There are many thousands of people imprisoned in Uzbekistan alone who should not be imprisoned and who suffer much worse conditions than even the genuine horrors of Wandsworth being visited on Julian Assange. But the Assange case has implications for ever deteriorating Western freedoms which should not be overlooked.
Then there are many war criminals who ought to be in jail and who are not. Most prominent of these are Bush, Blair, Cheney, Straw and their crew. A minor figurewho ought to be in jail is Anna Ardin. Here are two tweets she published after being “raped” by Julian Assange:
‘Julian wants to go to a crayfish party, anyone have a couple of available seats tonight or tomorrow? #fb’
‘Sitting outdoors at 02:00 and hardly freezing with the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing! #fb’
She subsequently deleted and tried to expunge those. I doff my hat to Rixstep:
http://rixstep.com/1/20101001,01.shtml
For another avowed feminist trying to bring Assange down, analyse the use of language in this article by the Guardian’s useless Helen Piddle. For a worm like her to use words like bizarre and raggle-taggle in relation to John Pilger really defies rationality.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/08/julian-assange-celebrity-supporters
Vronsky, I seem to remember that in Jehovah’s Witnesses’ mythology, the Whore of Babylon is the United Nations. No, the UN is a seven headed beast that comes up out of the sea. Or something. It’s from Revelations, anyway.
er Qark, why should leaks about plans to defend Poland et al result in any use of the military? No logic to it. The leak hasn’t made it more likely that Russia would attack Poland & the Baltics, surely, but less.
Unless this is going to have the effect of making all the governments want to attack each other out of sheer ramped up nonsense and paranoia. Fine. I suggest pink padded suits, chocolate baseball bats and Wembley stadium.
@Technicolor
“Unless this is going to have the effect of making all the governments want to attack each other out of sheer ramped up nonsense and paranoia”
Many wars, it seems, do arise out of “sheer ramped up nonsense and paranoia.”
But when I said “this leak is sure looks like an attack on Western security” I added “as that would be judged by those in power.”
So what I was suggesting was that if Assange is prosecuted under anti-espionage laws, that is a logical and predictable outcome of his actions (unless he’s engaged in a propaganda exercise, in which case he may be protected, although he may just be rubbed out as an expendable pawn.
And what really do you think could happen instead? That the United States abandons the empire and turns pacifist?
I think the US should abandon the empire and rebuild its economy, restore full employment by imposing tariffs; rebuild its education system by focusing on academic achievement, not political indoctrination; re-energize American science and technology with some daring and magnificent public works projects — high speed monorail, reconstruction of cities to achieve massive increases in energy efficiency, reboot the space program, etc.
But whatever the United States does, let us hope it will be done in accordance with law, and that likely means prosecution of Assange for espionage.
As a virtual quark, I have to go — although as quarks of the same flavor are identical, I may be back.
Exit with blinding flash.
“Should I be boycotting them?”
You better tell us, cos I get their emails too.
i’m quite bored of their emails which is v sad as i care deeply – deeply!- about most if not all of their issues.have any of them had any effect? for aung san suu kyi (where is she?) perhaps? will look when not knackered.
virtual Qark: not sure if Assange could be done for espionage any more than the Guardian: he’s done nothing but publish, same as them (and the Speigel & NY times)
Must say, if I’d thought this whole thing up I’d think it was brilliant.
From Katrin Axelsson of Women Against Rape:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-rape-allegations-freedom-of-speech
Angrysober – not meaning to be blunt or pompous but…
No! perdition *is* a bottomless pit – so sliding into perdition is disappearing with no hope of return.
I was referring to a ‘sacrificial’ pit from which return is possible if the ‘alliance’ or ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with ‘evil’ or ‘neocon’ is rejected.
Craig understood exactly reiterating, ‘rather than the neocon side of that *unholy* alliance.’ – showing a broad mind with a touch of class.
Angrysober – not meaning to be blunt or pompous but…
No! perdition *is* a bottomless pit – so sliding into perdition is disappearing with no hope of return.
I was referring to a ‘sacrificial’ pit from which return is possible if the ‘alliance’ or ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with ‘evil’ or ‘neocon’ is rejected.
Craig understood exactly reiterating, ‘rather than the neocon side of that *unholy* alliance.’ – showing a broad mind with a touch of class.
Just as someone suggested here yesterday on the previous Assange thread you sheeple have followed a pied piper down the path of total distraction.
