Further involvement of the British state in the callous ruining of lives today. Mikel and Nina Malyshev have been taken to Yarlswood Detention Centre and will be deported to probable imprisonment and torture in Uzbekistan on Friday 21 October.
The Home Office continues to insist in asylum cases that there is no human rights problem in Uzbekistan. But no serious authority outside government doubts that Uzbekistan is one of the worst human rights abusers in the world. Unfortunately the lives of Mikel and Nina Malyshev are to be sacrificed to the British government’s agreement with the Karimov regime to provide transit for supplies to the British military in Afghanistan.
It is noticeable that, since the current British government came to power, no government minister or official, nor the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, has made a single reference to Uzbekistan’s terrible human rights abuses, including over 10,000 political prisoners, absolutely no free media or assembly, banning of all opposition parties, millions of children used as forced slave labour and torture and extra-judicial killing on a massive scale.
In fact such is the British government’s enmity towards the people of Uzbekistan I am afraid that Mikel and Nina will be sacrificed without a thought. They have been living around Swansea for years as valued members of the local community. They have not claimed state benefits and have done much voluntary work. Nina’s daughter is today in labour, brought on early by her mother’s detention. The total number of Uzbek asylum seekers in the UK is in the low dozens, escaping the cruelest regime on earth. I understand and share indignation at fake asylum seekers, but we should be deeply ashamed at our vicious attitude to genuine cases like this.
Please send messages to your own MP, to William Hague and to Teresa May, via this website. You may help save a life.
You may also wish to send a message to their own MP, Hywell Francis, who yesterday refused to help, saying “Haven’t I done enough already?” Not just cruel but lazy with it.
Hillary Clinton starts an official visit to Karimov on Sunday to mark the resumption of US arms supplies to Uzbekistan, which were suspended after the massacre of 800 pro-democracy demonstrators in Andijan in 2005.
I do not share indignation at fake asylum seekers.
That is the very indignation that was used as a pretext to kick out genuine asylum seekers.
The government don’t have a problem with massive waves of immigrants coming in to to this country. If it did, it wont be kicking out the likes of the Uzbecks. Instead they would negotiate something with the EU, that makes it harder for European Union citizens to come and work here.
Fake asylum seekers are needed for cheap labour. So clean shit from toilets and do every other Job white British people see as beneath them. Fake Asylum seekers do not cause any embarrassment to this country. They do not demonstrate, and March.
They do not work to destabilise friendly dictatorships such as the Karimov one.
All they do is work, and do the jobs we need doing but see as beneath us.
It is the real asylum seekers who are the problem. These real asylum seekers cause problems for real British people who shop at M&S. If Uzbeck cotton wasn’t farmed by enslaved children, how much more would the British shopper have to pay for the cotton undies he buys from M&S?
If Karimov the killer didn’t torture random people picked up from the streets to get them to admit Iraq was full of weapons of mass destruction, the dodgy dossier used to justify the invasion of Iraq would look weaker than it does now.
So indignation is directed at real asylum seekers, fake indignation is directed at fake asylum seekers.
Because even the Nazi BNP and EDL, and every other Nazi group will never demean themselves by doing the Jobs fake asylum seekers do. They Just say they don’t want brown/black faces here, even though they know whites will never be willing to do these jobs that everyone knows needs doing.
Arsalan, I agree with most of what you say. Not so sure that the dodgy dossier could look any weaker than it did when it was first produced and when Dr. David Kelly bravely exposed it for what it was. Ironically it’s thanks to lies from an immigrant, Ahmed Chalabi that there was such a document in the first place. Nobody in government wants to see Chalabi kicked out of this country, but then he’s rich, from money he stole from the Petra Bank in Jordan. These are the immigrants that cause real problems. They slot nicely into position with the right-wing of the Tory party who are also corrupt – and occasionally get caught.
I’m just about to write to my MP on behalf of Mikel and Nina Malyshev.
“Haven’t I done enough already?”
