With genuine reluctance, I find myself obliged to ban Larry from St Louis from commenting on this blog.
I am extremely happy for people to comment on this blog who disagree with my views. It makes it much more interesting for everybody. I wish more people who disagree would comment.
But Larry has a different agenda. His technique is continually to accuse me of holding opinions which I do not in fact hold, and which he thinks will call my judgement into doubt.
Take this comment posted by Larry at 9.35 am today:
I’ve re-read your post on the Russian spies, and once again you’ve proven to be a complete dumbass.
I predicted Russia claiming (in some minor way) those idiots. You didn’t. You thought it was a conspiracy.
You’ve once again self-indicted.
In fact my view on the Russian spies was the exact opposite of what Larry claims it was. As I posted:
I don’t have any difficulty in believing that the FBI really have discovered a colony of Russian sleeper spies in the United States.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/06/those_russian_s.html#comments
This is not Larry being mistaken – remember he claimed he had just re-read my posting. It is rather indicative of a very deliberate technique he has used scores of times, that of claiming I hold an opinion which he believes will devalue my other arguments in the mind of other readers, when I do not in fact hold that opinion.
He most often – indeed daily – does this with reference to 9/11. He tries to divert almost every thread on to the topic of 9/11 and to insinuate that I am among those who believe that 9/11 was “an inside job”. In fact, I am not of that opinion and never have been.
I have put up with this now for months, but Larry’s activities have become so frenetic and are so counter-productive to informed debate, I am not prepared to put up with it any more. I am also deeply sucpicious of the fact that he is able to spend more time on this blog than me, and to post right around the clock (often as with this one at 9.35am – think about it – what time is that in the US?).
Anyway, sorry Larry, your derailing days are over.
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Mr Campbell
Well they finally got a conviction for the airport bombers. I am not surprised if you keep having re trials you will get the result you want in the end. 3 re trials is a travestry of justice the jurors must feel pressured as hell to find them guilty. If I tried you 3 times for something you didnt do I am sure I would get a guilty plea. Most of them didnt have passports and no plane tickets were bought. These were some sad people who fantasised about being big men. I have often fantasised about clearing out the previos government of war criminals and self serving bastards. If I chat with a mate about it down the pub and I am overheard I have committed a conspiracy. I am guilty If I carry my fantasy a little further and look up how to make a bomb on the internet then they have proof. I am sure that some of these people had ill intent against the UK. My concern is how the previous barstards Gordon and Blair made thinking a crime. The conspiracy laws have always been around but the new terrorism laws and some of the new sex offences and racial hatred all make thinking in your own brain a crime. I used to watch futuristic sci fi films and laugh when they punished people for thinking bad thoughts well here we go these fuckers made it a reality. A mans home is no longer his castle and free thought is now a crime aswell.
Steve at 0714am, that’s spot-on. I think the next set of convictions will be of people who research the efficacy of magic spells in relation to facilitating the remote-controlled dissolution of the fabric of the war economy, or those who attempt to trigger remote switches installed at the time of construction of the Terry Farrell building in order to levitate Legoland. Gosh! What would Neil Barker do then?
Jim Follett, at around 130am, no, it’s all about YOU. Your country needs YOU. Who are YOU? Where are YOU? Are YOU with Neil Barker? Do YOU wear a raincoat on sunny days?
Meinus, welcome back! Always a joy to read your comments.
Vronsky, thanks, I’ll check out the link. I think I might have read it already, somewhere, but let’s see…
9:45 a.m. here in Dimona.
Does anyone here believe that no Jews were killed on 911?
Steve,
Of course they stupidly made “martyrdom videos” which probably make their apologists and amateur legal advocates look a bit stoopid.
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/07/08/another-isoc-president-convicted-of-terrorism-offences/#more-35817
The surest way to get rid of a troll is to completely ignore him or her. It seems that many here were, and still are, incapable of that.
The proof that ignoring them works is that they become more and more shrill when you do it.
No, Vronsky, I hadn’t read it before, that was a different paper. Looks fascinating.
Alfred, yes, ‘LOL’ used to mean ‘Lots of love’ when people used to write postcards/ letters, etc., so one can understand how the woman’s misconception arose.
Incidentally, once again, you implicitly compare the historical situation in places like Tasmania with that in the UK. This is so wild, it makes one wonder just what you might be smoking, Alfred.
