There is an extremely important article here on Breivik’s funding, by Justin Raimondo.
It also makes plain that not only did Pamela Geller post a string of virulent anti Norwegian-Muslim articles on her website, not only did she travel to Norway to address a hate rally, not only did Brehvik post to her website and quote it as an influence. She actively supported and encouraged those planning to use terrorism.
This is an excerpt from an email she says she received and posted on her blog:
“I am running an email I received from an Atlas reader in Norway. It is devastating in its matter-of-factness.
“Well, yes, the situation is worsening. Stepping up from 29 000 immigrants every year, in 2007 we will be getting a total of 35 000 immigrants from somalia, iran, iraq and afghanistan. The nations capital is already 50% muslim, and they ALL go there after entering Norway. Adding the 1.2 births per woman per year from muslim women, there will be 300 000+ muslims out of the then 480 000 inhabitants of that city.
“Orders from Libya and Iran say that Oslo will be known as Medina at the latest in 2010, although I consider this a PR-stunt nevertheless it is their plan.
“From Israel the hordes clawing at the walls of Jerusalem proclaim cheerfully that next year there will be no more Israel, and I know Israel shrugs this off as do I, and will mount a strike during the summer against all of its enemies in the middle east. This will make the muslims worldwide go into a frenzy, attacking everyone around them.
“We are stockpiling and caching weapons, ammunition and equipment. This is going to happen fast.
As Raimondo says, Geller goes on to say that she is protecting the proto-terrorist’s identity so he won’t be arrested. We do not know how this wannabe terrorist in Norway relates to Breivik or his other “cells”. Geller may know but the police are not asking her.
There can be no doubt at all that, were Geller a Muslim, this amount of evidence and connection would have her in jail by now. Do not hold your breath.
ps Suhayl; seems you may have touched a nerve with the accurate reminder that a) anyone sane would have reported Gellar and b) one should look to who paid for this murderer.
I reported this information to the NYC and NY State Police. FYI to all. It should be investigated especially if it can give any lead to finding some who may be in league with Breivik (or indeed if the message was from Breivik himself).
Der Spiegel article on growing links between the European far right and the Israeli Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu parties:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,777175,00.html
Individuals in the Israeli Government seem to be calculating that the anti-Islamic far right are the future of Europe.
Thanks, Technicolour, much appreciated. It seems that ‘cd’ has never heard of ‘Blue Dog Democrats’. Well, well. I agree with your (rational, adult) analysis. It’s fascinating and also amusing that I summon-up ‘CD’ in jest and rather like the genie of the Ring (or a puppet in a Javanese show), ‘CD’ appears in rigid, po-faced defence, it would seem, of both Alfred (Can Speccy) and Larry (Yugostiglitz), commentators whom one might have supposed would not nornally sit in the same corner of the (boxing) ring. Well, well, how intriguing.
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But really, you know, I would prefer to meet the Genie of the Lamp. As as sort of Urdu-Italian version (indigenous British) Cinderella (freshly-bruised from playground bullying) might say:
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“Arey yaar, bhen-chaud, don’t send me these frog footmen! Send me the British Mitochondrion. Gimme Prince Charming! Gimme the capo di capo re!”
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I sense that you are correct: I have touched a raw nerve in those two statements, that:
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a) anyone sane would have reported Gellar/ the poster on her blog, and
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b) one should look to who paid for this murderer.
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On which note, good on you, too, Craig B, for reporting the info. to the NYC and NY State police.
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Now, where was that bone? I hear the Blue Dog approaching. Or might that be, the bulldog? Ruff-Rrrrrrufff!!! Aoooooo!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WBelmO65J4
I think also that the very fact that Geller appears to have removed the sentence from her blog after the event illustrates that she is running scared of being associated with this atrocity. I would argue that that in itself is an admission of guilt – guilt, that is, in the ethical, moral, rather than the strictly criminal law, sense. If she didn’t think it was of any importance, why remove it? As often is the case, wrt Geller, it’s not so much the act, it’s the cover-up that pins them. Gellar is hoist on her own petard. Now, let’s hoist them all! Time to plough the easily accessible and also the deep web. Time for ‘indecent exposure’! Go for it. We have dogs, too. Grrrrrr!
