There is no cause to doubt that, for whatever reason, the support of the people of Sirte for Gadaffi is genuine. That this means they deserve to be pounded into submission is less obvious to me. The disconnect between the UN mandate to protect civilians while facilitating negotiation, and NATO’s actual actions as the anti-Gadaffi forces’ air force and special forces, is startling.
There is something so shocking in the Orwellian doublespeak of NATO on this point that I am severely dismayed. I suffer from that old springing eternal of hope, and am therefore always in a state of disappointment. I had hoped that the general population in Europe is so educated now that obvious outright lies would be rejected. I even hoped some journalists would seek to expose lies.
I was wrong, wrong, wrong.
The “rebels” are actively hitting Sirte with heavy artillery and Stalin’s organs; they are transporting tanks openly to attack Sirte. Yet any movement of tanks or artillery by the population of Sirte brings immediate death from NATO air strike.
What exactly is the reason that Sirte’s defenders are threatening civilians but the artillery of their attackers – and the bombings themselves – are not? Plainly this is a nonsense. People in foreign ministries, NATO, the BBC and other media are well aware that it is the starkest lie and propaganda, to say the assault on Sirte is protecting civilians. But does knowledge of the truth prevent them from peddling a lie? No.
It is worth reminding everyone something never mentioned, that UNSCR 1973 which established the no fly zone and mandate to protect civilians had
“the aim of facilitating dialogue to lead to the political reforms necessary to find a peaceful and sustainable solution;”
That is in Operative Para 2 of the Resolution
Plainly the people of Sirte hold a different view to the “rebels” as to who should run the country. NATO have in effect declared being in Gadaffi’s political camp a capital offence. There is no way the massive assault on Sirte is “facilitating dialogue”. it is rather killing those who do not hold the NATO approved opinion. That is the actual truth. It is extremely plain.
I have no time for Gadaffi. I have actually met him, and he really is nuts, and dangerous. There were aspects of his rule in terms of social development which were good, but much more that was bad and tyrannical. But if NATO is attacking him because he is a dictator, why is it not attacking Dubai, Bahrain, Syria, Burma, Zimbabwe, or Uzbekistan, to name a random selection of badly governed countries?
“Liberal intervention” does not exist. What we have is the opposite; highly selective neo-imperial wars aimed at ensuring politically client control of key physical resources.
Wars kill people. Women and children are dying now in Libya, whatever the sanitised media tells you. The BBC have reported it will take a decade to repair Libya’s infrastructure from the damage of war. That in an underestimate. Iraq is still decades away from returning its utilities to their condition in 2000.
I strongly support the revolutions of the Arab Spring. But NATO intervention does not bring freedom, it brings destruction, degradation and permanent enslavement to the neo-colonial yoke. From now on, Libyans like us will be toiling to enrich western bankers. That, apparently, is worth to NATO the reduction of Sirte to rubble.
The feisty zionist neocon double-speakers look like Gollum every time someone turn in the light on the room. Please bring more light.
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Their main media psyop, CNN, is running a global campaign against Slavery in the breaks of “reporting” from Libya.
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Freedom is slavery.
FreeLibyan, thanks for providing that important – crucial – perspective. As I’ve said before, I think a lot of concern centres around precisely how the Libyan people will free themselves from the likely new yoke of Western capital, backed by NATO’s military presence. The West will not just walk away and allow the Libyan people to get on with it. If one set of rebel leaders subsequently opposes NATO/the West, might NATO not then destroy them so as to have a puppet in place? We shall see. I realise the Libyan people know what they want. But so do the Bahraini people, etc. and Western-backed monarchies, aided by Pakistani troops, crushed them with extreme violence. How, precisely, do Libyans think they can avoid de facto recolonisation/neocolonisation? This is crucial, because one or both of these represent the likely tactical aims of the West. The West (meaning, those who run the West) never wants anything good for Africa or the ‘Middle East’. I wish the Libyan people all the very best for the future. Gaddafi was a violent, oppressive dictator and getting rid of his regime is a good thing. But what will the price be? Apart from the vast quantities of blood shed by Libyans, which I hope will not be in vain. Let us hope they gain true independence, freedom of thought and action and self-determination.
