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  • Larry from St. Louis

    “How long before Craig’s site is pulled?”

    BWWWWAAAHHHHAAAAA.

    You nutcases. Craig’s site will be up in perpetuity.

    Give this guy a rope and you nutcases step in to hang him with it.

    Is there any precedent for a site to be “pulled”? Or are you that narcissistic that you’ll be taking part in the first “pulling” of a site?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Wow Suhayl … Citizens for Legitimate Government … another 911 truth site … this time from the left.

    Those clowns get everything wrong.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Suhayl, do you ever stop to consider that you might be evil?

    At least, that you have more in common with Tim McVeigh than Barack Obama?

  • Vronksy

    “a thesis on internet trolling”

    I think the framework is laid out in Cass Sunstein’s paper, which you’ve read (link below for anyone who hasn’t). However this doesn’t cover detailed methods. There must be some sort of selection/training – what larry does isn’t easy – could you, as a real person, be bothered? I suspect there is also a ‘troll spectrum’ ranging from larry at one end to apparently intelligent and informed commenters at the other, with somewhere in the middle the merely meaningless, like tony_opmoc. We seem to have the whole tribe here. I wonder if it’s possible to design a ‘troll test’, along the lines of the Turing Test (tinyurl.com/c4rv9) or this (tinyurl.com/39fge8z)?

    Sunstein paper: tinyurl.com/3jv4wo

    Hard-hitting comment by Glenn Greenwald: tinyurl.com/yl4w3po

    quote:

    … “conspiracy theories” are so pervasive precisely because government is typically filled with people like Cass Sunstein, who think that systematic deceit and government-sponsored manipulation are justified…

  • Larry from St. Louis

    And why exactly did you stop treating patients, Suhayl? Is it because you recognise yourself as a jihadist, and you don’t want to let your patients down when you inevitably put on a bomb vest and get on the tube?

    There has to be a reason for you no longer treating patients.

  • dreoilin

    Glenn Greenwald yesterday:

    “Following up on my post from earlier today about Joe Lieberman’s Chinese-replicating Internet censorship efforts (and please read that first for the context), I wanted this to be highlighted separately: The New York Times reports that another company has now capitulated to Lieberman’s demands: “a Seattle-based software company, Tableau, which provides a free Web platform for interactive graphics, removed charts uploaded by WikiLeaks in response to Sen. Joe Lieberman’s public statement that companies should stop helping the whistle-blowers.” Tableau issued a statement, which reads …

    (And as for the first one, he starts by quoting the Guardian)

    ‘WikiLeaks website pulled by Amazon after US political pressure’

    “The US struck its first blow against WikiLeaks after Amazon.com pulled the plug on hosting the whistleblowing website in reaction to heavy political pressure.

    “The company announced it was cutting WikiLeaks off yesterday only 24 hours after being contacted by the staff of Joe Lieberman, chairman of the Senate’s committee on homeland security … etc etc

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/02/censorship/index.html

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Thanks, Vronsky, yes, you’re right, we do have the full panoply on this site; indeed, it would be an excellent place to begin a formal study.

    First, an address to trolls:

    Is there anyone who would like to confess at this point to being a troll? Truth and reconciliation and all that… No? I thought not.

    I see a bestseller: ‘Confessions of an Internet Troll’.

    Senator Joseph Lieberman – there he is again. He and Sarah Palin would make a fine pair. He could chase eels across the ice while she fished for grizzlies! There are both tubes in a very profound sense. And they both are extremely successful – Palin will be the next Republican Presidential candidate.

    It’s enough to put you right off tea. Cup of coffee, anyone?

    Whatever Wikileaks’s provenance, if Senator Joseph Lieberman wants to shut it done, it can’t be all bad. It would be worth keeping open, just to irritate Lieberman and everything he represents.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    It’s good, dreoilin – we are witnessing the hard state in action. This is what they are, in truth. It’s good, the gloves are off. Let’s witness the emperor in his nakedness, and let’s collectively laugh. Depleted uranium and cruise missiles – these are our rulers real tools. If they could launch a cruise missile at Wikileaks, they would. They’ve killed journalists in Iraq and elsewhere for much less, for simply being independent.

    Assange must not venture near any shops selling large sports bags, blunt antique knives, Co-proxamol or bondage gear of any description.

  • dreoilin

    “could you, as a real person, be bothered?”

    If one was bitter and vitriolic enough. I don’t necessarily think he’s getting paid. I’ve seen so many vile remarks about Muslims (or anyone whom they think sounds like one) on American blogs. Horrendous stuff.

    Saw a great tweet from Ali Abunimah on Twitter. He had posted a link to where some Rabbi was saying “Europe has been overrun by Muslims” and he asked the question “How would people repond if this was said about Jews?” So telling …

    tony_opmoc isn’t a troll, surely? I’ve seen him post on Alternet.org. But I tend to rely a good deal on “female intuition”. Alfred would have a ball with that.

    You’re right, Suhayl, if I was Assange I’d remain in hiding (and hope for the best). They have no compunction about bumping people off. The latest accusation in the States is that “Assange believes in transparency, but he won’t reveal his whereabouts!”. I mean, WTF? The Sarah Palin types are very short on brains. And logic.