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Obviously not, because they haven’t been granted asylum. What an arsehole of an MP. Which constituency is that?
Arsalan,
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I can assure you that there is no case of fake assylum seekers from Uzbekistan. Even if one comes to the UK not having any troubles in Uzbekistan and claim assylum, then deporting such a person back to Uzbekistan will automatically imprison such a person. As such a person enters not just Uzbekistan but Uzbek Airways plane they are NO FREE anymore. Uzbek authorities are known for their cruelty towards anyone who thins differenly.
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Asylum seekers indeed do not cause any troubles to the society here BUT they are the easiest cathegory of immigrants from which government can claim that immigration is down. As asylum seekers has to be registered with UKBA and also has to provide their address in order to get some financial support (around 30 quid per week as oficially they are NOT allowed to work) it is easy for the UKBA to find and deport such people.
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Those who come to the UK to cause trouble do not usually provide their details and address to the authorities. And as we have seen the most of petty criminals are indeed British nationals themselves.
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One other thing that shows hypocrisy of British government is that those who earn their money by illegal means are generally allowed to settle in the UK getting so called investors visa. Many Russian Oligarchs and those from other parts of former Soviet Union who settled in the UK for good are clear example of such a hypocrisy. British government is not really bothered by how these billions have been earned. And those who come here claim asylum but have no billion quid in their pocket are facing all the mighty power of British immigration system.
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And finally I just wanted to bring it to your attention that your spelling of word Uzbek is INCORRECT.
Arsalan and Uzbek in the UK, I think you are broadly in agreement with one another, that you both despise the Karimov regime.
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If anybody does not have the email addresses of Theresa May and William Hague they are: [email protected] and [email protected]
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I’ve just emailed them jointly and had difficulty remaining courteous.
Mr Murray,
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It is believed that Clinton’s visit to Uzbekistan is not just to negotiate arms supply BUT the main point is to negotiate establishment of temporary military base in Uzbekistan (probably in the same K2) that in term will be used as a major route of supply and also when US starts to pull out of Afghanistan will be used as a major backyard of US military forces.
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There also some rumours that all these is causing great deal of troubles to bloody Karimov from China and Russia. It is believed that Russia is even considering a regime change in Uzbekistan but China is not supporting this idea as they are more concerned with possible instability in the region.
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It is also rumoured that bloody Karimov is going to get not just few rotten US military equipment and raffles but also few billions from the US for his cooperation. Some in Uzbek government and their underlings already calling this leverage of cooperation.
Zionist-in-the-UK
Have a good look at what I write. I’m sure you will find many more spelling mistakes if you try.
When it comes to Uzbek asylum seekers. The very fact that they are applying for asylum is trouble for the government. This is because the government has declared Karimov the Zionist protector of freedom, democracy and human rights.
Thank you John.
This government has never really considered torture, disappearances, execution with out trial and child slavery as human rights abuses.
They have always been been different styles and means available to UK allies to safe guard freedom, democracy and human rights.
That or the government will claim that work that the issue has been resolved and will not be repeated every time enough evidence comes to light that it is still happening.
Arsalan the stupid
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Are you now declaring that all dictators in the world are Zionists? Cooperation with Karimov is out of necessity and nothing more. I bet that some in White House and Department of State will give up their left nut to see Karimov being replaced but being located in Central Asia (between Russia and China) and having grip on power Karimov is untouchable to them.
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However; it is true that there are some string links between Karimov and Israel. But he is no Zionist and the only thing he cares is his own ass and how to keep in on the throne.
Ashamed to be British? Yes. Britain is a fascist state.
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Another case of UK Border Agency inhumanity here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-15366632
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PS Will write to Hague and May about the couple being deported to Uzbekistan FWIW. Last time I wrote to Hague I received no reply or acknowledgement.
Zionist-in-the-UK
I am sure your last post against me will not be deleted in the way many of mine against you were deleted.
Calling Karimov a Zionists, is calling that individual dictator a Zionists.
But you have used a classic Zionist tactic of of twisting my words.