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Incidentally, re. the education system’s constant changes, this reminds me a little of what’s happened to the education system in the UK over the past several decades.
This is from the website of a pal of mine, Raza Rumi, journalist and editor based in Pakistan:
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http://criticalppp.com/archives/42347
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The Fauji Foundation is the Pakistani military’s economic nexus – a great force for evil.
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There is also a copied-and-pasted piece by Robert Fisk in the ‘Comments’ section and copies of adverts (in Urdu) for mercenaries. There are some links to other articles as well.
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All of this activity has the blessing and support of the West (ignore the lip-service). Where now are Sarkozy, Cameron, Obama? Where now are ‘human rights’. Human bullshit.
Syd Walker, independent journalists were deliberately targeted and murdered by US forces in Iraq. No surprise, then, that their lives are being threatened again. Thanks for the links. This should be a major media story. That it is not, says it all.
Well said. This current affair reminds me of the level of depravity recently shown by France in Haiti; just because the Hatians were demanding reparations France plots a coup against Aristide. I wonder how quickly and in what form we are all going to feel the fallout from the trashing of international and domestic law?
NO Legitimacy For Foreign Regime Change
I strongly believe that NO honorable country should recognized the rebels at all now or ever.
The NTC is a puppet of the looting West who are scrambling for oil and “humanitarian” and “rebuilding” contracts.
Although all people must reject tyranny; but bringing credible change to Libya or anywhere cannot be done under the leadership of wicked NATO, Sarkozy, Obama, Cameron, Gulf Emirs, and Islamist and terrorist mercenaries.
The so-called Arab Spring is a naked and ugly illegitimate regime change against carefully selected corrupt regimes in the Arabia and in North Africa regions.
If any state recognizes and legitimizes such take over then that is a universal approval of foreign intervention and unlawful use of force to install whoever in power.
The war in Libya is between two evils. The bigger devil is NATO, Islamists, and Gulf Emirs coalition against the lesser devil of the tyrant and colonizer Gaddafi regime. I wish both of them to go to deepest hell. But first let the lesser evil inflict huge damages and humiliation on the bigger devil.
Suhayl: “… your use of the term “schizophrenic” is not clinically accurate.” Actually I wasn’t intending to imply a formal diagnosis with that word; I was using it informally as an adjective — like using the word “manic” to describe somebody who’s merely excited (or excitable). I was tempted to use the term “schizoid” (which some people construe as “like a schizophrenic”) but as you know schizoid p.d. has very different characteristics — which Gaddafi definitely doesn’t exhibit.)
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By coincidence, I’ve been writing about the schizophrenia controversy this week. Since you raised the question, I’d chip in that it’s quite not as clear cut as you imply, and I would cautioning against stigmatising it so. Many people diagnosed as schizophrenic are holding down jobs (even as mental health workers), studying postgrad degrees etc. — mostly with the assistance of antipsychotics. I’ve found such people difficult to handle in counselling sessions because of their unpredictability and variable hostility to scepticism. Their akathisia can also be very distracting, even disconcerting. I note similar traits in descriptions of Gaddafi’s demeanour—but, like you, I would caution against diagnosing remotely on anecdotal evidence.
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As I’m sure you’re well aware, if you read the BMJ, there are plenty of senior psychiatrists and clinical psychologists who deny the validity of the schizophrenia construct altogether, and thus are reluctant to diagnose it.
While it’s possible that Gaddifi might meet the minimal criteria for schizophrenia, I prefer to reserve the diagnosis for severe cases with a suspected neurogenic etiology; I think that’s unlikely to apply in Gaddafi’s case. I reckon the power concentration has exaggerated his eccentricities, because they are not subject to normalising constraints (who would have the courage?). He seems significantly further down the line than Mugabe. (I’d question b.p.d., though — it’s associated with lack of validation.) However, I’m still fine with using the adjective “schizophrenic” informally as a descriptor rather than a diagnosis. Even that infamous weegie antipsychiatrist R.D. Laing allowed for an adjectival use of the term — definitely without diagnosing an illness.
