Norway gives an example of a reasonable diplomatic reaction to the Israeli atrocity. The silence from the Lib-Con coalition is truly shocking and completely indefensible.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/05/31/norway-shocked-over-israels-attack/
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Aaah, so that’s where Regev gets it from.
if israel is so ready to murder internatiopnal peace acctivists think about what thewya re doing to the palestinians with uk and usa support.
hague is a disgrace no one would expect anything less of him with his mealy mouthed comments and lack of condemnation, but then we arent going to get it from cameron either a man who is so far up the israeli nether – lands to be a man who has anything to offer in terms of justice and honesty.
lets face it the uk govts are a disgrace and then they wonder why they hate us.
Lwtc247,
Israel’s actions anger me. Our experiences undoubtedly differ, and I expect that you have cause for keener anger than myself. Next, I will follow the link at your blog to the Global Boycott Divestment Sanctions Movement.
Try to appeal to as many as possible.
Thanks for mentioning BDS Clark. BDS is a very powerful act that really is the only bit of power we are able to exercise. Especially when contemporary politics is wondering in the wilderness for far longer than what Moses (peace be upon him) was.
The Global Boycott Divestment & Sanctions Movement, http://bdsmovement.net/ will be able to put you in touch with (reasonably)local groups to get involved in.
I plead with all to do something out this Zionist tyrannical anathema.
Lwtc247,
is there a ay to contact you privately via your blog? If not, see my link below.
Nick Cleggs loyalty lies with Israel, and not the British people in that ship.
Might seem an odd attitude right now but I think we should spare a thought for the average secular Israeli, of which there are many. Their military is obviously out of control, or barely under control, and has become accustomed to silencing dissent with violence and the threat of violence. It is only a matter of time before this becomes the norm within the State of Israel.
The IDF has bungled this badly, one line of the Israeli spokespeople is that the convoy was trying to provoke a reaction, as everyone knows, you do not rise to provocation, especially from a position of strength. When the dust settles here the Israelis will realise how incompetent the IDF is becoming, used to beating up on unarmed civilians they are unable to control situations without resorting to violence, and violence always spirals out of control.
Personally I think it is time to blockade Israel, and see if some time in isolation will help them sort out if they wish to define themselves by race, religion, a mixture of both, or whether they would like to join the 21st century and leave notions derived from prehistory behind.
If I was an Israeli I’d feel surrounded, not by hostile nations, but by armed idiots at home.
MrJohn
Those Good people in Israel you mentioned need to be liberated from the rule of those Zionists who not content with killing Palestinians in occupied territory have now decided to kill people from every nation, every religion in international waters.
What you call Israel needs to be reabsorbed in to a unified middle East, to save for the good of everyone, including the good people of Israel.
lwtc247 = Troll.
Craig’s perceptive remark, that this current lot – the ConLab coalition – are reacting to this latest, bloody crime perpetrated by Israel; in a style that’s virtually indistinguishable from that of the last lot, New Labour, when faced with Israeli crimes, hits the nail on the head.
This is because… there is no difference – not really. There is an apparent difference in tone and style, but the content, underneath the carefully contructed propaganda gloss, the same. In much the same way that the US has changed the face of the emperor, but not the character of the empire.
This is of course a depressing conclusion to come to, that, arguably, the type of ‘reform’ of the system that’s required cannot be achieved through the electoral system alone, but requires the mass, democratic mobilization of the population and their active participation in the political life of the nation, in ways that are defined, and feared, by the ruling elite, as being close to ‘revolutionary’ in content.
What’s needed is a mass movement similar to the revolutions in eastern europe during the collapse of communism. Of course one can argue that this doesn’t sound anyting close to reality of the UK at present. However, as it’s obvious that capitalism, in its current form, is collapsing in a way that’t similar to communism, maybe people won’t have much choice but to take to the streets an revolt.
According to the Guardian online, the IDF have released some footage taken from one of their copters, highlighting the actions of various members of crew and passengers on the Mavi Marmara. And the title of this cinematic masterpiece? – “Demonstrators use violence against Israeli Navy Soldiers”. Indeed. You can almost imagine a little sob at the end of that, a little catch in the throat, as if to say – ‘how could these terrible people be so horrible and violent towards our kind, considerate soldiers?’ For as we all know, the IDF is the epitome of grace and civilised behaviour, much admired around the world.