‘Proud Norwegian’, I would like to echo the comments by others here in relation to our sympathies to those who have been touched by this dreadful atrocity.
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Thank you also for providing us with confirmation that the claims about percentages of Muslims in Oslo frequently made by the Far Right – including, allegedly, the perpetrator of this atrocity – are utterly, 100%, completely bogus.
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So, big lies and mass murder, that’s what the Far Right stands – that is what the Far Right always stood for. But who might be standing behind them? Who is in the shadows?
SS: “Now, where was that bone? I hear the Blue Dog approaching. Or might that be, the bulldog? Ruff-Rrrrrrufff!!! Aoooooo!!”
CD: “I can imagine a host more childish rebukes from you in the same vein. …
“You use name-calling, mockery and insinuations. it’s time to respond as an adult now. …
“If your objective is to keep strangers out of your own gang’s patch, you may succeed. …
“No more does this website seem like a liberal resource for rational exchange of opposing views: it simply becomes a territorial playground for a clique of permitted regulars.”
Sad.
‘For anyone else hard of understanding:in·dig·e·nous ( n-d j -n s). adj. Originating and living or occurring naturally in an area or environment. Children who are born in the UK are therefore indigenous to it.’
Thanks for that clarification Techie. Useful to get that learnt.
I now know that in future, according to your humpty dumpty definition, I should refer to the children of £10 Poms in Australia as ‘indigenous Australians’.
Thanks to proud morwegian for visiting us here in times of national grieve, there are many who feel with you. Please do inform your Norwegian friends of what we have found.
Maybe your police force will soon explain what they have found on that mans computer, what his fellow freemasons, have to say and to what extend he has travelled abroad.
Also Craig B, thanks for reporting this to the police, the more US citizens point to their ‘homeland security act’ and the lack of attention give to rightwing terrorist outrages and follow your example, report her blatant encouragement and conspiracy to deceit, the better.
Thanks senor swiffer, very helpfull, I hope you realise that you have to start the ball rolling over the pond, she has a terrible influence on young minds and the tea party is seemingly out to wreck, here, there and everywhere.
“I should refer to the children of £10 Poms in Australia as ‘indigenous Australians’.” Old Mark
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Interesting. A attempt to relate the situation in the UK re. inherent, historical polyvalency with that in Australia. Alfred tried that one, too, before. Tried to make White British people appear as though on the verge of extinction, ‘just like Aboriginals’. Hence his silly “genocide” usage. OldMark, don’t fall into that one. It’s a no-hoper.
Thanks, Mary – just saw your sturdy riposte to mp3, I mean, lp, I mean, shellac, I mean wax cylinder, I mean cd! But what’s his serial number, eh? You can tell where a wax cylinder was made by its serial number. Is he ‘brown’ or ‘black’?
Suhayl- the point I’m attempting to make is that technicolour’s use of the term ‘indigenous’ is fundamentally dishonest- not that the native population of England is threatened by genocide, as Alfred/Can Speccy has (cantankerously ?) suggested.
BTW I think you’ll find most of the south Asian residents of Leicester know that one generation’s residence in a specific place doesn’t qualify you as ‘indigenous’. Most of them are south Asian by way of East Africa, where they were resident for 2/3 generations before they were brutally excluded from their role as ‘market dominant minorities’ by the indigenous Africans.
“I should refer to the children of £10 Poms in Australia as ‘indigenous Australians’.” Old Mark
Yes, I guess you should. Or simply ‘Australians’ in fact: most people do.
“I think you’ll find most of the south Asian residents of Leicester know..”
Amazing, your insight into the minds of ‘most of the residents’ of anywhere; all the way from Canada too. Honestly, it’s like someone inserting a dead slug (I don’t object to live ones) into the board.
Personally, I’m an indigenous earthling.
