoting the business.
Soon he would switch to full-time employee status of CDI.
“It was very interesting, but also very hard work, long hours, especially in the cold weather,”
Sullivan reflects. He stated that the days began early, around 6 a.m., and they would work until the sun was
down.
Sullivan had the experience of preparing a building by placing the cutter charges throughout the primary joints,
and then, of course, watching it all come down.
Sullivan notes that many weeks are required to “prep,” or weaken the buildings before demolitions.
Steel frame buildings don’t just fall into their footprints at free-fall without major work throughout
the building ?” even some before the placement of explosives.
Sullivan emphasized as an aside, “Fire cannot bring down steel-framed high rises — period.”
One of Sullivan’s most exciting jobs was the colossal Kingdome in
whose reinforced concrete structure he personally placed hundreds of
deadly explosive charges.
Working for CDI was, Sullivan stated, “a very unique experience.”
He also said, “they were a close-knit family — referring to the familial values of the Loizeauxs.”
“I learned from watching,” said Sullivan.
“There is no school that will teach you this, just hands on hard work.”
Sullivan took hundreds of project photos, through which he developed
a deep passion for the trade.
When asked, what made CDI the best in the business, he commented,
“their family had all the experience because they ‘invented’ the art of
CD.
They spent years traveling around the world, showing and educating people how this art form
works.”
Unfortunately, the business came to a screeching halt after 9/11.
“People were scared — if they were to hear a loud bang it was probably some kind of terrorist attack,”
says Sullivan in frustration. “Fear took over and there was no more business.”
Even Mark Loizeaux (CDI’s President) has been quoted as saying 9/11 ruined him.
Sullivan had no choice but to leave CDI.
Curiously, CDI had a role in the WTC cleanup through a subcontract under Tully Construction.
On September 22, 2001, CDI submitted a 25-page “preliminary” document to
New York City’s Department of Design and Construction, a plan related to the removal and recycling of the
steel.[
The previous post was from an original interview by Darcy Wearing
and reproduced with courtesy
from Architect & Engineers for 911 Truth.
A total of 50 interviews are now ready to be transcribed.
If you can help with this work we will send you a DVD and you
reply with a .doc file.
Please advise us of your availability, Name & Postal address
(to send the DVD(s)) by email to:
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I’m still interested in the identity of this supposed friend of Loony from St. Larry, who’s head apparently showed up at ‘ground zero’. As with other vague offerings at an identity, St. Loony went all coy when asked to substantiate this even the least little bit.
Suhayl: I don’t believe anything St. Loony says is true, nothing he has ever claimed has any proof behind it. Although of course, I’m quite sure you know this full well, and I admire your tactics in revealing this. Our resident team of antagonists have abandoned anything except goading, probably with the intention of being thrown off this board, so they can crow about censorship and so on. CM was brave and clever not to do so, and to watch the team implode under their own hollow falseness.
Hence the new desperation – profanity and high-volume postings, anything to get the ban which is all that could be salvaged as even a claim to some feeble victory at this stage.
Yes, it seems so, Glenn.
`First report of a four part series on the arrest of Israeli spies in the United States and their possible link to the 9/11 events. These reports have already been removed from several web sites and blogs.`
http://tv.globalresearch.ca/content/israeli-spy-ring-part-1
” The Sept. 11 Records
A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, were made public on Aug. 12. The New York Times has published all of them.”
“The oral histories of dispatch transmissions are transcribed verbatim. They have have not been edited to omit coarse language.”
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html