You really do need to watch all of this video from the Christian Broadcasting Network:
A couple of years ago, while giving a lecture at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, I was astonished when a lecturer told me that half of his students would agree with the proposition that a war in the Middle East would lead to Armageddon, and that would be a good thing. In Ann Arbor, bot the Deep South.
The extent to which US support for Israel is driven by these christian violent religious extremists should not be underestimated. They are a major force in US politics.
The extraordinary thig is that violent religious extremists in both the US and Israel look forward to fighting sude by side against the forces of evil in the Last Battle in the Middle East, yet extremist jews and extremist christians each also believe that at the climax, when the world ends, their cherished allies will go to Hell with their enemies.
It is of course the American christians who are the most destructive violent religious extremists in the world.
Larry Crazy,
We are looking for an answer to “Who killed most innocent people based on their religious belief or using religious motivation?”
I’m not sure what disturbs me more, Craig ?” the video, or the idea that you have started watching Christian Loony Tunes…
If it wasn’t for their zeal for violence, private armies, Congress lobby and sheer voting power, the Christian Right would make a world-class comedy act. Let us hope that our governments finally find the courage to refuse to go on any more quasi-Biblical misadventures at their behest.
I’ve forwarded a link to some Ukrainian friends; I don’t believe they’re aware that they have been liwing ?” sorry, living ?” in a Muslim state. If anyone has friends in the area, I believe the Bulgarians likewise need to be enlightened, post haste…
Curiously, the countries depicted on the map roughly correspond to the territory held by the Ottoman Empire, circa 1580. So given what has happened since, some of the prophecy has almost come true ?” except for the bit about living in peace that is.
I think I was made a dhimmy the last time I visited Bahrain. This was immediately after I had chosen death, but spectacularly failed to kill myself in an Infidel exotic rental. Or was it “dummy”…? The Muslim hordes were laughing so hard, I couldn’t tell…
You don’t have to be a theologian to know that Jesus emphatically stated that His Kingdom was NOT of this world.
The Christian Zionist sects that teach re-the Second Coming and Armageddon are by and large financed and thoroughly infiltrated by Zionists and globalists.
Probably most people here haven’t even thought about the source of such deeply dangerous and pernicious teachings. No doubt you guys think it’s all cock-up theory-it just happens by accident.
Think again,dingbats!
http://watch.pair.com/discernment.html
Do some research on British Israelism too while you’re about it.
Come back and know something about the topic before you spout the usual horse-shite that covers this board when the topic is off the tabloid/corporate media radar!
“Who killed most innocent people based on their religious belief or using religious motivation?”
Could very well be Christians; I’m not sure when you want the body counting to begin.
But:
1) I’m not a Christian and
2) Muslims pose far more of a threat now.
When they found those explosives in that car in Times Square, did you suspect the Quakers? Did you even suspect people affiliated with Pat Robertson?
It seems odd that muslims in whose countries most of the world’s energy resources are located are barely represented in the system of global governance at all.
But it does perhaps explain why they and their religion are deemed fair game by people on this comment board and elsewhere.
Most of the Islamophobia here is stirred up by false-flag terrorism and the Zionist corporate media.
If the vitriol spewed forth against muslims were redirected towards the teachings found in Judaism and the Talmud the comments would soon be deleted as being “anti-semitic” or some such other psychological weapon from the Zionist arsenal would be used to screen it out.
Steelback: “Most of the Islamophobia here”
Boo hoo whine whine whine whine boo hoo.
Fuck your dumb religion, and your paranoia.
Larry (not from St Louis)
You really are backwards in coming forwards when you call Craig ‘unable to disseminate information properly’ and laughably call him stupid. I put this down to your blinkered lawyer training that seems to present you permanently in denial.
