Hmmm. Not only did the Saudi secret service have the precise details of the bomb packages, the female alleged terrorist in Sanaa gave her phone number to the courier company. As all ultra dangerous highly trained al-Qaidah operatives are obviously taught to do.
Meanwhile David Cameron ups the 9/11 hype by saying the bombs might have been detonated on the plane. Well certainly, they might. Except that, given the parcels changed cargo planes three times, it would be difficult to know when they were on a plane and where. And why then address them to Jewish organisations in Chicago, which might arouse suspicion coming from Sanaa, rather than a fictitious uncle or a mail order curtain company?
I still think this probably was another half-arsed terrorist attempt, like the liquid bomb plot or the man who set fire to his gonads. Super dangerous and deserving all the hype it plainly was not.
“May be half-arsed, but I would hate to be on board if one of those things went off..”
When these things actually go off and people actually die there have to be (for the moment anyway) investigations, inquests and trials. Anyone who has, say, been following the conduct of the current 7/7 inquest will appreciate that controlling the course of justice does require some serious efort and is prone to leaving a trail
Initial reports all say the cartridges were checked and no explosives were found.
I note it has subsequently been called “explosive material”.
The confusion about the fact that no cargo planes left Saana (or Yemen) is that the packages came from there but not the planes. So, kill that conspiracy theory.
It’s nice to know that the nutters are incompetent just like the liquid bomb plotters (unlike the IRA or 7/7 bombers).
“It’s nice to know that the nutters are incompetent”
Do we know they’re incompetent? It depends on their true objectives. Maybe things are panning out just as planned. Who knows?
“So, kill that conspiracy theory”.
It wasn’t a theory, it was a piece of evidence, good evidence too. What’s interesting is that it took the MSM almost 24 hours to dispel the very clear inference that the plane itself had come from Yemen.
This is interesting because the last government prohibited flights from Yemen some time ago.
Thus far the entire official story is so unconvincing and full of holes and contradictions that freestyle conjecturing is only natural. Of course, in the magical world of Larry of St Kablooee any attempt to disagree with the official narrative is the insane malicebombs of moonbats and the Anti-Jooz. Feck, must be great on Planet Larry, surrounded by all that incontrovertible truth. (And yeah, he aint been on here yet, but I think we’re entitled to a bit of preemptive countermeasures, eh?)
Cargo plane bomb plot: David Cameron not informed of terror threat for 16 hours
The whole thing smells like a big pile of steaming turd to me…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8098120/Cargo-plane-bomb-plot-David-Cameron-not-informed-of-terror-threat-for-16-hours.html
A nutter will soon get through. There will be blood. And then, faced with an obvious and violent outrage, you can guarantee that Craig, and many of the other self-loathing posters on this blog, will simply switch from trying to brush the embarrassing fact of religious extremism under the carpet to: Kill us, we deserve it.
Apart from those who’ll still say it was Sir John Sawers and the Jews, of course. Which will probably be most of you, come to think of it.
yes, alan campbell, and you eat purple babies. and six times four is three and – oh, let’s just wait for your next post. Have you honestly got nothing better to do than sit at a keyboard making up unsubstantiated and pointless rubbish? Shame on you. I do hope you’re getting paid for it, I really do: but i suspect you are just unmitigatedly unpleasant. How’s your life, alan?
‘ a nutter will soon get through’ – surely not a vote of no confidence in our security services?
“Have you honestly got nothing better to do than sit at a keyboard making up unsubstantiated and pointless rubbish?”
No, I’ll leave that to you. You certainly excel, by the way.
Quoth Ra Campbell – “…you can guarantee that Craig, and many of the other self-loathing posters on this blog, will simply switch from trying to brush the embarrassing fact of religious extremism under the carpet to: Kill us, we deserve it.”
That is just barrel-scraping, canal-dredging bonkers, even for you.
Toys and prams, alan.
Who are these people? I’m off for lunch: they are obviously already out to it.
alan campbell said:
“A nutter will soon get through. There will be blood.”
Gee it sounds like you want it to happen, and all so you can be right in an internet debate. What a shining beacon of morality you are.
I can almost-but-not-quite take Alan’s side (I obviously got fed up painting the stairs, quarrelled with my girlfriend, and have now retreated upstairs to the study).
I can remember the conversation in the pub in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Apart from obvious horror, there was also a general feeling that it was hardly surprising – if you keep prodding a cat, it will eventually scratch you. One in our company eventually ‘did an Alan’ and accused us of condoning the attacks, so the ‘Alan Error’ is familiar – there’s a difference between explaining something and excusing it, which not everyone sees. Some people don’t want to see it – I hope Alan’s not one of those.
Of course, the overall interpretation of those events has changed a great deal since then – another casualty of 9/11 was our innocence. I remember that in that same pub conversation I suggested that 9/11 was another ‘Alamo’ – a prodded cat was scratching. A more prescient friend said that it was more like the Little Bighorn – a massacre would be used as an excuse to abandon all restraint.