Getting back to the original line of commentary – the acceptance by an educated populace of wars of conquest, under the guise of humanitarian support for “democracies”. First, it should be understood that the Western Democracies (USA, England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Greece, etc., etc., etc.) are “democracies” in name only. Where you have news media conglomerates whose internal culture stifles accurate journalism, there is no “fourth estate” to inform voters of sufficient facts to enable them to then become: “informed voters”. Hence, corruption explodes exponentially, in the courts at home, as well as in foreign affairs abroad. Secondly, voting results are fraudulently tabulated. Those who are not aware of the techniques utilized have been successfully deluded. So, to echo the brilliant comment posted by Syd Wall, but now in the context of “NATO is promoting democracy in Libya,” let me say as he does: “If I hear this argument put one more time I think I may scream.” But regarding the ease with which almost everyone rationalizes the necessity for ‘destroying the village in order to save it’…. I see at the root a moral vacuum, which is actually less a vacuum than a festering, deep and maggot-filled sore, taking the place in our consciences where our collective soul once lived. Blow up another child.
Suhayl; thanks for noticing my view of the matter.
Pointing to the invading and colonizing Arabs and Europeans to North Africa is not tribalism. It is a simple nationalism. All imperial nations hypocritically portray nationalism as xenophobic, leftish, racist and many other fabricated accusations. They do so while they are really sick at their homes. I am not a Pan Africanist and I oppose any mega state; I would rather say “Small Is Beautiful” and fair unity of the willing is helpful. Having said so, I am still an Africanist.
Tiny corrupt and criminal leaders in Africa are almost all the make Western rotten banks and corporations. The list is just too long to write here.
The presence of foreigners in any country and any continent is very acceptable, most welcome and naturally helpful. Any individual regardless of any of his/her attributes or origin might become a citizen once he/she integrates his/her heart; mind and interest with any indigenous/native group. This applies only to individuals and not to groups who try to create foreign ghettos. If an individual is unwilling to integrate sincerely it is very ok; but he/she will remain a refugee; a contract worker; or a residing alien indefinitely. This is the problem of the USA; Canada; Australia; North Africa; and all other old colonies.
Citizenship and nationality are not inherited but acquired. They are legal contracts with duties and rights. Even if a person is from pure native origin, which is impossible, he/she must maintain the qualifying heart; mind and interests.
Thanks for agreeing on imperialism; slavery; and globalism. I add to this list the Federal Reserve System/Banks of the USA.
Once again, tribalism is not evil at all unless it is misused like any other matter.
I always find parallels and similarities between the common Israelis with the common Palestinians, and I have no problems with both; I even consider them one nation. But I have a lot of authentic information to condemn both Jewish Zionists and Islamist Hamas; and I consider them dangers to Africa and to World peace and development. Al-Jazeera TV is one of their joint enterprises.
@ OZneil,
You say:-
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You make the mistake of comparing the Gaddafi economy of Libya to the pitiful economies of African states when you should be comparing it to other Arab states. When you do that you’ll quickly see that the Gaddafis have stolen the birthright of the Libyan people and used it to foment terrorism and revolt in Africa Europe and the World and to buy the African Union for his megalomaniacal desire to be Africa’s “King of Kings” ”
The stats that I referenced on hte standard of living in Libya under Gadaffi are not mine. One source was the CIA Factbook. The other was the United Nations.
Further, it is one thing to take gross numbers and then ignore skewed distribution. Where the general average is of a high standard, such as access to health care, education and housing, then you have a better comparative measure. Check what you posted in comparistion to the Gulf States and Arab world in general.
The billions in banks do not automatically equate to what you imply. Where is a nation to keep funds – if not as soverign savings. The issue here is:-
i) A peace-keeping force of NATO actively supporting, bombing and then advancing the cause of regime change.
ii) Overninght finding a so-called National Transitional council to support – then freezn gLibya’s national funds to disburse to the appointed group.