I learned many years ago about the unrest in Dearborn where about a third of the population are Arab descent Muslim. I know of a small group of students involved in a group which spent at least $67,000 on materials, airfare and lodging for Christian activists to visit Dearborn. Much of the material was produced using University Press facilities. Schools in Dearborn are targeted by Christian bigots armed with racist propaganda. We witness the hate literature and sermons spread by Acts 17 Apologetics working in Flint and targeting the job-seeking young men already harassed by US Army sergeants on the side-walks actively recruiting for the US Army.
We have heard the poisonous venom from the mouths of those including George Saieg who is “commanded as a Christian to deflect the sins of Islam” mingling with teens at Dearborn Festival.
Islam can coexist with Christianity well in Britain without the insults and provocation.
There is a problem to which you have decided to turn your back and cover your eyes unless of course you can turn a situation into litigation and line your pockets like all good lawyers do!
Steelback, here’s your false prophet:
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Yep, that’s a picture of him.
What are you going to do about it?
Also, what’s the penalty under Islam for being an apostate?
Larry from St. Louis:
If our Republican Party is dominated by religious maniacs, and gets us into disastrously mismanaged wars of revenge, and the Democratic Party is too cowardly to get out of them because the President is believed by many Christians to be a secret Moslem terrorist, then I’d say Christians have the blood of a million Iraqis on their hands.
We Christians are rich and powerful and can hide behind a superpower to commit our crimes, so that people like you can refuse to compare the millions we kill to the thousands that are killed by the Moslem non-state actors who resist our empire. Bill Maher was right – it takes far less courage for the average Christian nut in the Air Force to bomb an Afghan village using a robot plane than it does for a Moslem to go on a suicide mission. So in practice American Christians need to be far less fanatical to commit mass murder than Moslems – they can kill all kinds of Moslems by just paying their taxes and casting ballots. So there is no shortage of them.
Larry why generalise?
Is that your style, or are you late for some genital R&R of sorts.
When you throw all Muslims into one crackpot argument after the other, do you actually realise what America has started in Pakistan with its indiscriminate droning?
Fess up on some stats man, you are heavily unpopular there and New York was your wake up call, a reminder so to speak that you cannot press gang everyone into perpetuating the war on terror the way you want it, there will be times when the other cheek gets a good hit.
Just as Bhopal and BP’s disaster have shown how much the US can’t stand it up them, New Yorks failed attack was a warning to beware not to bend over too much.
Is there an argument to keep fundamentalist out of the public service, just as the BNP? Are they a danger to teach kids? or handle sensitive data?
If psychologists are worried about profiling possible future killers in deprived children, then that is clearly distracting from the real evil,i.e. indoctrinating children into fake religious practises at school, turning them into fundamentalists with blinkers.
This indoctrination forms the basis of terrorising religions and it is wrong for us to pretend that we want our children cared for and educated.
By sending them to faith schools and by allowing ever more obscure fundamentalists to run academies with next to no funding, we are handing over our children to religious, self centred nutters with a wish to self destructed, religious nutters who teach our kids to hate other religions by skewing history and facts.
Its enough to put you off your tea wouldn’t you say Larry?
super390, you’re historically illiterate, and I’m worn out trying to explain history to you.
Mark Golding, I’m trying to figure out where you copied and pasted that from. Wouldn’t be the first time you took text and claimed it as your own.
You don’t quite understand that Michigan is a big state. Also, U of M is quite a national university, drawing people from all over. So I’m not sure what a small group of Christians from who-knows-where who might have infested Dearborn have anything to do with students in Ann Arbor.
What is it with the British and their inability to figure out that 305 million people is A LOT OF PEOPLE?
What does this:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/09/christian_evangelists_target_d.html
have to do with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Of_Michigan
And stop it with the plagiarism. We have Google, you know.
Highly remiss of me to forget another glorious achievement of the christianists – the Inquisition, and putting to death millions of women throughout Europe, once Christianity had began it’s evil, blood-soaked march. Heretics, witches, wizzards, and other sundry ungodly types also met miserable deaths at the hands of True Believers in the service of the eternal loving mercy of the baby Jesus.
