That was my comment on Guardian cif.
How long before it is moderated out?
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Evil: It’s there, man, it’s there. It’s always been there. But good is here, there and everywhere. Be a yogin, man, be a koan. Be a rock. Be the moon. Sing.
My message at 10:22 was meant for Tony, obviously.
Thanks, Mark. At least you’ve got an armoured PC.
Good ‘Operation Krackpottery’-critiquing article by Paul Craig Roberts:
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts11242010.html
And another, by Michael Scott. I am not deliberately trying to out-Tony Tony here!
http://www.counterpunch.org/scott11242010.html
Roderick, there isn’t much I’m certain about, but that’s definitely Tony_opmoc.
Mark, it could be this:
http://www.kaspersky.com/news.html?id=970183
And so They are Screaming At Me Kill It Kill It Kill It….
And I Turn Round and Look at THEM
And I SPREAD MY BODY WIDE
And say to Them
I Am Not Into Execution or Torture
I Don’t Know Where The Evil Is Here
But I am Going To Find Out By a Process Of
TRIALS
It Is About THE LAW
We Fought For The Common Law Of Man
We Got Our Magna Carta in 1215
And until anyone presents any compelling evidence I will assume that this
CURDLING MASS OF ANIMATE jELLY tHAT lOOKS AND sMELLS aS iF iT iS alien shit
is Human
Otherwise You Would Be in Big Trouble
Tony
“nerdy-looking bureaucrats trained in the art of spreading misery…”
Clark,
Thanks I’ll check this.
This is what one of the students stuck in a kettle said:
“I’m cold, tired and in pain, and there are no loos for girls. I don’t understand why they are keeping us cooped up here like this. It’s ridiculous, we’ve been here for hours,”
Well isn’t it quite obvious that instead of banning protests they’re deliberately causing the demonstrators some of whom are children so much indignity and pain that they won’t demonstrate again.
But they need to be careful. Experiencing being kettled in the freezing cold for hours on end dying to go to the toilet is something one doesn’t forget easily and nurtures hatred.
Of course there’ll be outcries but won’t the police say the students are so violent. Well I’m sure the action outside the Tory Headquarters was manipulated by agents provocateur who incited some of the students who were left to rampage while the police took one hour to respond to the security guards request for help.
The students have my greatest admiration but I think it’s time for the older generations who’ve had it all to support them and get rid of this corrupt political structure and the mechanism that drives it.
Suhayl,
Jeez! – I read Counterpunch * 2 and all I gained was a heavy heart. Fuzzy’s mum believes everything she reads mainstream on terror and I say to her, “Look mum there is a motive to this, there is an agenda, its linked to fear.”
She replies, “I am fearful, dad and I could be blown up going to Spain, you know we like going to Spain.”
“But mum… Oh forget it, you’ll be OK.
Just a ramble, but I get so frustrated.
I would just like to make a small critique of the Film We Actually Paid To See Yesterday
Social Network??
No She Said as we were queing up behind the people who wanted food…
I have to say – that she had being trying to drag me there for weeks – and I really didn’t want to go…
Once we turned up and the queues were ridiculous – so we went to V&Z instead…
And then last week – I got out of seeing it again…
I would just like to say That
WE At ICL In MANCHESTER GOT FULL VIRTUAL ADDRESSING AND VIRTUAL MACHINES WORKING IN REAL SYSTEMS AND SOLD THEM
Before The Americans Had Even Thought Of It
Otherwise The Film Was Crap
It was so aweful I had absolutely no emotional connection to any of the characters
You see the Girl at The Start Got It Nearly Right
She Said ASSHOLE
Whereas from what I could see they were All Arseholes…
Now of course I couldn’t post such rants on my own FACEBOOK account…
All my Friends Are Really Nice Human Beings – They Invite Me Into Their Homes…
If I Start Going on about 9/11 and stuff – I may not get invited again.
And We Really Like Our Friends.
