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29 thoughts on “Sean Hoare – So Soon Forgotten”

  • wendy

    as i have written elsewhere – they all sat quite comfortably … as does cameron today ..

  • OldMark

    Guest- thanks for linking to John Simkin’s website, both here & elsewhere. It is testimony to something rotten within the MSM that he, an experienced history teacher who is careful about the claims he makes, is either completely ignored, or roped in with the likes of David Icke as a ‘conspiracy theorist’.

    On the subject of suspicious deaths (admittedly, only the ‘timing’ of Sean Hoare’s demise is suspicious at present) there also were plenty of those in the Dutroux case-

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/may/05/dutroux.featuresreview

  • Strategist

    >>”only the ‘timing’ of Sean Hoare’s demise is suspicious at present”

    The timing is pretty much the only information on the death we have at present!

    On timing, I spotted a report that there was a three hour delay before the local Herts police forensics went into the flat (I could go & look for the link if no-one else has it to hand), which is quite reminiscent of the Kelly case.

    Also the reports to neighbours in the days preceding that he thought he was under threat – also reminiscent of Kelly.

  • harpie

    “Bugsplat” in Waziristan; Jeff Kaye; FDL; 7/19/11
    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/07/19/bugsplat-in-waziristan/

    In Comment #2, Jeff writes:

    [blockquote>Off topic, on the subject of the death of Sean Hoare, […] I was struck by this little tidbit in the CIA assassination article linked in the article: “If the subject drinks heavily, morphine or a similar narcotic can be injected at the passing out stage, and the cause of death will often be held to be acute alcoholism.” [end blockquote]

  • John Goss

    We had a series over here about the dealings between the judiciary and parliamentarians, called Judge John Deed. It tackled some thorny issues but the great thing about it was it showed the closeness between high court judges and ministers, and the corruption therein. Again fiction which has been criticised for some inaacuracies, but more believable than real life.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_John_Deed

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Ah, I missed that one, John, thanks, looks good. Martin Shaw’s a very good actor. One of the good things – apart from its dealing with false flag ops, skullduggery, assassination by injection, multiple duplicity, etc. – about ‘Rubicon’, in my view, was its deliberately slow pace, its low-key plot structures, its refreshing lack of incessant wise-cracks and its characterisation; in these respects, it was much more like a 1970s TV drama than a contemporary one. I note that ‘Judge John Deed’ was a much longer series, would have been really engrossing, I think.

  • Jaded.

    OldMark, if anyone has any doubts whatsoever about the assassinations linked to the Dutroux case, then they seriously need their heads examined!!!

  • Monty's NaaN

    Isn’t it frightening what is not talked or written about in the media when it normally would command a front page for weeks? Who orders the silence ? Why isn’t it a story ? I’m curious ! I’m also getting used to it.There are so many wars on the go its difficult to keep track of, and yet…. we dont report the wars that go badly.
    Precision bombing, no casualties and a population eager to eat what we print… as long as it isn’t the truth.
    Can’t wait to hear what they’ve concocted for his apparently un suspicious suicide…
    The script writers are not keeping up with the story and that’s why everything is out of sync….
    What deal with the devil has Clegg made that keeps this farce rolling on ?? This should be nipped in the bud.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Yeah, I mean even where it is obvious as a volcanic eruption from Mount Etna that someone’s been murdered, they’ll spin it to be suicide. Think of Gareth Williams, in that sports bag. Well, even if Gareth Williams had been found with a horse’s head next to him and a note from the CIA saying “We dunnit!”, the MSM/ the political classes would spin it to suggest that, “Well, perhaps he was an admirer of the film, ‘Equus’ and perhaps he wrote thenote to implicate the CIA. As someone pointed out on another thread here, even when someone says, “Hello. Please record this: The state is coming to kill me, I’m hiding, I’m afraid” and they are involved as a witness in a case that could implicate senior members of the state and corporate apparatus and then they are found dead, the MSM and the political class will spin it as “a neighbour said he looked yellow and was often ill”, a passer-by said he was into pornographic literature (or whatever) and leading journalists will come forward to intone, “I’m convinced it was suicide. I knew him well. Alas!” The more of this kind of thing there is, the more suspicious one becomes, the more one comes to think it most likely that they topped him.

  • Jaded.

    A bit of a ramble here. I remember watching an episode of ‘Ross Kemp On Gangs’ a while back where he visited a notorious South African prison. He was interviewing one of the gang leaders about what he got up to in jail. The gang leader told him about all his privileges, which included having a personal dogsbody and first choice on fresh booty amongst other things. Kemp then asked him what happened if certain inmates didn’t go along with his commands. He asked a few different questions. The answer to every single question was ‘I kill them’. It seems to me that, nowadays, this solution seems to have become more of an easy option for the powers that be. If they are really posed with a serious problem, then they will have to fall back on the advice of the wise woman off Blackadder II. ‘Kill everyone in the whole world!’

