With genuine reluctance, I find myself obliged to ban Larry from St Louis from commenting on this blog.
I am extremely happy for people to comment on this blog who disagree with my views. It makes it much more interesting for everybody. I wish more people who disagree would comment.
But Larry has a different agenda. His technique is continually to accuse me of holding opinions which I do not in fact hold, and which he thinks will call my judgement into doubt.
Take this comment posted by Larry at 9.35 am today:
I’ve re-read your post on the Russian spies, and once again you’ve proven to be a complete dumbass.
I predicted Russia claiming (in some minor way) those idiots. You didn’t. You thought it was a conspiracy.
You’ve once again self-indicted.
In fact my view on the Russian spies was the exact opposite of what Larry claims it was. As I posted:
I don’t have any difficulty in believing that the FBI really have discovered a colony of Russian sleeper spies in the United States.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/06/those_russian_s.html#comments
This is not Larry being mistaken – remember he claimed he had just re-read my posting. It is rather indicative of a very deliberate technique he has used scores of times, that of claiming I hold an opinion which he believes will devalue my other arguments in the mind of other readers, when I do not in fact hold that opinion.
He most often – indeed daily – does this with reference to 9/11. He tries to divert almost every thread on to the topic of 9/11 and to insinuate that I am among those who believe that 9/11 was “an inside job”. In fact, I am not of that opinion and never have been.
I have put up with this now for months, but Larry’s activities have become so frenetic and are so counter-productive to informed debate, I am not prepared to put up with it any more. I am also deeply sucpicious of the fact that he is able to spend more time on this blog than me, and to post right around the clock (often as with this one at 9.35am – think about it – what time is that in the US?).
Anyway, sorry Larry, your derailing days are over.
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Craig, your “banning” doesn’t seem to work. Those apostate and freeborn etc. idiots have just cropped up again on the other thread about banning trolls – again with vile antisemitic comments. Sigh.
As always i support you Craig.
The guy is Spooky (larry)
Larry your derailing days are over
Such people are like a dog which barks at whoever passes by his property.That’s because it’s their job
You are completely right, Craig. I am writing from St. Petersburg RU on a short trip, and the perception here of the exchange arrangements is logical and consistent with what we are hearing from people ‘in the know’ in the USA and in the UK both officially and unofficially.
Larry watches too much TV and reads too many US blogs. Some people in the USA yearn for the Cold War and for confrontations all over the place – it was or maybe still is a comfortable way to look at designated ‘enemies’.
Let Larry be bitter and twisted elsewhere.
Craig,
I’ll be very glad to be rid of “Larry”. His thread hijacking was tedious and disruptive, but his treatment of other contributers was utterly obnoxious. Good riddance to him.
Many thanks.
Bye bye Larry, have a nice day.
Seems the ‘Dumbass’ is Larry . However, Craig there are companies on the Internet who advertise for these kind of people to disrupt blogs such as your own. The wage is pretty good to be a full time Troll.
“It is rather indicative of a very deliberate technique he has used scores of times, that of claiming I hold an opinion which he believes will devalue my other arguments in the mind of other readers, when I do not in fact hold that opinion.”
This is pretty much the technique your bodyguard of mass immigration advocates use on anyone who asserts (a) the simple historical and biological fact that there is such a thing as a British race comprising mainly the descendants of those who settled Britain at the end of the last ice age, and (b) that immigration to Britain at a time when the fertility of the indigenous British people is well below the replacement rate by millions of Asians, Europeans and Africans whose collective fertility is substantially above the replacement rate will result within a generation in the replacement of the majority of the indigenous British people by people from elsewhere and the descendants of people from elsewhere.
In particular, anyone stating these simple facts on this blog can confidently expect to be accused of holding racist or “racialist” beliefs.
Short of having to register to post I don’t see how you will be able to do this. As you say he does seem to work 24/7 and IP address blocking is very easy to circumvent. If someone decided to repeat post it’s very easy to make comments on a blog almost unusable.