Anyway, just been invited to lunch by way of reconciliation. Leave you with something to read.
“US Special Operations Forces are sabotaging the very strategy for reaching a political settlement that US officials claim to support”
http://www.thenation.com/article/155622/killing-reconciliation
Vronsky, good luck with everything.
Vronsky, I know exactly what you’re talking about in regards to the ‘alan error’. Usually such errors are genuine mistakes and misunderstandings made by people who aren’t very politically sophisticated. However in this particular case, I believe campbell knows exactly what he is doing, and his false outrage is disingenuous and insulting to all here.
“There will be blood”
There’s always blood. Usually in some far off land
It’s a real shame that there is no market choice in these matters. Those who label others as ‘self-loathing’ would get the chance to pay a little more for the privilege of having their genitals x-rayed at gunpoint in a Whites-only compound and the rest of us could just go about our lives and take our chances as free men and women
Sorry, it was Danny Casolaro. I thought I’d put this up here because it fits in with the “October Surprise” thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro
“It’s a real shame that there is no market choice in these matters. Those who label others as ‘self-loathing’ would get the chance to pay a little more for the privilege of having their genitals x-rayed at gunpoint in a Whites-only compound and the rest of us could just go about our lives and take our chances as free men and women”
Eh? You mean those who say “terrorism” is an invention of the powers-that-be or else, a policy of the powers-that-be don’t need to be searched at airports but those who request extra security get searched extra thoroughly. Hmmm, can’t see a loophole there.
As it happens, I agree with Bill Maher who requested “Your Own Risk Airlines” and I’d fly on that if I thought that I could go through security faster.
However, the only snag is that each plane that flies with them MUST be blown out of the sky by supersonic jets at the merest hint of flying off course within thirty seconds. Or if hijacked. Because we all know that is what is supposed to happen.
I don’t have any strong opinions about the October Surprise but if angrysoba says it didn’t happen I am happy to disagree with him 🙂
“can’t see a loophole there”
You’ve addressed the ‘loophole’ in the 2nd 1/2 of your own comment
And btw you could believe the Official Narratives 100% and still believe that the asking price for a little temporary safety isn’t worth paying
As I’ve already said in an earlier comment, I do not think that the identity of the terrorists matters that much. The key issue is how far are you willing to be led in fulfilling their agenda
Actually it’s quite nice to be called self-loathing. I got used to being accused of the opposite.
Funnily enough, I actually don’t believe any Muslims are trying to kill me, despite all the efforts of the media to convince me otherwise. I don’t even think they are trying to kill Alan Campbell – who incidentally, if he is where he claims he is, said good night and went off ti bed at 3pm yesterday.
man and so close to the american elections and the release by wikileaks…..call me cynical from St Dumbsville
‘Dozens of students staged a sit-in in the courtyard of Sana’a University’s engineering faculty today, proclaiming al-Samawi’s innocence. She has not been allowed access to a lawyer, according to Barman.’
Sadly it’s quite probable she’s being tortured into a confression
Frazer,
I’m less convinced than I was yesterday that “one of those things” even *could* “go off”. Read the Telegraph article above. The plods were convinced there were no explosives. It wasn’t until “detectives from the Metropolitan Police’s Counter Terrorism Command said they had taken over the inquiry” that the packages were described as “explosive”.
Angrysoba,
the final paragraph of your 1:46 comment is the sort of hyperbole that results in you being characterised as a “shill” – you know that no one here makes such a claim, and I think that you should be less provocative, in the interests of furthering intelligent discussion.
Alan Campbell,
I was encouraged yesterday when you engaged positively here, so I’m saddened today that you have returned to issuing sulky insults. Whatever it is that’s upsetting you, I hope it improves soon.
When the BBC governors were replaced by ‘trust’ – ees, the Guardian sank in an inevitable sea of ‘fear-media’ complicity. It’s current on-line page is an epitaph to it’s demise.
Er, no Craig, it was 7pm actualy in Colombia when I signed off from the wild shores of Shaylerville. I don’t remember saying I was going to bed. I said “good night and good evening”, I think. Believe it or not, I don’t quite spend all my time chatting to conspiraloons and admrers of religious extremism. Tempting as that prospect may be. Sometimes I go out with my wife and have a drink with friends and admire the handsome Colombians enjoying life and the ravishing Colombianas in their short skirts and tight clothes. We’re still allowed to do that in LatinAm.
Yes, just checked. Signed out 12.48am UK time. 6 hours behind over here. That makes 6.48pm. 3pm? Come on, Craig. I thought you were a senior diplomat. You should know a bit more about geography and time zones.
The Observer understands that the East Midlands device was so sophisticated an examination by experts initially suggested it did not contain explosives. “Even when it was examined, the sniffer dogs couldn’t detect it,” a security source said. “It was only when they forensic experts] had a second look at it they realised what it was.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/30/cargo-plane-bombs-explode-midair