These are the types of factors I see operating in this NATO advanced coup.
Suhayl; off course it quite clear to nay body that Spaniard and the Basques are not natives to Argentina and Mozambique!
It is very ease to know who are the indigenous peoples in any country; but is very hard to admit that they are the legitimate custodians of the land.
A friend of mine has relatives in Libya, relatives who up until January this year had happy lives, were being educated, well fed and were living side by side with many racial and religious groups in as much harmony as one can expect these days in any country. Libya had its social problems and a “strange” leadership, but people were happy, non violent and certainly not starving or being subjected to brutality. One thing I do find very sad is out of perhaps 40 people I know in London. I am the only one who ever starts a conversation about us as a war mongering Nation and that is it us the public, who actually support and pay for NATO to break other human lives, whilst we sip our beers and watch our SKY 3D. I am talking about musicians, artists, dancers, teachers, scientists, you could say a cross section of what most people would describe as “free thinkers” but they are not. I feel there is no hope of real questions being raised here in the UK about our part in not just this, but our total lack of empathy as a nation, for any human outside of our borders being subjected to daily and nightly bombings, security checks and fear. I’d probably go to prison for saying this and too be honest I could probably do more good “inside” with a captive audience, many of whom have been incarcerated due to their lack of education and knowledge of the law but…. If London were bombed from the night sky for 12 hours, just once, it would actually do some good for the other people of the world, as empathy can spread as quickly as flu. Imagine writing that the only way you could see a public outcry as to our actions and that of our Government and NATO who we pay for, would be to know whats it’s like to be on the receiving end of a night of real terror. So come on the Rothschilds, come on the Israeli’s, come on NATO, come on Obama, come on Blair, Cameron, come on the UN, I dare you to actually bomb people who would fight back, who would hunt you down and who still have enough personal wealth left to mobilize, react and start the process of change we all need. Apart from a false flag terroist attack coming, we will never feel the fear we subject others too, I am disgusted with my fellow Brit, American, German, French and Italian (Have I missed anyone?) sleeping fat ignorant, mind controlled, drug addled, drunk, ill educated worker drones and “takers”. But I have it on very good faith that there will be only 1 in 20 of us left by 2016, let’s hope that 1 in 20 can sew, farm, fish, hunt or that 1 in 20 will be held in a slavery by those who hold the food reserves, medicine and power. An uprising ? No chance. throw a few toys out of your pram, get drunk and go back to work on Monday and talk about X factor and Eastenders, because that’s all that is understood. Pathetic Human bacteria, where’s the dettol ???
Oil wealth kept Moammar in power, but Big Oil could not allow it to be not under their control. After successful liberation of oil in Iraq it was time to turn attention to Libya. Not impossible that it was agreed to divvy up Iraq goes to Americans, if Europe (UK, Fr & Italy) will get Libya its yours.
The danger of success is that there is more oil in desperate need to be liberated, watch out Venezuela.
Never thought that I will be looking forward to China’s becoming powerful. Lets hope that before embarking on the next adventure US and vassals will have to ask for permission in Beijing.
@ Gilgamesh,
In addition to what you observe, if one were to modify Ron Paul’s speech, then there are lessons here to be learned by the UK:-
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=628367
Thanks, Tarig, for taking the time to reply so constructively. I see where you’re coming from now, argument-wise, I mean.
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Incidentally, just to clarify, my mention of ‘Spanish’ in the context of Africa referred not to modern C19th/C20th colonists, but largely to the ‘Andalusians’ (probably mixed Berber-Arab-Vandal-Visigoth, etc.) who have lived in northern Africa since the so-called ‘Reconquista’ came to a conclusion during the period, 1492-1614.
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Of course, who could say that Che Guevara (say) was not fully South American? And of course, you’ve answered that in the excellent quote below:
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“Citizenship and nationality are not inherited but acquired. They are legal contracts with duties and rights”, and “Even if a person is from pure native origin, which is impossible, he/she must maintain the qualifying heart; mind and interests.” Tarig.