Tony – He Said To Me Two Days Before His Birthday – I Just Love You Guys – and Meant It
Tony is IRISH and My Wife Told Me to Send Him a Happy Birthday Message on His Birthday on Monday – and said I would but forgot
Sorry
Irish
Tony
And Thanks For Inviting Us To Your Home Last Saturday
He Teaches Young Kids How To Build – With REAL BRICKS AND MORTAR
…You Know you actually have the skills to do it…
Build REAL HOUSES
SOLID
They Don’t Fall Down When a Hurricane or an Earthquake Comes Along
Well Designed and Well Built – Just Like The Home I am typing this in – Built over 100 Years Ago
Bombed to Fuck Twice in Two World Wars
(Rather Close To a Rather Important Airfield)
And Our Home Still Has Its Own Original Glass Window in Lead…
The Pictures Were Designed By an Artist…For Our Home’s Windows 100 years ago or so – before the First World war…
He Sketched The Picture For Our Windows which People have been looking through and in for the last 100 years…
The houses next door seemed to have a different artist or he was a bit stoned when he did their’s
Actually they have nearly all been blown out by bombs during The Battle of Britain..But Some of The Spitfire Pilot’s Mums – who survived… thought
Fuck This…
And they got the GrandDad – of the same bloke who does our original windows – to make them look exactly the same as Before They Lost Their Sons and Husbands Defending Our Avenue..
That is Just The Way It Is
Tony
I think I may have a communications problem..
I would just like to make a small critique of the Film We Actually Paid To See Yesterday
Social Network??
No She Said as we were queing up behind the people who wanted food…
I have to say – that she had being trying to drag me there for weeks – and I really didn’t want to go…
Once we turned up and the queues were ridiculous – so we went to V&Z instead…
And then last week – I got out of seeing it again…
I would just like to say That
WE At ICL In MANCHESTER GOT FULL VIRTUAL ADDRESSING AND VIRTUAL MACHINES WORKING IN REAL SYSTEMS AND SOLD THEM
Before The Americans Had Even Thought Of It
Otherwise The Film Was Crap
It was so aweful I had absolutely no emotional connection to any of the characters
You see the Girl at The Start Got It Nearly Right
She Said ASSHOLE
Whereas from what I could see they were All Arseholes…
Now of course I couldn’t post such rants on my own FACEBOOK account…
All my Friends Are Really Nice Human Beings – They Invite Me Into Their Homes…
If I Start Going on about 9/11 and stuff – I may not get invited again.
And We Really Like Our Friends.
Tony – He Said To Me Two Days Before His Birthday – I Just Love You Guys – and Meant It
Tony is IRISH and My Wife Told Me to Send Him a Happy Birthday Message on His Birthday on Monday – and said I would but forgot
Sorry
Irish
Tony
And Thanks For Inviting Us To Your Home Last Saturday
He Teaches Young Kids How To Build – With REAL BRICKS AND MORTAR
…You Know you actually have the skills to do it…
Build REAL HOUSES
SOLID
They Don’t Fall Down When a Hurricane or an Earthquake Comes Along
Well Designed and Well Built – Just Like The Home I am typing this in – Built over 100 Years Ago
Bombed to Fuck Twice in Two World Wars
(Rather Close To a Rather Important Airfield)
And Our Home Still Has Its Own Original Glass Window in Lead…
The Pictures Were Designed By an Artist…For Our Home’s Windows 100 years ago or so – before the First World war…
He Sketched The Picture For Our Windows which People have been looking through and in for the last 100 years…
The houses next door seemed to have a different artist or he was a bit stoned when he did their’s
Actually they have nearly all been blown out by bombs during The Battle of Britain..But Some of The Spitfire Pilot’s Mums – who survived… thought
Fuck This…
And they got the GrandDad – of the same bloke who does our original windows – to make them look exactly the same as Before They Lost Their Sons and Husbands Defending Our Avenue..
That is Just The Way It Is
Tony
Night Tony – sweet dreams.
Ruth: “Well isn’t it quite obvious that instead of banning protests they’re deliberately causing the demonstrators some of whom are children so much indignity and pain that they won’t demonstrate again.”
It’s a sad day when “radicals” stop demonstrating because they can’t find a loo stop on their marches.
