Having been roundly defeated in the Court of Appeal, and with it now established beyond doubt that the UK knew that Binyam Mohammed was being tortured by the USA, Miliband has the massive effrontery to welcome the decision.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/feb/10/david-miliband-binyam-mohamed-statement
The truth about the government’s complicity in torture is becoming established beyond doubt. I am still shocked about the virtual media blackout on my own evidence to the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9spgagSHI
But am comforted that the forthcoming dramatisation of Murder in Samarkand with David Tennant will do more for popular understanding than dry evidence ever could.
We will never see justice, but I would strongly support the calls for a public inquiry into UK complicity with torture. Preferably of an inquisitorial kind; but even the cosy conversations of the Chilcot committee have thrown up some truth.
Indeed anon, the BBC do not seem too impartial in these matters. For instance, why did they need to frame the MI5 argument with the judicary with the word.. ‘MI5 Binyam claims ‘ludicrous lies”
These words give to those not following the details of the case, or willing to read the content, the impression that Binyam himself is making ‘ludicrous lies’ about all that has happened to him over the past few years. Which is the exact opposite of what the evidence has now proven.
I know it must be hard to compress an issue into so few words… but why give words which have the exact opposite meaning of the truth involved.
The BBC slides down from it’s once pinnacle of excellance into another bland ‘content’ server.
Tony,
I am confused; why did/do you have people parked outside your house with a laptop and then came/come in for a cup of tea?
Maybe they’re using Tony’s wi-fi. He embarrasses them by inviting them in.
Mark Golding – Re: Comment from tony_opmoc at February 12, 2010 6:52 PM. You ask Tony the question: “I am confused; why did/do you have people parked outside your house with a laptop”.
Perhaps I can help with a possible explanation, and I hope I am wrong. Tony asks some difficult questions and may have made a few enemies in the MI*s,etc.
If you examine the documentation attached to my wiki you will see a series of incidents that the police referred to as the “blue screen incidents.” This series included my being shot in the head by a pellet fired from a moving vehicle. One of the minor incidents in the series was a vehicle sitting outside my house apparently monitoring what was going on with a labtop. Its purpose is to give you the impression that you are under surveillance – which in itself is very intimidating to someone who is not used to it (if you are really under surveillance you actually never see the spooks). The campaign of zerzetsen against me started with my being followed around by vehicles and having vehicles parked outside my house clearly watching. Perhaps Tony is trying to stick it back in their faces by asking them in for a cup of tea. In my case I also tried that tactic, but when I approached the vehicles they would drive off. Since then the threats against me have moved onto a lot more as you can see on my wiki, but if I were Tony I would be concerned because that’s how it all started with me (with strange vehicles clearly watching my house). I hope I’m wrong.
I suspect there are people in white coats sitting outside his locked room, who occasionally pop in to dispense a few meds.
Just a guess…
‘Nurse Ratced’ , you should know from the film that ‘insane’ man who fought against authority was quite sane.
And Nurse Ratched got her come-uppance.
There’s something very very seriously wrong at the heart of British government when Kim Howells, Alan Johnson and David Milliband, all holders of high political office, are criticising the highest judiciary in the land using terms such as “conspiracy theory”, and accusing them of aiding terrorism.
This is unprecedented.
Are they trying to frighten the judiciary off?
And then we have Jonathan Evans, a civil servant, engaging in a similar criticism of the judiciary.
Is he trying to frighten the judiciary off?
What are they up to?
Do these people believe they are above the law?
We are either a society of laws, subject to independent judicial scrutiny or we are a state run by criminals and gangsters at their own whim.
There are quite a few questions to be asked and answered about what precisely has been going on during the Blair premiership.
Those who’ve been watching have had their suspicions, but it’s all beginning to look much much worse than anyone can ever have imagined.
Such a state of affairs cannot hold much longer, before there’s the inevitable breaking of ranks.
There are very interesting times ahead.
Yes Chris.
I know all that.
There’s much to criticise in the state of British political life today.
But that doesn’t mean that all criticism is valid, or even worth posting.
Some criticism just seems to distract from what’s really at stake, and indeed seems designed to undermine valid criticism.
Tony’s posts look much more designed to distract from, rather than focus on the serious questions government has to answer.