And in case lwtc247 doesn’t get it, that was satire. Look it up.
Mike Cobley,
thanks; do you have a link to save me searching?
Lwtc247,
thanks for your restraint.
Mrjohn,
A friend of mine who teaches the history of the Middle East, always starts his first year course by explaining that in order to understand the politics of the region one has to remember that Israel is effectively the 51st state of the United States.
This is highly polemical, but it does help to put things in an understandable perspective.
Israel is increasingly coming to resemble the rest of the dictatorships it’s surrounded by in the Middel East, not the shining beacon of ‘democracy’ the propaganda says it is.
Of course, for the occupied people of Palestine, whose country has been wiped off the map by Israel and the approximately four million Palestinians driven into excile and denied the right of return to their homes and the right to participate in the democratic process; the very concept of Israel as a functioning democracy is close to an insulting, vicious, and grotesque piece of farce that adds insult to injury.
Israel is firmly on a increasingly undemocratic trajectory, for all its people, not just the Palestinians, but Jews too who oppose the logic and methods of Zionism gone wild. Zionism gone wild is both a racist and brutally colonialist ideology at heart, and, as such is incompatible with democracy, as it sanctifies the dominance of one ethnic group over all others within the same political frame.
Zionism gone wild is also a form of insanity, national insanity, as Israel’s population, even inside the current borders of Israel proper, is composed of around 18% Palestinians with an extremely high birthrate, meaning that in a couple of decades they will be close to a majority iside Israel. What happens to the ‘dream’ of Israel as a Jewish state then? And what, in couple of decades, will Gaza, and the West Bank look like demographically? Their populations will have almost doubled. Will they still be under occupation or what? And what about the refugees? There will be well over ten million of them still in their refugee camps and still dreaming of returning to their ancestoral homes, which is their right under international law.
So Israel has a stark choice to make, which perceptive Israelis understand too well. Israel can choose to cling to the dangerous myths of Zionism gone wild, and all that this implies given the demographics of the region; or it can become a democracy for all its people; it cannot have both.
Unfortunately I think the right in Israel have made their choice. The only choice they can make, and that’s for a form of ‘final solution’ to the Palestinian problem and that means much more war and destruction.
During war a lot can happen. The plan is to drive the Palestinians out of Israel, one way or another, and at the same time smash the last of the opposition to Israel in the wider Middle East by launching a new war against Syria, Gaza, southern Lebanon, and last but not least… Iran. Then after this new, and final war, with all Israel’s enemies destroyed, a new age will dawn of perpetual peace in the region, a region firmly under Israli control… dream on!
FOI ~ All parties are guilty of membership. The following is interesting: http://www.redress.cc/stooges
mike cobley = idiot
Agreed writerman, sadly… agreed.
Will this badly misjudged Israel commando carnage in international waters make any difference to Western politicians’ and media nodding-dog support for Israel and America’s upcoming slaughter plans for Iran?
Anyone in any doubt should understand precisely the Israeli and US agenda for the Middle East. Death and Mayhem for anyone and everyone else.
Israel has been a fascist and apatheid state for years now, supported by the UK and US. Some people who contribute to this blog are slowly realizing that. How long will it take you to wake up?
doug
First they came for the Communists…
http://stefzucconi.blogspot.com/2010/05/latest-news-headlines-from-haaretz.html
This is dreadful.
I agree with Clark re. Mike Cobley and lwtc247 – guys, please do try to focus on attacking only the culprits in this situation rather than each other.
And British policy in Northern Ireland – the Uber-Zionist letter-writers always disingenuously try to use that chestnut as a shield against any criticism from anyone, even Irish Republicans, who hold a British passport, even (no, especially) when those people are attacking the actions or lack of them of the UK Govt in relation to the Israel/Palestine issue – has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel’s policy in relation to the Palestinians, nor with its tendency to kill foreign activists who support Palestinian human rights.