If the UK is being culturally colonised, it’s by the global, US-dominated culture of dumb-down and crass materialism, supermarket monopoly capitalism and dog-eat-dog individualism. It’s got nothing to do with intracellular structures, or the colonial settler extermination of the Tasmanian language, or the herding of the Indian peoples onto reservations. Oddly, I don’t hear you condemning that sort of colonisation, which really is linked to the other economic factors which have changed the face of Britain over the past 35 years and which has a direct impact on people’s daily lives. Once you’ve lost manufacturing and the concept of ‘society’, it’s very difficult to bring it back. But no, you’re interested only in almost Pre-Raphaelite visions of a pristine ‘Britannia’ who ruled the waves and appeared on the rear surfaces of coins. Is this a dominatrix thing? Perhaps, then, you and Jimmy Giro, on another thread, ought to get together and bemoan the rise of Harriet Harman and the Zanu-PF-socialist-Marxist-Baader-Meinhoff-Gang-Red-Army-Faction-aunties’-rhododendron-bushes-nucleolar-protoplasmic-disruption-of-the-subterranean-way-of-life-of-invertebrate-hermaphroditic-nematodes- which proves that immigration is an inherent and eternal moral evil.
Meanwhile, you might wish to listen to some of Richard Robison’s excellent English folk tunes – vibrant proof, if any were required, that a love of English culture in whatever form that might take, is entirely compatible with a love for contemporary England/Scotland/ Wales/ Britain.
On the subject of talking to trees, do you believe in vegetal consciousness, Alfred (and no wise-cracks, mind!)? I know it’s perhaps not your specific field, but it’s an interesting topic nonetheless.
Meantime, say shalom to the cytoplasm.
Massa Craig
I jussa heer tell ’bout you bannin’ ol’ Larry from offa dis heer blog.
Dat meen iffa Larry heads back heer to St Lou me an’ Mass tungsteen in big truble.
We bin joyin’ Larry’s wife for munths now anna we dun drunk all his licker too!
Jussa hope to God yawl Larry gettin’ expens from Massa Silverstein’s cathouse!
Piracy, murder, daylight robbery, grand theft, kidnapping, assault and now this and where is the Foreign Office, yelling its head off in support of its NATO ally? I see, hear not.
http://www.imemc.org/article/59095
This is outrageous, unlawful behaviour by the Israelis yet again.
I have always said that Israel knows no law.
I didnt say that they were saints but more fantasists and I said I was sure they harboured ill will to the UK. Bill dont be duped by the hype that has arisen over the terrorist threat. Yes I know for sure that we have people in this country that want to commit atrocities. But the capabilities and the organisation of these is hyped for political. Financial, and career reasons. Budgets can be cut if you cant prove you are essential. MI5/MI6 anti terrorist command, Military intel units, Local police and councils and charities all get huge sums of money to counter the terrorist threat. If they told the truth and said that terrorists were individual opportunists that are mostly upset by the UK’s and Americas colonisation of Afgahistan and Iraq who have been radicalised into doing amateur acts of terrorism with limited training and technology. I grew up in the days of the IRA. They were organised serious terrorists who got weapons and funding from America, Lybya, Syria, and possibly Russia. They had military spec explosives. Assault rifles and a command structure. If this bunch are so organised and systemic why do they have to get their materials from B&Q or the local hairdresser supply shop. Iraq and afganistan is awash with explosive and weapons. Pakistan is awash with guns. Syria,Iran Somalia yemen all have a plentiful supply of explosives and weapons. Anyone knows how easy it is to drive through the channel tunnel with a boot full of anything. Or to dock a boat in a small marina after a rendevous with a foriegn registered vessel somewhere in the ocean. I know of pubs where you can buy or rent guns. Why havnt any of the suspects that have either been successful or thwarted by the authorities ever been in possesion of any military or industrial explosives or had any weapons more deadly than a coke bottle or laptop. Dont get me wrong these nutters are dangerous and will kill the poor people killed in 7/7 prove that. But I dont want my emails read and stored. My liberty temporarily curtailed whilst an over zealous cop searches me for no good reason other than targets or my right to buy a bottle of water from tescos and take it on a plane. Or even more scary the Governments right to keep putting me in front of a court until they get the decision they want just to keep me safe. We didnt have these restrictions at least on the mainland during the peak of the IRA troubles so why now.
Now what am I gonna do? No more Larry to spit at?
I suppose we now have to create the ‘spot Larry prize’, s/he who’s first to spot his syntrax defiling this blog wins a cup of tea.