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I agree completely.
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To take one other example, the tension b/w those of South Asian origin and Africans in East Africa during the post-colonial period was far from one-sided. South Asians often had – and still have – a disgraceful attitude towards black Africans/African Caribbeans, which is unreconstructedly racist (the average attitude being far worse than the attitudes of most contemporary whites). They were put there in late C19th/early C20th by the Imperial British, as ‘middlemen’ in the idiotic caste system/social class/’race’ system used by various rulers in various places to control populations. Now, what Idi Amin (for example) did was completely wrong and also was damaging to Uganda; and of course, we know that Amin, as well as being a bloody dictator who killed enormous numbers of African people, was also (yet another) British stooge. But, as people like (the originally Ugandan) Yamsin Alibhai-Brown have written (and performed on-stage in her excellent one-woman show), we must accept that what happened in Kenya (not ‘Keeenya’, as most South Asians irritatingly still insist on calling it, as though it were still the 1950s) and Uganda didn’t come from nowhere.
Courtenay, I will surely look at the video, thanks for the link. I can’t at the moment because I am using an internet connection that doesnt allow youtube vids, yes you read that right in the UK I can’t access a youtube vid. I am however sitting here watching sky sports 1 free, via my x-box using a t-mobile dongle.. you may ask what’s the relevance to this. I shall explain. T mobile provide 2gb month for £15, when you have used your 2gb (1 gb from April 2011 but I have an older SIM card) you can access emails, posts etc but can stream or download. So you may ask how can I watch Sky Sports 1, a paid for subscribed channel that you need streaming internet to watch. I have noticed that certain “entertainment” can still be watched whether you have credit or not, in fact, all sky sports, all Sky films, the BBC and Fox news, the main protaginists for global propoganda. So I can sit and watch drivel and sports for free, but not watch possibly the most important opposition in modern times share his thoughts with us. I stopped watching TV and hollywood films a while ago, last night I sat down and decided to watch X factor then big brother. I am a self educated, free thinking person who made a choice to watch these 2 terrible broadcasts, however within minutes I felt lethargic, slow, and they held my concentration… amazing ! Much like the football I’m watching is now (I like football, the actual game that is…) but the content I could have written for you in both shows, having studied a bit of NLP and having previously worked in sales, finance, media and tourism in my life, I recognise the same repetitive tactics, the same Subliminal content and indeed the same processess I used to employ, as a “successfull” magician capable of talking you out of your savings. I don’t need to fill in the dots here. If we truly want change then the network of media and telecomms needs to be dismantled. The only way I can put my feelings on this into words is this.
Imagine you are an over weight, slightly below average intelligence, 9 yr old girl. Sitting in front of the TV in the UK, looking at the amazing “creatures” with their slim bodies, lovely clothes, smiling faces and seemingly untold riches, you look around your home, at your Mother who is probably the spitting image of you, you look around and then at yourself, then back to the TV. Would you still feel human? Your brain being hit constantly by images and messages that make you feel fat, stupid and alienated. There is only one possible outcome to this situation and we all know what it is. That 9 yr old girl is already dead. It makes me very very sad.
Mextus, yes of course psychiatry is a hocus-pocus art (not a science) and there is much controversy over the whole of it, including over ‘schizophrenia’. I’m certainly not impuning people with the condition. But I didn’t use the word, you did, in relation to Gaddafi. So if it’s a debunked concept, why use it at all? If you just want to say that he is ‘eccentric’ or ‘bizarre’ or ‘unpredictable’ or ‘like a stoned rock star’, then maybe it’s better to use these sorts of descriptive terms rather than medical ones (which imply a presumptive diagnosis). Whether or not R.D Laing “allowed” (how good of him) for its use “adjectively” is another matter. R. D. Laing himself is an interesting subject for study, esp. wrt his professed beliefs versus his treatment of his own family. If you want to call someone ‘schizophrenic’ in the context of them being a national leader, then really you ought to be able to back it up with symptoms, etc.