He’s a serial poster of things that are never quite to the point, clutters more important posts and in a style that is so bizarre as to easily be dismissed.
In short, his presence is one which detracts from rather than furthers the criticism.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised that some people would seek to undermine Craig’s blog in such a fashion.
Dreoilin,
Thank-you – I actually fell off my chair laughing.
Jon,
Sadly I have to agree, ‘it did not do anything’ but it has/will as people start focusing – I know, I know too much faith in human nature but the disgust over Iraq is huge and may have prevented an attack on Iran already. In Afghanistan we witness a ‘phantom blitz’ to drive the Taliban away with a 2nd phase of delivery to the Afghan people.
This is my ‘power of conscience’ words and images sink into the subconscious an affect action in ever growing numbers. You must believe, kinda poetic but very real.
The battle over torture has been won – here we can see evidence of our distaste manifesting itself into the ‘right’ decision. This is the beginning.
Roderick,
I hope so too!
And so we had heard reports and I texted the information I had found
But no one offered to take us there
So we went on the Bus
Into The DEPTHS
Our Son Offerred To Take Us There (He Doesn’t Drink and Drive) – But He had a Birthday Party To Go To so we just wanted him to have fun with kids his own age…
And so the bus turned up
And I thought
FFS why Don’t All Bands Do The Sound Check Like That…
You See I am a Bit of a Perfectionist
And so I said to The Lord who also turned up – who was also seriously impressed before they had even started the gig – based on the Sound Check
He said How Much?
He said O.K. – But You Only Talk To Me
So
There were a lot of seriously talented musicians there…
They Blew The Fucking Lot of Them Away
So I think it may be a Goer
He said No One Has Ever Heard of Them
I said it doesn’t matter
I have Never Seen This Pub So Busy
They will Take Their Fans With Them
So we missed the last bus home – and probably could have scrounged a lift home…
But She said NO
We will Queue Up at The Taxi Station Like Everyone Else…
So The Taxis Turned Up and Both The Taxi Drivers and The People In The Queue Talked To Each Other.
There was a Single Girl There Saying I want to go to xxxx
And The Cab Driver Said – Come On…And got a Couple of Couples To Go With Her
And So We All Got Driven Home To Our Doors For The Price of Only Slightly More Than The Bus Fare
And We All Talked To Each Other
And Exchanged Views About All The Different Bands and Different Venues That Were On This Weekend
Go By Bus and Talk
People are Really Nice
Tony
Yup.
Definately the tony_opmoc posts are generated spam designed to distract from serious posters who want to make important points, in the hope they lose interest.
If it wasn’t obvious before, it certainly is now.
I’m surprised that Craig allows this easy undermining of his blog comments.
But, it’s his blog.
I suspect he’s too busy, net illiterate or just plain lazy to tackle the issue.
In any event, it’s becoming much too boring to trawl through another of tony-opmoc’s tireome, tedious and irrelevant litany of postings to look for the real gems others post.
Sort it out Craig, or your spammers win!!
He ain’t really a Lord, in fact he’s only about 33 years old, – we met him down the local pub about 10 years ago, and he learnt to play guitar in our kitchen and learnt to sing by taking vocal lessons whilst driving to work
But in his younger days he was a rather good paint sprayer and worked for a company that supplied Pinewood Studios with the Sports Cars That James Bond’s and Other Stand Ins Used To Fuck Up On The First Take
But in a way He is the Lord of The Manor
Cos His Missus Works There and has Got The Job of Getting More Quality Bands On
You Don’t Find em on The Internet
You Have Actually Got To Get Off Your Arse And See Them
You May Find a Really Good Band Occasionally, Unless You Have Gor Loads of Mates Who Travel All Over The Place, and They Come Back and Say…
You Have Just Got To See This Band
So That is How it Is
The Depth of Quality and The Sheer Diversity and The Numbers of Brilliant Musicians….
Is Here – Where We Live
I Cannot Believe It is Better Anywhere Else In The World
No Way Is it Better
In New York
Or Los Angeles
Or Fucking Anywhere On This Planet
This Is LONDON
Tony
I agree with Nurse Ratched.