Much the same happened later in America – burning women to death was a popular hobby among Christians there too. The endless inventiveness and cruelty when it came to torture practices was surely divinely inspired. Tomas de Torquemada was – and is – a role model for christianists everywhere.
“putting to death millions of women throughout Europe”
Jesus Fucking Christ, can you get anything right? You just pull this shit out of your ass, don’t you, you fucking moron.
By the way Larry,
You ought to read Michael Scheuer’s book “Imperial Hubris”. Scheuer is a far-right Reaganite nut, but he is as knowledgeable as any gringo about bin Laden’s movement and motivations. He said that bin Laden acted out of a genuine belief that the West was destroying Islam, which for him is the destruction of his people. Also that bin Laden believed all he could do was act to inspire all Moslems to do their duty in their own lands to resist this conquest, which would take generations.
However, other comments OBL has made about the price of oil and the belief that the US would meet the fate of the USSR indicate that he was counting on his relatively small actions to provoke the US into disastrous wars that would cripple it. Well, we spent a trillion $ on the wars, and we can’t pay it back. America’s geographically strategic ally Turkey has seen its people reverse their genuine love of America, a real problem because Bush relied on Central Asian oil flowing thru Turkey to prevent Russia from using oil to blackmail the EU. Disgusted by Bush, Saudi Arabia has pursued a foreign policy more independent of the US, which was OBL’s specific dispute with the Saud monarchy. And Saudi is friendly to Turkey and to the main democratic opposition leader in nuclear Pakistan. Now democratic Turkey is becoming a beacon of hope for Arabs trapped under US-backed, Israeli-mandated tyrants. Iraq, meanwhile, opens up more and more fields to Chinese oil companies.
If OBL is really still alive, he can’t be dissatisfied with the size of his contribution.
Michael,
Well gee, you ought to tell the University of Michigan that I’m historically illiterate so that it can demand my Master’s Degree in World Politics back.
But you’ll probably be cheering for Sarah Palin for 2012 – from a safe overseas distance – so how much does historical literacy count in the most militarily powerful office on earth?
Larry (not from St Louis)
Crystal clear now Larry – the lawyer approach – never attack the meat of an argument if your armoury is weak; instead find some other excuse to weaken your opponents argument – anything will do eh? bad breath – fornication – abuse – ?
You are a fraud Larry, weak, childish and lacking stamina to present a half decent argument – go home – research David Swanson and expand your small world.
Interesting essay here:
http://nthposition.com/dethinyefyreadefence.php
quote:
It is here in this world without a personal god who can be shared that we find ourselves trapped in the nature of shared opinion. Each of is liable to be captured and brain-washed in mass hysteria by mobs enthused with religious doctrines, mobs that relieve us of the need to reflect on any question – political, social, or personal. As members of congregations and audiences we happily give up our freedom of thought for the comfort of conformity, becoming puppets controlled by ventriloquists.
/quote
…and the rapture was a Scottish idea, oddly enough.
http://www.apostasynow.com/topics/trib/pretrib08.html
Craig, what the hell has you watching the CBN?!? I have never seen such breathtakingly muddled tosh before.
Who the fuck is that illiterate Pat? He can’t write, can’t spell, points to Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria and calls them “in the Caucasian region” and “predominately muslim”. For fuck’s sake, the map still has Yugoslavia on it. He needs to take his LaTTeR DayS (sic) and shove ’em…
Eye opening, scary stuff. Thanks for the heads-up.
“Eye opening, scary stuff.”
No, this guy’s been around for years, occasionally popping up in the mainstream when a disaster happens to identify God or the devil as a culprit.
He was hawking a power shake recently. He’s irrelevant.
Mark Golding: what’s the meat of your argument? You identified a handful of Christian loons who traveled to Michigan from California to proselytize to Muslims. Rather sickening, but it really has nothing to do with the University of Michigan.
Also, you once again engaged in plagiarism – you used the thoughts of another as your own.