Glad he is gone, will make reading the comments section alot more fun rather than reading through his nonsense.
Alfred: be assured that the British have forced themselves into virtually every inhabited corner of the world over the past couple of centuries so the chances of the delightful British gene becoming extinct is pretty much zero.
there is such a thing as a British race comprising mainly the descendants of those who settled Britain at the end of the last ice age
Quite right. Bloody Romans and Normans – let’s kick ’em out and get breeding.
I support your decision. It is just regrettable that some people who could bring an American or other interesting perspective to a discussion, have nothing better to do than be offensive.
Larry (the team) does not care. He has an agenda and that appears to try and de-value the postings made my Mr Murray. Now, why would anyone want to do that? Check his IP see what U.S prison he is in.
The best you have done Craig.
“be assured that the British have forced themselves into virtually every inhabited corner of the world over the past couple of centuries so the chances of the delightful British gene becoming extinct is pretty much zero.”
Glad to see MJ refrains from a direct charge of racism but his/her technique remains to “accuse me of holding opinions which I do not in fact hold, and which he[she] thinks will call my judgement into doubt.” Specifically, I refer to the silly suggestion that I adhere to a belief in a “British gene”.
Incidentally, although, during their heyday, the Brits got around, the fact remains that there are probably twice as many Pakistani’s + Bangla Deshis as there are those of direct British descent throughout the world. And at 400 million the increase alone in Africa’s population during the last 30 years dwarfs the 160 million odd Brits worldwide.
Anon at 8:48 is me, if anyone doubted it.
Re: Philip’s comment “Quite right. Bloody Romans and Normans – let’s kick ’em out and get breeding.”
I defined the British race as “comprising mainly (let me emphasize “mainly”) the descendants of those who settled Britain at the end of the last ice age”
According to the analysis of mitachondrial DNA, which I trust more than anything likely to be asserted with out evidence here, is that the Norman and Roman contribution to the British gene pool is quite small. However, I certainly did not deny that those of partly Roman (or Roman slave) or Norman descent were not British. Far from it. As a British citizen, I am proud of my own Norman descent. The Normans were undoubtedly are remarkable people who contributed greatly to Britain’s architectural heritage, if nothing else.
As for “kick them out” another example of accusing me of “holding opinions which I do not in fact hold, and which he[she] thinks will call my judgement into doubt.”
For anyone interested in facts rather than rhetoric, here’s some information on Bryan Sykes who has conducted the most extensive studies of British genetic heritage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Sykes
Re Dani:
“However, Craig there are companies on the Internet who advertise for these kind of people to disrupt blogs such as your own. The wage is pretty good to be a full time Troll.”
Can you give me a url for one of these companies please. All I need to do is modify a “social science jargon generator” and I could be quids in 🙂 If it can get past a peer reviewed journal a blog should be a piece of p**s.
Craig, you tit. 911 was an inside job. Come on, an intelligent well informed man like you should know that. Look at all the facts.
Not sorry to see Larry go. The vast majority of his comments were totally irrelevant – things like accusing anyone who criticised any action of the US, Israeli or British governments of favouring suicide bombings.
He very occasionally made a relevant point or argument, but not often enough to justify all his other time wasting and attempts at smears.
Alfred wrote “(a) the simple historical and biological fact that there is such a thing as a British race comprising mainly the descendants of those who settled Britain at the end of the last ice age, and (b) that immigration to Britain at a time when the fertility of the indigenous British people is well below the replacement rate by millions of Asians, Europeans and Africans whose collective fertility is substantially above the replacement rate will result within a generation in the replacement of the majority of the indigenous British people by people from elsewhere and the descendants of people from elsewhere.”
This is the same tired old argument used by bigots and racists for centuries. “The Irish Catholics are outbreeding us”, “Those black and Asian immigrants breed like rabbits” and the Daniel Pipes argument that “The Muslims are outbreeding non-Muslims and will take over Europe”
The truth is there has never been any culture in the past thousand years that did not include large numbers of immigrants and that did not include the mixing of cultures.