Don’t you think you’re being just a tad woosy if you don’t want to march because it’s a bit cold? If only the cold was all the protestors on Bloody Sunday in Russia had to worry about.
Oh, and how about simply not taking children on a demo?
Well, so I couldn’t say that here in England – so I said it in America – where My Friends Allow FREE SPEECH
Meanwhile in The UK you can watch The Most Popular Bideo in The UK over The Last Week Tha Has Had Over 2 Million Hits – Probably Over 2.5 Million By Now – In a Week
Some Footballer’s Wife Farted LIVE on TV on some Program which we never watch cos we are almost always out on a Saturday night
Instead watch Joe Quinn
His view count has been on a steady 302 all day
Absolutely No one is Watching Joe Quinn
SOTT Focus: The Sott Report: The Irish ‘Banking’ Meltdown & TSA Feel-Ups
http://www.sott.net/
Horse, water and stuff
FFS
Tony
Suhayl: “Yes, the Korean situation is very worrying. I wonder what the truth of it all is. Conducting military exercises and the various attacks, etc. seem absolutely crazy but after all these years somebody is orchestrating all this – I suspect it’s not what it seems or what we are hearing. I have no sympathy with North Korea, but I think we need to question the received narrative here – we have nothing to lose by doing so.”
There have been some people who criticize the South Korean maneuvres around the Northern Limit Line (disputed maritime border), but then again, the North Koreans sank a South Korean warship so being vigilant around that area is common sense and if the North Koreans don’t like it they could try playing nicely.
I don’t think China has much to do with this and I don’t think China is any kind of solution to this problem either.
In the meantime we have some classic rhetoric from the DPRK:
“Pyongyang, November 23 (KCNA) — The Supreme Command of the Korean People’s Army Tuesday released the following communique:
The south Korean puppet group perpetrated such reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side around Yonphyong Islet in the West Sea of Korea from 13:00 on Nov. 23 despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK while staging the war maneuvers for a war of aggression on it codenamed Hoguk, escalating the tension on the Korean Peninsula.
The above-said military provocation is part of its sinister attempt to defend the brigandish “northern limit line,” while frequently infiltrating its naval warships into the territorial waters of the DPRK side under the pretext of “intercepting fishing boats.”
The revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK standing guard over the inviolable territorial waters of the country took such decisive military step as reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike.
It is a traditional mode of counter-action of the army of the DPRK to counter the firing of the provocateurs with merciless strikes.
Should the south Korean puppet group dare intrude into the territorial waters of the DPRK even 0.001 mm, the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK will unhesitatingly continue taking merciless military counter-actions against it.
It should bear in mind the solemn warning of the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK that they do not make an empty talk.
There is in the West Sea of Korea only the maritime military demarcation line set by the DPRK.”
Angrysoba? You’re not really arguing in favour of kettling, and other such techniques are you? I know the police sometimes abuse peaceful demonstrators, I’ve experienced it myself. You’re not arguing just because Ruth said it, are you? Why +shouldn’t+ children be at a protest?
And Then…
We had Already Developed and Got Working THE VERY FIRST PROGRAMMANABLE DIGITAL COMPUTER IN THE WORLD…
WITH Some Help From London and Bracknell
IN MANCHESTER
We Called it THE MU5
And then after 1900 and 2900
We Developed and Got Working
The VERY FIRST DAP
Digital Array Processor…
And I was ICL’s Trial Supervisor – Working For QUALITY ASSURANCE in
WEST GORTON
And
ASHTON_UNDER_LYNE
I thought – well how the hell do I test this fucker???
It does it in parallel 64 times at the same time…
I may have a complex thought or idea that needs to be processed and I need to break the overall objective down into 64 seperate thoughts and threads – that have to communicate with each other on the way to the result of the problem we set it…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICL_Distributed_Array_Processor
The Distributed Array Processor (DAP) produced by International Computers Limited (ICL) was the world’s first commercial massively parallel computer. The original paper study was complete in 1972 and building of the prototype began in 1974. The first machine was delivered to Queen Mary College in 1979.