I’m puzzled why anyone is silly enough to keep addressing our resident tea-bagging True Believer troll, Loony from St. Larry. What the heck is up with you fools? Are you expecting some sort of admission from the troll, just because you’re rubbing facts in his face? Jesus! I’m granting the tea-bagger one reply a month, and frankly that’s too generous. Even talking about the foul-mouthed neo-con gives more credit than the troll deserves.
“You don’t have to be a Christian to hold that Islam is a false religion.”
If you aren’t a Christian then you necessarily see Christianity as a false religion. What’s your point?
amk: The guy is a typical christianist whack-job. He’s so blind to the manifest faults of his own ghastly, fear and hate-filled religion, that he didn’t realise what an own goal he was starting with his stupid multiple-choice game about Islam.
People as crazed about their religion as that are deaf, blind and stupid when it comes to self examination. They float on religious fervour, believing their self induced high to be the one true calling of the Almighty Himself, ignoring the fact that not only do all other religious nutballs from every other faith get exactly the same rush, but so did every murderous practitioner through the ages supposedly acting on behalf of the exact same God.
You can’t reason with them, but at least it’s fun to point out their lunacy. Nonetheless, their murderous brand of fanaticism is no laughing matter.
I feel an attack on Iran might come within the next few months, July, August. If it happens there should be riots in the streets. There is simply no evidence of any wrong doing. Unless you prefer to listen to liars and war criminals.
Larry in your small mind you seem to confuse plagiarism with research. The phrase “Don’t pirate my editions; do plunder my visions” is well worth taking on-board instead of firing from the hip which is your failing Larry.
My argument is the corruption of ecumenism in many American University Christian outreaches including the Michigan Uni. Too many times on the basis of my knowledge we learn of speeches and lectures by evangelist missionaries promoting the virtues of a denomination while warning and sometimes frightening with the wrath of their god that non-believers and members of another faith or belief will face the fire of Armageddon or the clash is inevitable.
Too many times we have learned that young impressionable students are drawn or seduced into false doctrines within so-called Christian ‘churches’ where the underlying current is aimed at a ‘new world order’ to fight evil.
This can be examined and witnessed in statements like, “Texas evangelical and leader of that hybrid known as the Christian Zionist movement, led a rally of 3,500 evangelicals at a Washington hotel, where he called Israel’s attacks on Lebanon a “miracle of god” and proof that Israel was doing god’s work or this one, “Bush sent Hagee a message of praise for:
“Spreading the hope of god’s love and the universal gift of freedom.”
Rubbish, sickening, dangerous and leaving a swath of destruction, murders, maimed, orphaned and traumatised children and women (Iraq).
So much for the Blair and Bush message from their god – the carnage is proof to those that are allured and enamoured by religious fear.
Glenn, I fully agree!
Mark, what the fuck is “the Michigan Uni.”?
Glenn, speaking of which, one wonders what on earth or in heaven has happened to Rapturous Michael Petek? Was it just Israel he was on here for? Hmn.
Incidentally, Larry’s comments juxtaposed with the name of Jesus are in really bad taste. There’s no need to be gratuitously rude. Abe Rene pulled me up for that when I quoted from a Billy Connolly joke, but Larry’s comments are not being made in any kind of spirit of humour, there just there to inflame and provoke and above all, to deflect criticism of the obvious.
Quote of the day by Obama on sacking Mc. Crystal, words which might become an omen.
‘war is bigger than any general, private or president’
Has he signed himself off? Is it a prophecy, a sign to those who pull his strings to get the scissors out?
Pat Robertson has indeed been preaching his hate sermons for decades, he also has a string of immorality in himself, as his flock well knows, still,
his immoral life of ‘do as i say not as I do’ does not matter much to the religious junkies, who need their weekend redemption fix, he knows well to feed their empty souls and obese unhappy lifestyles by playing on their guilt.
With hellfire and damnation he fishes the dollars out of their pocket for his despicable moronic church, he’s the clever imbacile, all others pay for his decrepid absolution.