Ignoring trolls leaves their bile to be perused by all an sundry, does it not?The argument to ignore trolls does not work for the average tabloidally trained mind.
I say engage trolls at the same level they are at, challenging their pathetic interferences does not only lower one’s blood pressure on hot days, it also shows that the dumbass is exactly that.
Steve – ‘Dont get me wrong these nutters are dangerous and will kill the poor people killed in 7/7 prove that.’
There may be a few dangerous nutters around, but the 7/7 accused were duped into taking part in a mock attack. They were completely innocent. Even the dangerous nutters generally need to be picked up, used and manipulated by the security services to become any threat at all. Well, they don’t really become threats because they are inevitably ‘caught’ at the last minute and their would be explosives are just duds. Still, you get the picture. The reason as to why all this is happening now is to support the police state agenda. Soon to be a European police state…
Steve, okay. But you seemed to be thinking it was wrong to convict these people.
Bill – ‘Steve, okay. But you seemed to be thinking it was wrong to convict these people.’
Without ‘wrong’ false flag attacks; ‘wrong’ wars; ‘wrong’ torture; ‘wrong’ picking up and manipulation by MI5/Mossad; then there wouldn’t be any people in the dock in the first place. The question I ask myself is can what has happened be justified on a geo-political level? Was the 7/7 false flag attack necessary for our security? The answer I come up with is no. It’s just a corrupted, evil power base becoming more corrupt and evil.
Ingo, the best way to deal with trolls, in my opinion, is identify; insult; boot off. 🙂
Deranged posters are best banned.
Bill
In a sense I am saying its wrong to convict some of the airplane plotters. If the first two juries didnt find enough evidence why did the third. Some of these people may have been innocent. A friend who gave a lift to a friend who bought something. Someone who knew these nutters were plotting something but didnt know what. A hundred reasons why they may have been innocent. You cant keep putting people in Court until you get the result you want. If people could have full re trials as appeals as often as they wanted after being found guilty eventualy they will get a jury stupid enough or a lawyer/judge sharp enough to find them innocent. Dont get duped. It isnt a big false flag operation as people state but groups of disorganised nutters pissed off about us invading places at whim. I dont want to live in a police state on the off chance something might happen. Should we ban all cars in case we have an accident or maybe we should intern all muslims just in case a crazy minority of criminals do something stupid. Life is a risk lets live for gods sake not lock ourselves in bunkers in case the sky falls in.
So. Farewell then
Larry from St Loius
It would seem that
You have been banned
But were you a troll
Or a spy?
We will never know
Alfred – I agree about digression, but (we risk a vicious circle of mutual trolling ? in search of the Last Word) you say ethnic cleansing, I ask why you insist on that and what about the other possibilities ? and you say more ethnic cleansing. I do consider it paranoid. The Metis stuff – I thought it was interesting, basically – various bunches of people were ‘cleansed’ from their original places, and they get together & settle down to live together over the generations. It’s an alternative, see ? One of the possibilities that isn’t paranoid.
I agree with your comment on software, too. Threading would make this kind of spinoff easier to handle (for those who are used to it; it might be even more confusing for those who aren’t, but I daresay they’d get used to it in time). But, again, yes, solutions based on Craig spending his time rebuilding software are … well, we don’t decide his priorities. All these nuisance posts are, if nothing else, successful in wasting some of his time anyway.
But, Suhayl, I must protest pedantically – my tunes are not just English, there are also large numbers of Scots, Shetland, Swedish, and more. It’s all good. But, The F Word has become more or less unusable, ‘traditional’ seems clearer. “Whatever you do, don’t mention the horse” (silly band names #73: No Horses – “you ain’t never heard us singing”).
Another digression, yes. How much can you say about a decision that someone isn’t worth engaging with ? I appreciate it, that Craig did give it hard thought & was reluctant, but the risk here is of getting swamped with timewasting gibberish, and worse. Back to software, again – I wanna killfile ! But this system doesn’t give us one each, so a blog-proprietor is forced to do it unilaterally.
Steve – remember military grade high explosives were planted on the London underground and under the back seat on the top deck of a London bus – not HMTD not TATP not hair dye or chapati flour or citric acid or heat tablets – no plastic explosive and military detonators were used.
It’s a hot day here in Dimona.
So are you people also suggesting that 7/7 was an inside job?
Since “software” was mentioned … he’s become a zombie ?