Tony
Tony_opmoc, I was at QMC a couple of years later, doing physics. There were these geeks, who were trying to get people to come to these sort of underground maths meetings in the maths department. I found out later they were working on fractals and chaos, before it found mainstream acceptance; this maths group was extracurricular. I bet they were using the DAP. Which department was it in?
One interesting thing about the chaos maths was that it exposed how contrived and selected the science syllabus was. In my science education, no one ever told me that the equations I was being given to work on were the tiny, selected subset of equations that can actually be solved, and that most relationships are non-linear. The messy maths of life was just omitted, like unwanted news stories.
Well basically its all fucked up isn’t it?
I mean we are living on a whim as weak as ALL the US Intelligence Services stating Clearly To President George Bush…
There is No Evidence Whatsoever That Iran Is Developing Nuclear Weapons…
In Fact Even The Crazies Didn’t Want WW III…
You seem to have no idea of the thread that human existence is hanging on…
Tony
Tony_opmoc, your stdout seems to be occupying all available multiplex slots, and your stdin is not responding to IRQs. Is the ethanol level a bit high?
I don’t know whether this will work on Craig Murray’s website…
Didn’t Have To Ask My Daughter
When She Was Arrested And Held By The Police And Held Her From 9:30pm till 3:00am
If They Did That
Because I Know There is No Way The British Police Would Do That
Us British Have Standards
And we Look At You Americans and Turn Away How The Fuck Can You Do That To Your Fellow Americans…
Sure My Daughter Has Made Loads of Friends With American Kids…
And Has Been Invited
Of Course It Is Her Decision
But I Really Think The Entire Idea of Going To America No Longer Feels That Attracrive To My Daughter…
But She Can Do More or Less What She Wants
But Don’t Expect Me To Pay For The Air Ticket
Because I Won’t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNn6mimskt0
Tony
Angrysoba: thanks for the info. wrt the Korean situation.
One is aware of the North Korean regime’s rhetorical attitude, actual stance, etc. I was also wondering, though, precisely why this situation seems to have become more acute over the past few months – military strikes, sinking ships, military ‘exercises’, etc. Somebody is cranking-up the tension to fever-pitch levels. I think this is a situation in which the UN need to get involved immediately. Surely, China needs to be involved, too, as the next-door-neighbour superpower? Is this situation actually to do in some way with US-China dynamics? I know North Korea and China are not exactly the best of pals these days, to put it mildly, but could this be another element in the USA’s strategic policy of containment/ encirclement?
What I’m trying to say is, it’s too easy, I think, simply to ascribe all of this (I’m not saying that you are) to ‘mad-dog North Korean regime erupts again’. It is a peculiar and anachronistic regime. I sense there is more going on that that – there usually is, in such situations.
Ruth – I agree with what you said above and was reminded of a children’s nursery rhyme.
Polly put the kettle on,
Polly put the kettle on,
Polly put the kettle on,
We’ll all have tea.
Sukey take it off again,
Sukey take it off again,
Sukey take it off again,
They’ve all gone away.
except they didn’t have the tea.
I watched the live coverage on Sky and BBC News (don’t they love televising it with the harpies Kay Burley and Emily Maitlis putting in their two pennyworths from the studios) and it was obvious that there was satisfaction being expressed about the way the police were operating. The female chief inspector i/c the operation was interviewed. She used jargon that Orwell would have been proud of – containment areas, dispersal plan, etc.
As I said earlier, Gove was given free rein on both channels to propagandize. It could easily have been a party political broadcast. Then segments were repeated!
This thread is on medialens wrt one of Gove’s more chilling proposals – troops becoming teachers.
So far –
Troops in the classroom under Michael Gove schools shake-up – Ellie Re: Troops in the classroom under Michael Gove schools shake-up – Ed
Don’t ex service personal have highest figures for mental health problems & domestic violence? – Aidan
Troops in the classroom under Michael Gove schools shake-up – Alan Haynes
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1290650908.html
Watched the police tactics with interest, they can be stretched. Should the NUS decide to demonstarte in more than one place at the time, rather than have all of them together.
