A mainstream media source has finally plucked up the courage to publish the widespread concern among MOD, Cabinet Office and FCO officials and military that the Werritty operation was linked to, and perhaps controlled by, Mossad – something which agitated officials have been desperately signaling for some days.
“Officials expressed concern that Fox and Werritty might even have been in freelance discussions with Israeli intelligence agencies” write Patrick Wintour and Richard Norton-Taylor in the Guardian.
As I have been explaining, the real issue here is a British defence secretary who had a parallel advice structure designed expressly to serve the interests of another state and linked to that state’s security services. That is not just a sacking offence, it is treasonable.
UPDATE
It seems to me the questions now starting to be asked about the connection to Israel and possibly to Mossad might well have had a major effect on Fox’s sudden throwing in of the towel. If he did not believe that resigning would stop some further investigation, he might as well have toughed it out over the weekend; nobody has ever accused Fox of being thin-skinned.
The need for answers to my questions to Matthew Gould is in fact now greater, not less.
@mary -yes indeed, and my reference to harshing with Fox as the victim, was based on the footage there. It was very alarming revelation of the direction we have taken in this country. My ongoing horror at the fate of Baha Mousa and the costs which have been incurred in that brutality, ( clearly illegal, not just immoral or the accidental act of fearful squaddies ), just reinforces my sense that major nulab figures must be called to account for their endorsement of the policies that so clearly led to Baha Mousa’s torture and death. Baha Mousa, ( my intuition tells me) is Blair’s (and nulab’s) achilles heel. These people hide behind the impersonal nature of government decision making, but Baha Mousa is highly personal and his image is becoming iconic. How Blair can see the photograph of him, and still keep standing, I do not know. My fantasy fate for Blair is life in a cell decorated with unremovable, continuous images of Baha Mousa, both with his family, and after his treatment by the British army.
Cameron is in a very tight spot here. If he sacks Fox he is creating internal tory trouble, and if he fails to act decisively he is in big trouble within the country and the blogosphere and even in the erstwhile supplicant murdoch media, who no longer have a private arrangement to provide Cameron and his government with soft and fluffy media ‘cover’. Even his coalition people, (Clegg!) are exposed by this matter. It must be intolerable for Clegg to stay in post if Cameron allows Fox to remain. If Clegg were to remain in the government with Fox still there, Clegg would in effect be committing a truly final political suicide for the entire Lib Dem party.( so far he has just been doing serious self-harm).
We need to keep up the pressure. The longer Cameron fails to act ( i.e protect seriously damaged and indefensible goods) the more the damage to him, and the coalition.
I love it, watching that loathsome lot squirming.
If only we had a decent opposition. If they don’t act, they are also seen as weak and complicit in a potentially treasonous act. The affair has the potential to be a unique ‘high’ defining moment in politics.
BBC saying Breaking News that many rumours about Fox resigning. If he does, and of course he should, the mire and mendacity behind his activities, must be given the fullest possible police investigation and if crimes have been committed, arrests should follow.
Sky News reporting Fox to resign.
(The more I look at him the more he looks like a used car salesman.)
Puddleduck. I don’t think that this affair will have the potential to be that defining moment you hope for. We have seen countless times Ministers get involved with people and dodgy deals, and usually they end up resigning and that is that. David Davis might take over at Defence, which would be a bit of a headache for Cameron perhaps, but would probably be quite popular more broadly. I don’t think the great mass of the public are even that interested in this, even if you could show, somehow, that Fox was being influence by the agents of a foreign power. This will not bring down the Coalition government.
Fox has resigned. 16.10 hrs
DLJ Are you by any chance based at No.10 or even Millbank the Tory HQ?
What will happen as a result of all this? My hopelessly confident prediction: nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing again – just like yesterday, just like tomorrow. Nothing. Yawn. What’s on the telly?
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I’ve posted this before. I may very well post it again. Sadly, in the real world, Birnam Wood is staying where it was planted.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e8avPkjRL4
Mary, no I am not. Are you?
appartently Fox has resigned
TFS
It was his connection to this outfit wot dun it apparently.
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http://www.g3.eu/index.php?page=home
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Doesn’t all of this swill and his support of it diminish Cameron?
I wonder whether there is any connection between this case and the strange tale of Oliver Letwin, caught on five occasions inexplicably disposing of confidential papers in a litter bin in St James’s Park. What a shame the Mirror didn’t think to leave a photographer concealed at the scene to see if anyone came by later to pick them up.
The basic trade craft of intelligence agencies is buying information from informants; using whatever the target has a weakness for – drugs, prostitutes, young boys or cold hard cash. The other is buying journalists and selling (mis)information to the public.
As deep green puddock suggests – many in the cabinet must know who Werritty is or at least those he represents.