The disruption of a blog takes many forms. One, which at times seems to agree with the general consensus of the blog but then becomes quite bizarre is highly damaging. It’s quite noticeable that Tony’s posts have increased since the absence of the other detractors/intelligence operatives/Tim Spicer’s mates etc
I agree with Nurse Ratched.
The disruption of a blog takes many forms. One, which at times seems to agree with the general consensus of the blog but then becomes quite bizarre is highly damaging. It’s quite noticeable that Tony’s posts have increased since the absence of the other detractors/intelligence operatives/Tim Spicer’s mates etc
I think the critical point is that in all of this NuLabour crapoganda coming out, Craig’s evidence on torture and his appearance at the Foreign Affairs Committee have been completely ignored and airbrushed out of the record.
It’s just as Harold Pinter famously said in his Nobel Prize acceptance speech –
‘It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest.’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9spgagSHI
Opmoc bashers note that he made these seven videos of Craig’s appearance and of course you can always scroll down to avoid his posts. I have always thought that he gets carried away in the middle of the night either under the ‘fluence of alcohol or some other substance or perhaps he just has a rather unique mindset.
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-tyranny
Anarcho-tyranny
Samuel Francis argued that the problems of managerial state extend to issues of crime and justice. In 1992, he introduced the word “anarcho-tyranny” into the paleocon vocabulary. He once defined it this way: “we refuse to control real criminals (that’s the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that’s the tyranny).”
In one of his last essays, he explained the concept:
What we have in this country today, then, is both anarchy (the failure of the state to enforce the laws) and, at the same time, tyranny?”the enforcement of laws by the state for oppressive purposes; the criminalization of the law-abiding and innocent through exorbitant taxation, bureaucratic regulation, the invasion of privacy, and the engineering of social institutions, such as the family and local schools; the imposition of thought control through “sensitivity training” and multiculturalist curricula, “hate crime” laws, gun-control laws that punish or disarm otherwise law-abiding citizens but have no impact on violent criminals who get guns illegally, and a vast labyrinth of other measures. In a word, anarcho-tyranny.
Ruth, re. Tony O and substances of the mind, perhaps some ney (reed flute) would come in useful… calming, you know? Sorry you couldn’t make the London gig, btw – it went well – no worries, maybe next time; I’ll keep you posted. Hey, Tony, you like flute? Anon, are you a different person from anno? Not an anagram? Or an amalgam?
Anarcho-tyranny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-tyranny
That’s a perfect description of what’s going on in policing and state bureaucracy.
@ mary
You surely don’t seriously think Tony is sitting down typing his screeds of rubbish?
Isn’t it all cut’n paste?
At least you acknowledge the need to scroll down, much as you need to do with spam.
It serves only to undermine the more pointed comments and put off new visitors.
Anarcho-tyranny: another way to bash the word anarchy, via a man (Samuel T Francis) who clearly had no idea what it means, and who also railed against ‘miscegenation’ and immigration. Throw in a few cries for more folk music and you apparently have a political philosophy.
As a counter to the idea that anarchy always involves some kind of terrible consequence I suggest reading Anarchy & Order, by Herbert Reed. After that, see Anarchist Catalonia, if you haven’t read Orwell.
Otherwise, yes, tony cuts and pastes, sometimes the same post twice. He did, however, put Craig’s videos up.
“You surely don’t seriously think Tony is sitting down typing his screeds of rubbish? Isn’t it all cut’n paste?”
Somebody _else_ typed it, and tony_o just finds it and copies it ? Why would anybody else have any more reason to type it than he does ? I admit, I can’t see how it serves any constructive purpose except possibly for himself.
Someone was speculating about why Craig wasn’t dealing with all of this. Seems to me, he’s a busy man, got things to do. Spending all your time on the web, clicking each post ‘yes’ or ‘no’ as it comes in, would be a full-time job for a whole team, he’d be insane to take that on; he’d have no sleep and no life.
Personally, I’d like a techy-based solution that would let us decide we want to hide posts from certain people (I don’t know blog software, whether that’s possible). But he’s also said that not much can be done with the current software, and again, changing that to something else would probably be a large amount of work.
So maybe we just have to learn to cope.
And, yes, I can well imagine this isn’t always an appetising place for new people to drop in. People do seem to, though. And also drop out again.
Tony,
I understand your love of friends and your desire to talk to us as, well, friends and let us know your interactions with life – ie music and the problems you had with transport.