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Another of my points was that ascribing mental illness to ‘enemy leaders’ is a common propaganda pastime of elites in the UK, USA, etc., the subtext being that ‘to oppose us is madness’. In that regard, if even the senior psychologist with the CIA (retired) states on the MSM, when asked, in a leading way, by the BBC’s Eddie Mair whether he though that Gaddafi was “deluded”, can reply that no, he did not think that and that (he thought) that “he is rational more often than not” but that he may well have a “borderline personality disorder” (admittedly another contemporary hocus-pocus term to medicalise those who seem ‘difficult to handle and antisocial’ or whatever), then maybe we ought to take note. Politically, Gaddafi may be everything people say he is, but he is unlikely to be ‘mad’ (to use a non-medical term adjectivally in the British English sense) and I think that it is not useful to position his actions within the realm of psychiatry.
thankyou Craig and thankyou Syd Walker and Tony_opmoc you guys said it all !
And whilst I applaud the efforts here of highly intelligent people educating and providing information. We are sat looking at a screen waiting to see what will happen, as is the rest of the world, and we seemingly have intelligence? I suggest we all go for a walk, talk to our neighbours, help someone in need in the physical sense. But we won’t, we’ll discuss, debate, quote, argue about who should do this and who should do that. I’m afraid the days of the pen being mightier than the sword have now surpassed us. I tried running an advert across 5 of the top UK newspapers recently. None would take an ad from me that simply read. “Love is all you need” Seriously. One tiny message that scared the foundations of our media. I would have paid the going page rate too but each sales person had to check with their line manager if they could take the ad, none could, would or would take my money. So come on guys, go sit on roundabouts near oil refineries, stop food supplies going down the M4 corridor, stop actors from going to work, stop trade for 2 days in London ar any city of the world, by using your brains for simple action. Violence isnt needed, a mongoose does not eventually attack a cobra face on, it goes around the back….
“Love is all you need”. Gilgamesh.
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Of course they fear love.
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Those ads would have cost you a lot of money, Gilgamesh. But good on you!
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Wrt action…
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‘Tomorrow Never Knows’.
Suhayl Saadi: You are, of course, correct in ascribing mental illness to the alleged “enemy” as common propaganda. It certainly degrades the political discourse to the level of psycho-babble. It sidetracks discussing anything worthwhile into a stupid argument about “schizophrenia” and other assorted mumbo-jumbo from the psychiatry crowd. When people don’t have anything constructive to say they often resort to insults. Pathetic.
“There is something so shocking in the Orwellian doublespeak of NATO on this point that I am severely dismayed. ”
Your old diplomatic days are still with you, eh?
This is NOT the time for nicety. NOT for a “severe dismay’, but for SEETHING ANGER!
I could never have paid the £80,000 needed unless I sold myh other working kidney or the spare cornea I keep in my left eye. Point was even if I could they would not take the ad from me. I knew that, I hopefully gained some listeners in the form of the ad sales people who were mortified their commission wasn’t earnt on such an easy sale. I wonder how they approached their line manager on this and whether any of them actually gave it thought for more than 27 minutes and 2 ad breaks as to the reasons why. Next week I intend to try and get an advert I made, run on independant TV. We all know what will happen there too. Call it a hobby but knowing that if any ad sales people raise objections with their bosses they will be silenced, or replaced with cheap labour from afar somehow doesnt make it worthwhile, but we do what we think is right, hence the worlds problems 😉
“NOT for a “severe dismay’, but for SEETHING ANGER!” Bonnie.
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Bonnie, as he illustrated in the ‘ “You look quite beautiful, my dear” (“What do you mean, ‘quite’?!!!”) ‘ post of some time ago, Craig is the master of the English art of understatement, in the right hands a veritable epee. Capitalisation will not bring down the warlords. On a serious note, though, you’re quite correct, Bonnie, anger is demanded.
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“I could never have paid the £80,000 needed unless I sold my other working kidney or the spare cornea I keep in my left eye.” Gilgamesh.