DLJ wrote : “Puddleduck. I don’t think that this affair will have the potential to be that defining moment you hope for. We have seen countless times Ministers get involved with people and dodgy deals, and usually they end up resigning and that is that. David Davis might take over at Defence, which would be a bit of a headache for Cameron perhaps, but would probably be quite popular more broadly. I don’t think the great mass of the public are even that interested in this, even if you could show, somehow, that Fox was being influence by the agents of a foreign power. This will not bring down the Coalition government.”
The great mass of the public are not the arbiters of British policy, and never were. The issue is not the downfall of this or that government. What has been achieved is the illumination of a very murky area of government practice, in such a way that its practitioners are forced to acknowledge it. And the next time it happens (and it will), this will be remembered, and a few more people capable of promoting change will be convinced that letting foreign interests buy their way into deciding our affairs is possibly not a brilliant idea. The wheels turn slowly, but they still turn.
hi DLT
Defining moment? well maybe not yet but there is now going to be a period of inquest and digging over Fox’s and Werrity’s links. the protection has now gone from Fox, he is dead meat( great) which may yet lead to a defining moment. Remember that the coalition was a (feeble) attempt by the electorate to escape Brown’s follies. Cameron was not heartily endorsed-it was a grudging, lesser of two evils sort of choice
That was just a year ago. If the process can lead to more revelations, and more trouble internally, events can go out of the control of the government very quickly especially if there is widespread indignation and resistance to the economic policies being pursued by these shysters.
My normally rather staid workplace is a ferment of discussion about the latest political and economic capers. I have never seen such an interest in ‘big’ politics and economics before, not in nearly 40 years, All of the comment is becoming much more indignant and less and less tolerant of what is so clearly being done to this country by a cabal of profesional political imposters and sycophants to hidden ideological and commercial agendas and dubious loyalties.
The electorate may then be faced with all parties as visibly and palpably corrupt and unelectable. People must ask the question why Cameron chose Fox- a visibly doubtful and odious character, who had even seriously fiddled his expenses but got away with it. I think this issue has more potential to be a defining moment than you think. Clegg has also climbed into bed with this stinking low filth and self-smeared. How long do you think the coalition charade can hold up?
Obama is now looking unelectable, but the republicans/tea party are ‘throwing up’ all kinds of weird stuff that makes Sarah Palin look almost like a sane choice by comparison . The quality of the line -up is laughable.
Europe is in another transparently unworkable fudge of the bankrupt banks, in contradiction of any kind of sane policy of recovery and cooperation. We have the bank of england doing another QE? with people now openly asking why public funds are being used to prop up a worthless system of corrupt money management.
You don’t think we are in a defining moment? Wake up.
BTW a Puddock is frog, not a duck. And at the moment i am feeling a little like one of those wee extremely toxic ones that sit on the leaves of Brazilian rainforest trees and are used to provide the poison for the arrows of the natives.
One problem, no actually two problems with what you are saying Komodo. Scandal in government is common, it happens all the time. Perhaps it is my age (or your youth) I wouldn’t know. You are right, and I was right, this will not cause the collapse of the present government. But is it likely to contribute in any significant way to any systemic change. In fact, you could argue that the revelations about Dr Fox and his resignation are actually an indication that the democratic elements of the system are in good health. The free press found out about his dodgy relationships, and the Minister resigns. After all, he has resigned, so that shows something about the capacity of corruption to continue just as it wants, i.e., it can’t continue unchecked in the cold light of day.
A good day for the British system? No and yes.
Fox falls on his Zionist sword:
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http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/DrLiamFoxResigns.htm
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The 1% retreat for now – BRAVO!
There are fourteen uses of the first person singular in Fox’s letter which says it all. Puffed up, opinionated and full of his own importance. Jumped up little twerp. I hope his gleesome threesome is very happy.
The zionist madmen are hell-bent on attacking Iran… youtube.com/watch?v=QX8_nbRq0Tg
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First they invent a “terror-plot” and then make war, how unusual… zerohedge.com/contributed/no-one-buying-iranian-terror-allegations
PS Perhaps Mr Letwin will be kind enough to put the report, which is being compiled by Sue Gray – Director, Propriety and Ethics and HMU for the Private Offices Group Cabinet Office, Salary £94,999, and which most likely is now abandoned, in the St James Park litter bin. http://yfrog.com/kj5jhkej
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I got that info about Sue Gray from Sky News and found her details on this amazingly long list of civil servants who work in Whitehall.
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{http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jun/16/civil-service-organisation-charts}
The Werritty/Fox affair exposed a window into a shadow State in Britain connected to Israeli intelligence as Colin Buchanan so eloquently reveals in his comment:
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‘The British state is a Jekyl and Hyde outfit: the good doctor represents the lawful, constitutional front, Werrity the links to a shadow state directly representing transnational, oligarchical and imperial interests.’