‘For anyone else hard of understanding:in·dig·e·nous ( n-d j -n s). adj. Originating and living or occurring naturally in an area or environment. Children who are born in the UK are therefore indigenous to it.’
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Tech, where did that definition come from?
OldMark is in Canada?
“Personally, I’m an indigenous earthling”.
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Me too. According to the research of the human genome project, we are all descendants of only a few thousand individuals who were around 10-15 thousand years ago, survivors perhaps of some global catastrophe. There’s more genetic variation between, say, two colonies of monkeys living 50 miles apsrt in the African bush than there is between an Icelander and an “indigenous” Australian. We’re all so closely related it;s verging on the distasteful.
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Love your fellow man, we are indeed all family.
dreoilin: free online (am away from my copy of the OED)> Merriam-Webster has: “produced, growing, living, or occurring naturally in a particular region or environment”
ps OldMark/CanSpeccy/Alfred, no?
pps of course we are all indigenous earthlings 🙂
“We’re all so closely related it’s verging on the distasteful”
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🙂
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Tech, thanks about the definition. Was just wondering. Never occurred to me about OldMark. Is CD Albert too? I thought it was established otherwise, a while ago. But maybe I’m just not paying enough attention.
By the way, I’ll be spending at least one night in Leicester soon. The coincidence is tickling me … I’ll bring back a first hand report.
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(I’m kidding)
“According to the research of the human genome project, we are all descendants of only a few thousand individuals who were around 10-15 thousand years ago, survivors perhaps of some global catastrophe.”
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Is this the group from whom a smaller group set out and travelled north and east from the area of the equator? Fascinating stuff. And we were all black/brown skinned back then. Of course some idiots will deny this – say God created us all different or some such nonsense. (And then spend money on a spray-tan to make themselves as dark as possible. This always tickles me pink … No pun intended. Cf Steve Biko and the judge.)
“Is this the group from whom a smaller group set out and travelled north and east from the area of the equator?”
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Dunno. Haven’t seen any concerted effort to reconcile the genetic evidence with our understanding of human history. The dating is interesting; there are a few areas where the archaeology suggests that civilisations arose around the 10,000 BC mark: the Indus valley, Tigris/Euphrates and Lake Titicaca for instance. Definite clusters. Don’t know how our ancestors got there though, or whether they were there already.
“And then spend money on a spray-tan to make themselves as dark as possible. This always tickles me pink” Dreoilin.
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Ha! Good one! Yes, it amuses me, too. And then those who have natural tan spend money on skin-whitening creams to make themselves look pinker.
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Humanity is hilarious, a true theatre of the absurd.
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Of course, they do these things for rather different reasons, historico-culturally. The spray-tan brigade relates largely to a post-WW1 1920s association of tan with wealthy traveller (later, celebrity) to the Mediterranean just like in the new glossy magazines and consequent changing concepts of beauty.
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The skin-whitening relates to imperial hangover (in the UK/Europe), the ahistorical (largely capitalist) lie that we are in a ‘post-racial society’ (and so, according to this theory, such acts now are equivalent and also ‘neutral’ vis a vis signification and history) and possibly, in the USA, to the plantation hierarchy in the southern states of the USA/ colour hierarchies more generally in the USA. Interestingly, the fondness for fair (though not necessarily ‘White’ with a capital W) skin also exists in South Asian culture, partly because of the impact of the caste system (intensified by British Imperial input) re. Brahminical Hinduism/ ‘Aryanism’. And also in Arabia to some extent, possibly because of the desert sun(=poverty=nomad) and the proximity, historically, of Byzantine and Sassanid (Persian) Empires; water and fairness were likely to be signs of wealth, cultural sophistication and luxury.
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Enjoy yourself in Leicester, Dreoilin! Don’t do anything I wouldn’t (!)
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What was the thing about Steven Biko and the judge? Please enlighten. Thanks.
Holy fuck! The digressions from the initial argument here between me & technicolour are amazing.