The Irish Catholic immigrants to Britain in the 19th century did not outbreed the Protestants in the long run, because as new generations of them got better educations and better jobs they had less children – and because they were influence by the society they moved into as much as they influenced it.
In other words immigrants have more children because they’re poorer, worse educated and come from societies with no welfare state, so have more children to avoid them all dying before adulthood and to look after their parents when they’re too sick or old to work (an alternative to the welfare state).
However the second and third generations become better educated, better off and have less children – and become integrated into the society their parents moved to, influenced by it as much as influencing it. So they’re are plenty of people in Glasgow who look Pakistani but talk English in a Glasgow accent.
The same is true of every wave of immigrants – including the current one.
Dear Craig
This is the price of fame, people hate you.
If you offer opinion and suggestions then the dim will always attack you and want to stick a label on you.
I experienced similar tactics by people at university.
Deliberately distorting the truth.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
What took so long?
Such people destroy blogs and the enjoyment of them by others, scumbags, good riddance.
Re: “This is the same tired old argument used by bigots and racists for centuries.”
Here we go. The totally intolerant Liberal response. “You’re just a racist bastard.”
Then “The truth is …”
Yeah, it always adds force to an argument to begin by saying what you’re going to say is “the truth” — not.
“In other words immigrants have more children because they’re poorer, worse educated and come from societies with no welfare state …”
This may very well be true, but why should the British, who occupy a very small and crowded country, be compelled to move over an make over half of some cities already, and more than half the country eventually, to an endless stream of people from else where. Objection to this need have nothing whatsoever to do with bigotry. But getting that idea through the head of a Liberal bigot would take more explosives than required to bring down the Twin Towers.
And why not. Liberalism is all about liassez faire. Willliam Ewart Gladstone’s family fortune was based on the driving of slaves, a very Liberal free market business. Today Liberalism is all about screwing the workers. Wage arbitrage: send the capital and technology to the slave plantations of Asia or bring the Asians to the west to undercut the incomes of the native population.
Wonderful clip here of Malcolm Muggeridge expressing precisely the only sane view of Liberalism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__nHqyLfeFE
Well done but I expect he’ll be given another guise shortly
IMHO you should severely moderate the comments on this blog, restricting comments to those which will add something to the particular topic being discussed.
I think you should ban everyone from this site.
Alfred, do you have any views on the banning of the construct known as ‘Larry from St Louis’. That is what this thread is about. Why are you attempting to introduce a completely different subject here? Is that not a little reminiscent of what the subject of this thread might do, albeit in a more truncated and virulent manner?
Incidentally, there is a valid critique of the manner in which corporate capitalism uses immigration as a tool to divide-and-rule and keep a permanent pool of workers out of work and keep wages down – it’s called exploitation by transnational corporate capitalists. It has nothing to do with mitochondrial DNA.
It’s the economics, my man, it’s the economics. When, at one point, I suggested that people unite to campaign for higher wages for everyone doing a particular join in a particular place, you laughed at my idea. The idea, Alfred, is called solidarity. It’s the one thing they – transnational corporate capitalists – fear, i.e. people getting together and telling them to where to get off, and it’s one reason why they would quite like your theories because your theories do not threaten them ideologically.
In other words, your dies are another diversion, as you’ve rather amply demonstrated on this thread.
Good riddance to the construct, ‘Larry from St Louis’, btw.
It’s a pity to have to do this, but I agree Craig. Quite aside from someone else using his nickname as of recently, even when I was fairly sure it was the same old Larry, his posts recently took on a much greater level of unpleasantness. Posters regarded as Muslim were challenged about their “support” for 9/11, and there was a definite whiff of anti-Islamic feeling generally. And, of course, torrents of ill-mannered abuse, quite unprovoked.
Alfred wrote: “Wonderful clip here of Malcolm Muggeridge expressing precisely the only sane view of Liberalism”.
Would that be the same Muggeridge who thought Brian was Jesus in the Python film “The Life of Brian”? Oooops, that’s a pretty fundamental mistake to make.