Demonstrating outside Downing Street with all of them is not needed.
Kettling is a mild form of torture, keeping a young person, very likely to be demonstrating the first time, penned up and surrounded by riot police is a psychological scare and not to allow people to go to the lo, a disruption of your normal functions, far from only being a physical distress, again changes the mood and challenges their resolve.
I always found it very usefull to have an empty bottle at hand, with a she wee there is now an exceptable way out for women, add to this a flask of tea, preferably with some reinforcing liquor content and you got the three most important things to carry on a cold day.
We once tried kettling a police man in Twyford Down, surrounding him with arms linked. You have never seen anything like it, all the training fell off him like a snake shedding its skin, and his look resembled that of a startled rabbit in a headlight, unbelieving and shaken.
All we did was talk to him nicely asking him whether he’s alright’etc., wherever he moved the circle followed and in the end he asked, in a very tiny voice if we could please let him out, so we did.
It works both ways and you are not impeding or stopping him, nor are you interfering with his business, a non violent technique tomn bring coppers down to your level for a little while.
It is not in China’s interest at this moment and time to have North Korea making noises, I bet they are worried about the ‘young man’ now being in charge.
If it is bluster on his behalf, and he is getting away with it, then he might try again.
The other theory goes that China likes to use North Korea like a bowstring, now and then tihghtening it to make a noise and wake us up to the fact that there’s only a cease fire agreement holding these two apart.
China knows that a reciproke action will follow, that the US will now be sending some serious firepower into the Sotuh China sea.
China is not Iran, and it does not undertake naval manouvres in front off the US western seaboard, it will not like this amassing of power in front of its door.
So they will reign North Korea back until the young mans hormones play up again.
Beyond words. The STWC are collaborating with Sloboda of Iraq Body Count, famous for understating the number of Iraqis who have been killed 2001-2010 by many hundreds of thousands.
3) MPS AFGHANISTAN PUBLIC MEETING
The cross-party parliamentary group of MPs, titled the Afghanistan Withdrawal Group, which was set up to campaign in the House of Commons for all British troops to be withdrawn from Afghanistan, and is chaired by Caroline Lucas MP and Paul Flynn MP, holds its second briefing meeting on 7 December, open to all MPs and the general public.
The discussion, titled Afghanistan: Counting the Dead, will be led by John Sloboda, founder of Iraq Body Count, who recently collaborated with the Guardian newspaper and others to provide analysis and commentary on the Iraq War Logs released by Wikileaks.
PUBLIC MEETING: AFGHANISTAN: COUNTING THE DEAD
Briefing by the Parliamentary Afghanistan Withdrawal Group
Chair: Paul Flynn MP
Speaker: John Sloboda, co-founder of Iraq Body Count
TUESDAY 7 DECEMBER 2010 7.00PM TO 8.30PM
COMMITTEE ROOM 9, HOUSE OF COMMONS, LONDON SW1A 0AA
(Nearest tube Westminster)
!!!!
Kettling – torture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMeLry-xnsg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiGcSMTG2lc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYCRJs6K6jQ
Richard Stallman’s political notes page is well worth a look today:
http://stallman.org/rss/recent-pol-notes.html
Many US foreclosures are illegal, so Florida has set up special courts. And the TSA are protecting the US against deadly urine bag bombs on US flights.
I do not know Mr. Sloboda, but I do know Caroline Lucas personally from my past endeavours within the Green Party.
If she is chairing, then she is tied and cannot spoeak freely, indeed, ideally the chair don’t say much at all.
She will not be the only one deciding on the brief, so do not be surprised if she will be used by others, she’ll notice.
caroline is in the unfiortuante positipon of being alone, having no Parliamentary group, as yet, hopefully for her, this will change at the next election, although I would prefer to see Independent MP making an impact.
Caroline’s expertise on Afghanistan is not great, but she is sharp and will be informed about most of the issues surrounding civilian death, for starters, anybody here can email her with relevant supporting papers.
Anybody in or near London going along? please let us have a report here, thank you.