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Oh God, Gilgamesh (as the ancient Assyrians used to intone), please don’t do it! The kidney and eye, I mean. But yes, we’re right behind you, go on irritating the buggers in that almost ‘Yippie’ way by ‘cascading’ them with subversive adverts and jingles, it’s all they deserve!
Yes, a lot of psychiatric terms are mumbo jumbo (which was kind of my point), but there is a residual substantive issue: whether we are being lied to or not. According to widespread personal reports, Gaddafi bears certain non-trivial behavioural similarities to people who are actually diagnosed with a mental disorder, wrt sub-diagnostic symptomatic traits. The question of whether he shares the other associated psychological characteristics is well worth posing, because he is (was) was a very powerful figure. There are a lot of accusations being flung at the media and others on this issue. Are the people who perceive Gaddafi as a bit ‘mad’ really trying to hoodwink us with propaganda? If so, that’s a pretty significant conspiracy.
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I know it’s well within the interests of politicians to smear their opponents as ‘mentally ill’ – indeed, that tactic was deployed against Craig Murray; we should always be suspicious of the “official” story. But likewise, acknowledgement of this common propaganda tool doesn’t somehow inoculate its targets against psychological maladies. If independent (non-MSM) accounts point to a systematic mental weakness in a political leader, that’s worth taking seriously, by all accounts. Saying “he is unlikely to be ‘mad’” even in a colloquial sense, is an estimate of plausibility with implications for the reliability of the people who report otherwise. Based on the accounts of people who have met him, including Craig (who is well tuned to that propaganda tool), my estimate of plausibility would be considerably higher – despite my political sympathies with maligned leaders who stand up to the international military-industrial complex.
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Politically, Gaddafi should be judged by his actions, not by psychological constructs, and none of it gives a foreign power the right to depose him. But it is relevant to assessing the extent of the propaganda machine: i.e. whether to the people who say he is a bit ‘mad’ are pedalling smears with political intent. It’s worth being wary of reverse propaganda.
NATO ‘s bombing also poison the area like radio activity.
“From now on, Libyans like us will be toiling to enrich western bankers….”
Why don’t we have learned from such sad story which was repeated again and again…
Long live Gaddafi , thank-you for your tents, aviator glasses, pork pie hats, and your most excellent female body guards, you are my hero ,my wife’s hero and my children’s hero…….we love you so much…..
we will if necessary avenge NATO on your behalf……you have our promise
I applaud Gilgamesh’s comment earlier commencing ….
A friend of mine has relatives in Libya…. It is the most accurate summary of our present condition that I have read and ‘chimes’ with my hidden despair at the actions of our deeply flawed species. Everyone is going about their trivial business and seem to be indifferent. Only a tragic incident close to home might get them thinking about others.
Suhayl; thanks. I fully support the Europeans, and all nations, if they choose a policy of voluntarily prerequisite integration; together with tolerant accommodation for those immigrants who are still hanging to their ethnicity. I just cannot accept why a Turk, for example, would insist to remain Turkish in Germany while holding citizenship documents at the same time.
I think I am taking the blog away from the theme; or abusing hospitality; let us stick to the illegitimacy of regime change by NATO.
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Free Libyan,
I feel exactly as you do. I’ve been really quite shocked by people who supposedly profess to respect the rights and freedoms of the individual are so against the revolution in Libya.
One particular aspect I find astonishing is the stance that Gaddafi would not have brought about a massacre in Benghazi, which has been a thorn in his side for a very long time. When I lived there I remember demonstrating students being shot by soldiers dressed as civilians and thereafter gallows being constructed in the city centre to deal with the others. Many of the 1700 political prisoners massacred in Abu Salim prison came from Benghazi. This year Gaddafi used heavy artillery on mourners in a funeral procession.
The argument that he wouldn’t have crushed Benghazi because of the fear of a Western invasion doesn’t hold water. He most probably would’ve isolated the city, burnt the bodies, altered records and intimidated the citizens left from speaking out by threatening to torture or kill relatives in held in prison.
I think there are thousands of Libyans unaccounted for in Tripoli.