Mark
I am not sure what incident you are referring to? On 7/7and 21/7 homemade explosives were used luckily during 21/7 they cocked the recipe up or they stored it too long or someone gave them the wrong recipe in the first place. Maybe I have missed an attempted bombing or bomb plot in the meantime but I cant think of a UK mainland AQ bombing or attempt that has used military explosives and detonators. I am not up on all incidents so you coulod be correct. I also forgot to mention the homemade sarin plot that never was.I am sure they could have got the genuine article from Iraq if they looked hard enough. Maybe Iran could throw in some radioactive material to help make a dirty bomb. The negative evidence of no plots using credible explosives or NBC agents proves that they are not a credible risk. I appreciate if they did it it would be a terrible thing but if you are crazy/fanatical enough to blow yourself up on a train surely you would be crazy/fanatical enough to do it properly with a nuke or nerve agent or a big fuck off bomb. And if there was a big AQ organisation out there surely it would be in its own interest to arrange the correct tools for their agents to do the job properly. 9/11 was a spectacular and grotesque incident but it was arranged on the back of a fag packet and cost a few plane tickets. They used nothing more technical than a stanley knife. In afganistan and Iraq they have heavy duty machine guns RPG’s and surface air missiles kindly supplied by the CIA. Lets not get too worked up and loose are freedoms we have battled for over 1000 of years just to protect ourselves from a few nutters. If we get the hell out of Iraq and Afganistan and stop threatening Iran and Somalia/Yemen. Tell Israel to wind its neck in. These AQ people wont have anything to moan about.
Maybe the responses answer so many questions eh?
Re steve
“and surface air missiles kindly supplied by the CIA”
How many of these do you think they have left?
It has been a long time since they had CIA support (ISS is of course another matter)
I don’t recall any reports of stingers (FIM-92) being used for a long time.
Paul
You may be correct that they dont have the same Sam’s that the CIA provided but this technicality dosnt disprove my central point.
If proof was needed that the FCO is in the control of Israel, here it is.
UK removes blog post praising late Lebanese cleric
AP – 09 July 2010 13:38:36 By RAPHAEL G. SATTER
Britain’s ambassador to Beirut angered Israelis and embarrassed officials in London after writing a blog post praising the late Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanon’s top Shiite cleric, who supported Hezbollah’s and other militants’ attacks on Israel.
Frances Guy, who has served nearly four years as the Britain’s ambassador in Lebanon, made her tribute following the cleric’s death late last week. Writing in a blog carried on the Foreign Office’s Web site, she called Fadlallah a decent human being and a “true man of religion.”
“Lebanon is a lesser place the day after,” she wrote. “If I was sad to hear the news I know other peoples’ lives will be truly blighted. The world needs more men like him willing to reach out across faiths, acknowledging the reality of the modern world and daring to confront old constraints. May he rest in peace.”
Officials in Jerusalem were furious. Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor described Fadlallah as an extremist who inspired “suicide bombings, assassinations and all kinds of wanton violence.”
“The British ambassador must decide whether promoting terror and giving it religious justification can be considered a heritage to be cherished,” Palmor said.
Britain’s Foreign Office said the posting had been removed “after mature consideration.” A spokeswoman declined to elaborate. Guy could not immediately be reached; the embassy said she was out of the country.
/….
http://www.mail.com/intl/Article.aspx/world/europe/APNews/Europe/20100709/U_EU-Britain-Lebanon-Fadlallah?pageid=1
Wasn’t trying to disprove anything, if anything it suggests the fear they inspire is exaggerated. As people often suggest to lose our freedoms is a victory for them.
Re somebody
And CNN
CNN has sacked a veteran Middle East editor after she wrote on Twitter that she “respected” a late senior Lebanese cleric said to have inspired Hezbollah.
“I don’t recall any reports of stingers (FIM-92) being used for a long time.”
There was actually a buy-back scheme by the CIA at the end of the Afghan War. Not all of them were recovered though, I expect.
“If proof was needed that the FCO is in the control of Israel, here it is.”
Don’t be daft. If someone in the FCO were to write a glowing obituary of someone in the Tamil Tigers or an Afrikaans seperatist such as Terreblanche they would get into trouble for it. That wouldn’t mean that the FCO is “controlled” by Srinhalese chauvinists or the ANC.
It’s remarkable that a member of the FCO was gushing over a terrorist in the first place.
Re Jones:
buy-back?
No shit!!!
That is the strangest thing I have ever heard 🙂