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Fox resignation today is an attempt to rapidly close the window blinds on this affair before the ‘oligarchical and imperial mechanisms are damaged beyond repair.
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We owe a debt of gratitude to Craig for his reluctance to follow the ‘narrow’ money trail, instead revealing a much darker and sinister concern amongst forthright employees in the upper echelons of British governance and guardians national security..
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Honourableness and incorruptibility prevail and it is those traits that will soon reveal the demise of David Kelly RIP and solve the riddles currently perplexing Ant and Bridget my friends at J7.
@ DLJ. Your faith in the democratic process is touching. But as I said, it is not the demos which determines our response to world political events. The ingrained prejudices of our elected rulers are far more potent than their constituents’ wishes. These can be mediated (or occasionally mitigated) through our permanent Civil Service, but ultimately our very human leaders are as susceptible to the levers of avarice or lust as anyone else. More so, since their power is greater, and there is more incentive for outsiders to subvert them.
Nice of you to credit me with relative youth, though. It’s not visible in the mirror.
A nos moutons: R4’s latest report on Fox’s resignation names Lewis, Hintze and Zabludowicz, and also mentions the Israeli connection. Lewis (BICOM) and Zabludowicz (BICOM) are astonished that the cash was used personally by Werrity. This was not their intention. They are cuddly bunnies whose only interest is the promotion of peace and goodwill in the Middle East. Hintze (bensix alleges, BICOM) is even more appalled. He has fired his bagman for displaying naivety in handing money to Werrity. Poor old Werrity. Shot by both sides. Maybe he didn’t know he was expendable?
The continuing spin designed to keep the I-word off the front pages should be amusing, anyway.
Just read the front of The Times while in Waitrose. At last the truth is coming out. Good riddance to bad rubbish and may this run and run. It needs to be public. Shameful.
What connection could this have to the fact that the Libya campaign is an unmitigated disaster and I mean a mliitary disaster not just a propaganda one. According to Allain Jules the fall of Tripoli is imminent:
http://inthesenewtimes.com/2011/10/14/libya-alert-tripoli-set-alight/
That the attack on Sirte has obviously failed can be gleaned from mainstream media, e.g. AFP.
Consider: what are the implications for the British government of having recognised an entity, the TNC, which is non-existant, meaning the names and whereabouts of its members can’t be established? What are the implications for a British government for having backed an Al Qaeda affiliate, by any other name, in Libya and lost? What are the implications for the British government of the war crimes committed in Libya which will be fully exposed as the reality of defeat becomes apparent?
Just a thought!
Blair went over to Mossad when he covered up the reason for Richard Dearlove’s resignation. Dearlove had been working for Mossad and had signed off on the Saudi bombings black op at the behest of the Israelis.
These photos of the wreckage in Sirte serve as a lasting legacy of Fox’s and NATO’s horror enacted on the city. It was a beautiful place with a hospital and university. 78,000 people lived there. {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirt}
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049108/Libya-wars-stand-Sirte-Pictures-city-shelled-smithereens.html
Chloe Smith (another Conservative Friend of Israel and a recent visitor to Israel with CFoI) who was a candidate in the election Craig fought in Norwich North, is certainly a chosen one. She has been elevated by Cameron to replace Justine Greening. She has only been in the Commons since July 2009.
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Chloe Smith, currently an assistant whip in the House of Commons, to become economic secretary at the Treasury. (BBC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloe_Smith
The Drones, just another computer game? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/drone-virus-nuisance/
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It does bring MMORPG to a new dimension.
Must be getting dull for you, being right all the time. Still, it’s everybody else’s fault, not yours
I have noticed that a lot of the spin focuses on his, Fox’s need to resign due to his ‘misjudgement’ about mixing his personal and public lives, which, as I think we all agree, is not the real reason, that’s just a smokescreen. There are two meanings to private being mixed up here: personal, and private (meaning not public). The spin blames the intrusion of the personal, whereas the real reason is the private activities of people in public office.
The Russians should send the Black Sea fleet to relieve Sirte. Send e-mails to the Russian Embassy in London today. E-mail: [email protected]
Former Congressman Fauntroy was in Tripoli when the TNC arrived. He saw the French and Danish special forces beheading people in the street. The TNC is no match for Gadaffi’s stay-behind army. When NATO pulls out, Gadaffi and his family will be back in Tripoli in a week. So much for Dearlove’s Wikileaks/Al-Qaeda revolutions. By the way, according to Lord James speaking in the House of Lords last November, there was over a billion pounds for ‘North African terrorists’ in the Bank of England. Our taxes paid for the Libyan thugs.