Nor should the Armenian (or European Jewish) genocide and Turkey’s oppression of the Kurds be used as excuses for Israel to do damn well what it wants anywhere, anytime, to anyone.
Nor should the situation in the DRC be used, nor the Rwandan genocide.
It’s deeply cynical; those Uber-Zionist letter-writers do not give tuppence about any of those conflicts; they just use this rhetorical tactic to disable criticism by tapping into European guilt for a thousand-plus years of Anti-Semitism. They use the corpses of European Jewry to build their own expansile militaristic colonial entity reliant on war. Shame on them! They view the Holocaust as a marketing-tool. Shame on them!
Israel has responsibility for its own actions and cannot duck that responsibility by spinning the globe and pointing the finger at every other situation of conflict.
I now expect a blog-invasion of Uber-Zionists and Neocons. Wait for it…
Good on you, Craig, for your courage and your actions.
‘Good on you, Craig, for your courage and your actions.’
Absolutely.
writerman I entirely agree with the following:
“What’s needed is a mass movement similar to the revolutions in eastern europe during the collapse of communism. Of course one can argue that this doesn’t sound anyting close to reality of the UK at present. However, as it’s obvious that capitalism, in its current form, is collapsing in a way that’t similar to communism, maybe people won’t have much choice but to take to the streets an revolt.”
Instead of words let’s get going!
‘However, as it’s obvious that capitalism, in its current form, is collapsing’
Fascism is capitalism in decay.
Suhayl – I’m with you on that, mate. As for lwtc, well….I’ve moved on.
“This is because… there is no difference – not really. There is an apparent difference in tone and style, but the content, underneath the carefully contructed propaganda gloss, the same.”
this is because there was regime change in all of the parties that resulted in pro war neo con advocates and who are wholly pro zionist.
so in truth the media and usa arent too bothered who wins our elections.
Who decides which parties are acceptable for the role of ‘government’?
Well, contrary to what most people seem to believe, it isn’t the electorate expressing themselves in a democratic election.
When governments ‘tire’ and seem to run out of steam, it’s because they have fulfilled their alloted role in their alloted timeframe, and have outlived their usefulness. It’s time for another lot to take over and strut around the stage for a bit.
Parties lose power and are replaced when the ‘market’ loses ‘confidence’ in them, then they suddenly begin to look ragged and tired, and seemingly everthing starts to go wrong for them.
The question of who exactly gave the ‘markets’ the power and authority to basically decide who rules the country and for how long, is another story.
“I now expect a blog-invasion of Uber-Zionists and Neocons. Wait for it…”
Still waiting, Suhayl? You really are a conspiracy nut like the rest of them. I think you also envision secret agent men actually caring what you think about the world.
Isn’t that a clever trick you have? Anyone who opposes your position must be part of the conspiracy.
writerman,
I believe the power that controls the UK emanates from the inner circles of the Privy Council. This power controls the intelligence services and the vast wealth they have accumulated from selling arms to embargoed countries, frauds etc. The government in power acts as the executive. When the government falls the obedient ministers get rewarded; maybe they’ll be given positions in companies controlled by the apparatus of hidden government.
The privy council was originally a committee of the monarch’s closest advisors to give confidential advice on affairs of state. Why should their role have changed? Why should governance of the state be left to any Tom, Dick or Harry? I believe the Reform Act of 1832 was passed to prevent the revolutionary fever seen in Europe from gaining a foothold in Britain and since then the illusion of democracy has been carefully crafted.
writerman,
I believe the power that controls the UK emanates from the inner circles of the Privy Council. This power controls the intelligence services and the vast wealth they have accumulated from selling arms to embargoed countries, frauds etc. The government in power acts as the executive. When the government falls the obedient ministers get rewarded; maybe they’ll be given positions in companies controlled by the apparatus of hidden government.
The privy council was originally a committee of the monarch’s closest advisors to give confidential advice on affairs of state. Why should their role have changed? Why should governance of the state be left to any Tom, Dick or Harry? I believe the Reform Act of 1832 was passed to prevent the revolutionary fever seen in Europe from gaining a foothold in Britain and since then the illusion of democracy has been carefully crafted.