To summarize-
1.Technicolour seems to think (at least when trying to argue with Can Speccy) that it is accurate to refer to second generation immigrants as ‘indigenous’ to the country where they now live
2.I rejoindered that, using this eccentric definition, the children of £10 Poms qualify as ‘indigenous Australians’.
3.Suhahl found this comparison, for whatever reason, distasteful.
4.My oblique reference to the fact that a large percentage of the forebears of Leicester’s present day population lived in Gujerat 150 years ago, East Africa 50 years ago, and England today, caused some commenters to wander off into discussions about the pre history of homo sapiens- as if that has any relevance to the initial argument.
Get a grip & calm down.
PS- I am not Canadian; that is Alfred/Can Speccy !
“…discussions about the pre history of homo sapiens- as if that has any relevance to the initial argument”
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The initial argument was about Breivik, his funding and his connections with the Geller woman. The “wandering off” occurred when discussions of race and indigenous populations started up. Since you mention it however ancient human history is key to our understanding of what makes an “indigenous” population. How could it possibly be otherwise?
Well, it’s just the way webversations occur, Old Mark. It’s no criticism of you specifically or whatever, it’s the nature of thought association, a little like being simultaneously in a room full of people and also, to some small extent, inside their heads. It’s not always linear.
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Btw, to clarify, I didn’t find your comparison “distateful”, I just thought it decontextualised and perhaps naive and simplistic. You see, the whole debate about ‘indigenousness’ has been raised by the Rabid Right; as so often before, they’ve appropriated a term from a specific other thematic area and then used it to apply to wholly different circumstances. And that, if I may suggest, if what is fundamentally dishonest. Once again, I want to make it clear that I not suggesting that you are being in any way dishonest. I just think that before using/ bestowing respectability upon such signifiers, we would do well to think about their provenance; they do not exist in a ‘neutral vacuum’. They have been introduced into the public discourse for a distinct political purpose.
Here’s a little something that I found interesting. On the Friday that the attack in Norway was taking place, and information was just beginning to trickle out about the blondness of the shooter, the following comment appeared on Geller’s website under the post about there being a “Jihad” in Norway (I’ve added emphasis):
“Its Not a bad idea at all. If you have a country that welcomes >islamo facists who rape and abuse your community and countrymen and govt of libtards looks the other way…..someone has to take the battle to the enemies of the people.
No point just sitting and blogging away. Its one way to Put fear back on libtards and the islamo-fascists. The message is clear – We can hit back.
In times of crusades he would be a hero. First martyr / soldier to the anti-jihad cause.
If he speaks against islamo fascists , he will have done more for anti-jihad cause than pamela and her band of bloggers could do in 10 years of blogging.
Of course Geller does more than blog , but Andersbreivik knew this won’t work in the land of libtard loonies.”
At the time what I found interesting was that the comment had been up long enough for several other comments to follow it, but none of Geller’s other commenters had seen fit to argue with someone who was plainly justifying Breivik’s attack.
Now, more than a week later I find it especially interesting that A: The language of this comment seems to echo things from Breivik’s manifesto — crusader images, Islamic rape, etc. — and B: the commenter refers to Breivki “speak(ing) up against islamo fascists” well before we all learned of his desire to make his hearing a platform for his views.
The comment has since disappeared, and alas, I did not get a screenshot of it, but I copied it. I saw it and, since it was removed, at least one other person also saw it.
That’s all right, ‘OldMark’: Alfred/CanSpeccy isn’t Canadian either. Perhaps you missed him saying that he emigrated there? I don’t believe he’s taken out naturalisation papers, either.
As for an argument: you don’t have one. As I said, you are welcome to refer to the children of people who emigrated to Australia as ‘indigenous Australians’, according to the dictionary definition. Otherwise, just refer to them as ‘Australians’, why don’t you?
Hardly an ‘oblique’ reference to people in Leicester’s ancestral origins, by the way: you suggested that in some way it didn’t qualify them as ‘indigenous’. In fact, it not only qualifies them as ‘indigenous’, it qualifies them as ‘native British’.