  • John Goss

    They should never have taken ‘Judge John Deed’ off our screens, Suhayl. I think some of the episodes were getting a bit too close for the comfort of the upper echelons of Whitehall, Westminster, Royal Courts of Justice and the corridors of power. Or perhaps the writers had run out of ideas. This last week or two, with the Murdochs and Rebekah Brooks, (who I noticed Cameron called Rebekah Wade yesterday), should have given inspiration for a new series. I never saw ‘Rubicon’. Occasionally these programmes are recast and re-scripted with a new title before we get to see them.

  • dreoilin

    There’s an article here at wsws.ort which makes a huge deal about the fact that the the police said Sean Hoare’s death was “unexplained but not thought to be suspicious.”
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jul2011/hoar-j20.shtml
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    I find the emphasis on this extraordinary. If I came into the house and found my husband lying on the floor, apparently unconscious, I’d check for a pulse and call an ambulance. If there were no signs of a break-in, and no signs inside the house of a struggle, and no signs on his body of a struggle, or bruising, or any other injuries, calling the police would not enter my head. Because I’d see nothing “suspicious”. I’d be focusing on getting medical help, whether he had a pulse or not.
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    The article says, “Hoare’s health was bad after years of alcohol and cocaine abuse, but he was in rehab”. (Sadly rehab does not have a huge success rate.) Given what was said by medics about Gerry Ryan’s cocaine use and the effect on his heart, I don’t find Hoare’s death all that suspicious at all. Yes, the timing is newsworthy, but as I said before, coincidences do happen, and the man was already ill.
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    And let’s not forget that drug use – depending on the drugs – can make people paranoid. All this talk about him fearing that “someone was coming to get him”, could have been the result of drug-induced paranoia. Could have been.
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    I’m not ruling out that there could have been foul play. I just think people are jumping to conclusions. Surely very little can be deduced without a toxicology report.

  • larry levin

    Anyone recall how Blair got to become prime minister? the death by heart attack of John Smith. I watched a video once where someone before a US political committee demonstrated a Heart Attack gun.

  • Jaded.

    I said ages ago that I thought John Smith was bumped off. I would say very probable.

  • mary

    Complete paucity of information here. No name given of the coroner, pathologist or toxicologist. Were any members of the public present? etc etc
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14239849
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    Inquest opens into death of ex-NoW reporter Sean Hoare

    Sean Hoare told Panorama that phone hacking was ‘endemic’ at News of the World
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    Phone-hacking scandalJames Murdoch evidence questioned
    Police expand hacking probe team
    PM’s ‘regret’ over hiring Coulson
    Labour seize on BSkyB ‘admission’
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    An inquest into the death of former News of the World showbusiness reporter Sean Hoare has been opened and adjourned by the Hertfordshire coroner.
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    Mr Hoare, 47, who claimed phone-hacking was rife at the paper, was found dead at his home in Watford on Monday.
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    A Hertfordshire County Council spokesman said the coroner was still waiting to receive histology and toxicology results.
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    Hertfordshire police has said the death was “non-suspicious”.
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    It added there was also an “on-going examination of health problems” identified at the post mortem examination.
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    Mr Hoare’s body was discovered after police were called to his home in Langley Road.
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    The journalist had worked on the Sun before being recruited by former News of the World (NoW) editor Andy Coulson to News International’s Sunday title.
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    He was dismissed from the now-closed NoW because of his drink and drug problems.
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    Mr Hoare had previously told the BBC’s Panorama programme that phone hacking was “endemic” at the Sunday tabloid.
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    When he first spoke out, he told Panorama the then NoW editor Andy Coulson had asked him to hack phones – something Mr Coulson, who went on to be Prime Minister David Cameron’s press chief, has denied.
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    The former journalist was also interviewed by the New York Times last year in which he said hacking was far more extensive than the NoW acknowledged when police first investigated hacking claims in 2006.

  • mary

    http://yesbuthowever.com/two-murdoch-whistleblowers-dead-5000943/ – Sean Hoare and George Webley.
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    I had not heard anything before about George Webley.
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    George, for his part, allegedly revealed in private testimony to British authorities the fact that the Sky TV show he worked on in the early 90′s ,”Jameson Tonight”, had routinely bugged the dressing rooms of guests looking for scoops. Mr Webley’s charge was relevant because News Corp.’s initial defense was that the hacking at NOTW was the work of a rogue reporter. Big George’s charge threw cold water on that defense by helping to establish a pattern of subterfuge over many years at Murdoch-owned enterprises.

    At first, Big George’s April 29th frantic phone call to me (eight days before his death at age 53, details here) didn’t make much sense.
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