Your impressionable little minds have become so tied up in abstruse theorizing re-how radical feminism has got it in for poor little Julian….you clean forgot the only issue that really matters.
Who controls Julian Assange?
You guys are so thick you can’t tell the difference between a whistleblower and a pied piper.
Assange is a controlled asset run by the Rothschild/Soros financial empire. These guys declared war on your tiny little minds centuries ago.
Controlled intelligence assets are used to take in and control sheeple like you who follow pied pipers who will never lay a glove on the PTB.
Thus the promised “thermo-nuclear” WikiLeaks re-Bank of America will omit to mention that the Inter Alpha Group banks ( est.1971 ) are all bankrupt. These are the ones controlled by the Rothschild-Soros interests that represent 70% of all world banking interests.
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/wikileaks-could-go-thermonuclear-after-assange-arrest/
Wake up you mindless saps!
And Craig, while I am grateful to anyone supporting Assange on sheer principle and shedding light on his situation and pointing out the long history of smears against dissenters – what the hell has women shaving their arm pits got to do with it?
Piddle was the one who first mentioned shaving and armpits.
Must be a lesbian.
With George Soros personally funding and organising every left-wing movement under the Sun, I’m _highly_ disappointed he hasn’t given me any money for supporting this blog. Apostate – where do I apply?
rumour that he gave medialens tons of cash, apparently, but yeah, glenn, let’s go round…
i mean, it was a rumour, not fact
“Assange Accuser Worked with US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro Group”
http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/
“what the hell has women shaving their arm pits got to do with it?”
Indeed …
I used the same deoderant for several years, and that hair just stopped growing altogether. Haven’t needed to do anything about it since. But I changed deoderants. The stuff scared me. True story. You read it here.
WASHINGTON ?” The Justice Department, in considering whether and how it might indict Julian Assange, is looking beyond the Espionage Act of 1917 to other possible offenses, including conspiracy or trafficking in stolen property, according to officials familiar with the investigation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/world/08leak.html
They’ll find something.
Twitter has found it’s mark (cough) from Wikileaks to student protests and ‘sit-in’s –
Twitter rules OK! (no wonder No.10 is ‘following me’
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B73TN20101208?feedType=nl&feedName=ustechnology
fuck off
WASHINGTON ?” The Justice Department, in considering whether and how it might indict Julian Assange, is looking beyond the Espionage Act of 1917 to other possible offenses, including conspiracy or trafficking in stolen property, according to officials familiar with the investigation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/world/08leak.html
They’ll find something.
The Twitter account of Operation Payback (responsible for the DDOS attacks on Mastercard and Visa) has been suspended.
Twitter has found it’s mark (cough) from Wikileaks to student protests and ‘sit-in’s –
Twitter rules OK! (no wonder No.10 is ‘following’ me.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B73TN20101208?feedType=nl&feedName=ustechnology
Having been momentarily reincarnated, let me correct my predecessor’s last and most inane comment about the leak of information on the disposition of NATO forces in Europe.
Whether European security is responsibility of NATO or some post-American-empire European high command, the aim will be to have the jump on the Russians in the event of a conflict. That means the preparation of secret plans for the disposition of forces, including numbers and locations of divisions, equipment, transport, etc. Anyone leaking such information is surely acting as a traitor or a spy (in the view of the law, I mean, however you may view it).
In the old days traitors in England were sent to the Tower pending the chopping off of their heads, unless they were of lowly birth, in which case they would be hanged until nearly dead then cut down disemboweled and their entrails burnt before their eyes. So if Assange gets ten years in a US gaol for espionage, is that really so harsh?
Oops, Anon at 11:42 was me.
Who said fuck off?
When you can spare a minute from talking about arm pits, you might find this instructive:
http://empirestrikesblack.com/2010/12/daniel-ellsberg-exposed-along-with-the-real-purpose-of-the-wikileaks-psyop/
When you can spare a minute from talking about arm pits, you might find this instructive:
http://empirestrikesblack.com/2010/12/daniel-ellsberg-exposed-along-with-the-real-purpose-of-the-wikileaks-psyop/
Now they’re targetting Twitter! Looks like that may go down next …
When you can spare a minute from talking about arm pits, you might find this instructive:
http://empirestrikesblack.com/2010/12/daniel-ellsberg-exposed-along-with-the-real-purpose-of-the-wikileaks-psyop/
“When you can spare a minute from talking about arm pits”
If I have to read Alan Campbell’s gross remarks – and the sexual exploits of Vronsky and writerman – I’ll pass remarks about armpits, no bother.