  • CheebaCow

    Vronsky:

    I don’t wanna sound like a tool, but can you please post the original links and not tinyurl? I usually don’t bother to follow them, who knows where you will end up. They are also a common way to fool people into visiting a malware site. I did however make an exception for you this time 😉

    Ruth:

    I think that the RIAA/MIAA and the proposed ACTA treaty have done far more to limit internet freedom than any response I have seen to wikileaks. No need for a boogie man, just big corporations and cash (and an unspoken fear of losing the monopoly on publishing).

    If WL is NOT a front it gives an excuse to limit net freedom. If WL is a front it gives an excuse to limit net freedom. I don’t think you can infer much from the potential to limit net freedom.

  • CheebaCow

    Re trolls:

    I have been on the net since 94 or 95 and I can tell you from personal experience that there are many people that really have nothing better to do than stir up shit all day long. There is something about computer types mixed with anonymity that creates trolls. No matter how apolitical a forum may be, there are always trolls to push peoples buttons. I also accept that there are paid shills that push various agendas, however their behaviour is indistinguishable from that of a ‘normal’ troll. Also accusing a normal troll of being a paid agent is pretty much the highest compliment you can give them (they would probably cum in their pants). Coupled with the paranoia such speculation breeds, personally I find it’s better to not bother speculating which type of troll they are. There are only 2 ways to deal with any type of troll, banning or completely ignoring them. As Craig’s tech doesn’t allow banning, there is only 1 option.

    I really wish Craig would improve his blogging platform. It shouldn’t be seen as merely a technical issue, as it would promote and encourage a better standard of discourse and make his site far more effective.

  • somebody

    Suhayl Thanks for your reply and the comments about ‘My Father’s Paradise’.

    I am glad you are not rising to the bait being thrown on to the water by a very unpleasant character.

  • ingo

    Oh dear, all these sour grapes over Julian.

    Steven Harper’s call to use more assassinations rings a bell, maybe we should, big time.

    We could have team C doing jobs for allcomers, I want more assassinations now, and public executions, just as Saudi Arabia does, properly, in a big public square.

    Indeed Steven Harper should get a little bit assassinated too.

    And Larry whilst we are at it, Liebermann maybe, holding hands with Netanyahu and Karimov.

    How about anybody, lets say, over seventy, lets sort this pesky pension problem out once and for all, politicians for decades couldn’t be bothered to deal with all that care lark and rather than letting these old people crap themselves in hospital beds, because there is no funds left for accomodation and care in the social service budget, make a dignified assassination.

    We also could invite Tzivi Lipni, all proper and official, say that she will not get arrested but, after the fist official engagements, when darkness falls and Tzivi wants to play…. that there might be a spare dum dum with here name on.

    Anybody who spits should be asssassinated, off course if they spit at someone, like Cameron, for being dumb in Zuerich and even dumber, for not going to Cancun, this will count as mitigating circumstances.

    Crikey Yankee,. blimey limey, what a load of anger and pissed offness, the bile seems to fly at top speed these days.

  • CheebaCow

    somebody:

    I read in other articles that refer to Huckabee’s comments that he was talking about Bradley Manning and not Assange. But nonetheless what a cold prick Huckabee is. Huckabee is the most dangerous type of far right leader. He cultivates a very reasonable and friendly persona to appear likeable and appeal to more moderate voters, but when you actually explore his ideas and beliefs they are really bigoted and crazy. The guy doesn’t even believe in evolution, WTF?

    Also from your link, I find it the height of irony that Hillary Clinton can state that WL is an “attack on the international community” when it was she that ordered spying on the top levels of the UN.

  • ingo

    Oh dear, all these sour grapes over Julian.

    Steven Harper’s call to use more assassinations rings a bell, maybe we should, big time.

    We could have team C doing jobs for allcomers, I want more assassinations now, and public executions, just as Saudi Arabia does, properly, in a big public square.

    Indeed Steven Harper should get a little bit assassinated too.

    And Larry whilst we are at it, Liebermann maybe, holding hands with Netanyahu and Karimov.

    How about anybody, lets say, over seventy, lets sort this pesky pension problem out once and for all, politicians for decades couldn’t be bothered to deal with all that care lark and rather than letting these old people crap themselves in hospital beds, because there is no funds left for accomodation and care in the social service budget, make a dignified assassination.

    We also could invite Tzivi Lipni, all proper and official, say that she will not get arrested but, after the fist official engagements, when darkness falls and Tzivi wants to play…. that there might be a spare dum dum with here name on.

    Anybody who spits should be asssassinated, off course if they spit at someone, like Cameron, for being dumb in Zuerich and even dumber, for not going to Cancun, this will count as mitigating circumstances.

    Crikey Yankee,. blimey limey, what a load of anger and pissed offness, the bile seems to fly at top speed these days.

  • CheebaCow

    somebody:

    I read in other articles that refer to Huckabee’s comments that he was talking about Bradley Manning and not Assange. But nonetheless what a cold prick Huckabee is. Huckabee is the most dangerous type of far right leader. He cultivates a very reasonable and friendly persona to appear likeable and appeal to more moderate voters, but when you actually explore his ideas and beliefs they are really bigoted and crazy. The guy doesn’t even believe in evolution, what more can be said?

    Also from your link, I find it the height of irony that Hillary Clinton can state that WL is an “attack on the international community” when it was she that ordered spying on the top levels of the UN.

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