I like doing that as well, but, I find I get a much better understanding/reaction on Facebook, or Bebo or Twitter – have you/do you use these sites? Much better to talk generally there than here, this place, a focused board that collectively is trying to push forward an agenda or point initialised by our host, Craig, for the benefit/discussion (one hopes) and education/understanding of our readers.
@technicolour
You can bash Samuel Francis on many levels and you and I can both could agree and disagree on the same things he has written, but because all people have flaws does that mean that everything all people say is wrong.
If I say 1+1 = 2
but I also say 2+3 = 1
Does that make me wrong on everything?
I felt my quote is a good description of what is happening but not a solution. Be aware of the problem and then we may find a solution.
We all have flaws.
“Definitely the tony_opmoc posts are generated spam designed to distract from serious posters who want to make important points, in the hope they lose interest.”
I don’t believe this is the case at all. On many of his comments tony_opmoc has made his position perfectly clear, and it is in full sympathy with the position of Craig Murray and the majority of commenters.
Thankfully, this is an open blog where pretty well anyone can comment and everyone can choose for themselves what they wish to read.
@ technicolour
“Anarcho-tyranny: another way to bash the word anarchy, via a man (Samuel T Francis) who clearly had no idea what it means”
Don’t worry so much about the semantics. The man has described precisely what’s going on in Britain today, succinctly and accurately as follows:
“What we have in this country today, then, is both anarchy (the failure of the state to enforce the laws) and, at the same time, tyranny?”the enforcement of laws by the state for oppressive purposes; the criminalization of the law-abiding and innocent through exorbitant taxation, bureaucratic regulation, the invasion of privacy, and the engineering of social institutions, such as the family and local schools; the imposition of thought control through “sensitivity training” and multiculturalist curricula, “hate crime” laws, gun-control laws that punish or disarm otherwise law-abiding citizens but have no impact on violent criminals who get guns illegally, and a vast labyrinth of other measures. In a word, anarcho-tyranny.”
When I read UK stuff going on about the tyranny of gun-control laws, it just makes me think it’s an imported foreign rant.
Which, as somone already noted, doesn’t necessarily indicate anything about the other points; it just emphasises the need to think for ourselves obout what we read, even if it’s in quotes..
I would suggest that you read it as it applies.
There’s just much more thinking about the contempoaary world going on in the US than in Britain, in English anyway.
For gun control law you could probably substitute the issues we have with defending yourself from burglary or attack, of which there are many recent examples.
The key really is to get an overall feel for the thing.
It’s about the curious condition of an authoritarian society in which ordinary citizens are over policed and violent criminals are under policed.
The police officer who recently had his blog taken off the web pointed up the same issues but obviously without the overall structural contextualisation provided by Samuel T Francis.
Anarchy is not “the failure of the state to enforce the laws”. Anarchy, from the greek ‘anarkos’ – ‘without a ruler’ – posits that we do not need other people to tell us what to think and do. Naturally, Francis, who is trying to tell people what to think and do, would object to it. Oddly, even some self-declared anarchists like to tell other people what to think and do, too.
I notice in your cut & paste from wiki the reference to “thought-control through…multiculturalist curricula”. Are you happy with that bit?
Nurse_Rachet,
Interestingly ‘the invasion of privacy’ one of the points in your quote, was the most hotly debated subject on the abruptly ‘taken down’ WebCameron site (NB!!)
Even innocent browsing can or *IS* monitored by stealth, (the details of which will be exposed here shortly) after analysis.
Even the innocent ‘store card’ or ‘points card’ is analysed in ways you would not imagine ie where you were at a particular time. The issue of ID cards has not reached finality – only some technology (such as Iris scan centres) has been dropped as being too expensive.
Let us be clear, the government/establishment wants/needs to control us and to them, privacy is a barrier.
@ technicolour
I did suggest that you not be so concerned about the semantics. That’s not what it’s about. He’s not talking about Anarchy as a political philosopy. He’s using the term in a more general sense.
“I notice in your cut & paste from wiki the reference to “thought-control through…multiculturalist curricula”. Are you happy with that bit?”
I’m not at all happy with any form of thought control, from whatever source.
All of it ends in tyranny, even when the initial motivation seems positive.