A classic tactic used to shut people out whenever they mention Israel, your lord and master in unfavourable terms.
Whatever Karimovs motives of being a Zionists. A Zionist is what he is.
He is a friend of Israel and Israel is a friend of his.
I really don’t have a much of a problem with you declaring his motivation for being a Zionist is to safe guard his dictatorship.
Many dictatorships are declared democracies by America due to their friendship with Israel.
And many democracies are declared dictatorships due to their disagreements with Israel.
You mentioned what you state as Karimovs motivation for being a Zionist Friend of Israel, but you don’t seem to mention Israel’s motivation for being his best friend?
Sending him advisers and torturers to train his thugs in the means and styles of torture Israel has perfected on the Palestinians.
Well my belief of Israel’s motivation is Israel is a murderous tyrannical regime.
So it looks for other murderous tyrants to befriend.
They have no problems with Karimov enslaving kiddies to work his cotton fields. Forced Labour isn’t anything unusual to Israel. The Zionists have made a habit of of forcing Palestinian kiddies to check houses for explosives, or march in front of their soldiers as human shields.
Is there any nation that imports more enslaved women girls than Israel, in to the forced sex trade?
It isn’t surprising that Karimov is declared a democrat and a human rights champion by the people who declare Israel a democracy.
Uzbek, don’t worry about Arsalan’s crazy ramblings. Besides, the word “Zionist” is just a general-purpose word of abuse for him as in, “Oh Zionism! It’s pissing with rain!”
Well, you two can get together if you aren’t the same person.
I call him a Zionist for the same reason I call you one angry. For your unconditional support for Israel and each and every atrocity committed by Israel.
Mary, I got no reply from Hague, last time I wrote. It’s only his dogsbody gets to see your email anyway, unless your voice carries some clout.
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My MP is my best option and I’ve written to him too.
Araslan the stupid,
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I have no problem with you thinking that Karimov is a Zionist but your motivations are clearly unconvincing (to me at least). There are MANY places in the world (in Arab world are the most of them) that have no diplomatic relations with Israel but they are friends of the US and are run by regimes where most of the population is oppressed. For your information US do not recognise Uzbekistan as democracy and in many occasions they have not approved elections of president or parliament in Uzbekistan as being fair or democratic. But US has to deal with Karimov as they have no other choice.
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Karimov indeed has close relationship with Israel but this is based on mostly economic ties (Karimov’s and his thugs’ economic ties) as some current Israeli citizens have been leaving in Uzbekistan in the past and have had close economic ties with Uzbek Mafia. This is all money laundering that is nowadays run on Global scale and guess which country is playing on of the major role in it? It is Arab country called UAE.
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The other side of such close relationship with Israel is that Karimov is in fear of radical Islam. 22 years of bloody rule of Karimov has resulted to total illumination of any kind of secular opposition and the only opposition is Karimov thinks possible in such circumstances can come from radical Islamists. And on this matter Karimov thinks that cooperation with Israel can be useful in intelligence sharing and other preventive measures. Of course HE IS WRONG and time will prove it.
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As for Israelis training Karimov’s thugs to torture people, this is complete nonsense. You are probably forgetting (and I do not blame you as for your intellectual capabilities) that Uzbekistan has long been part of the USSR and Uzbek security services SNB has the best knowledge of torture and oppression that were available to them under KGB (Soviet security service). They are well capable of torturing people without being given any kind of tutorials on this horrible matter. For your information KGB (or NKVD as they were known then) were providing tutorials to Gestapo (Nazi police) on how to gain information under the torture and how to use psychological oppression.
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@WilliamJHague I urge you to stop the deportation of Mikel and Nina Malyshev to probable imprisonment and torture in #Uzbekistan
Uzbek/Arsalan – John is right, you are not so far away from agreement.
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Uzbek – please try to be civil to Arsalan. Repeatedly calling someone stupid is the best way to turn that person, and other people, off from your argument.
These people are going to be TORTURED and IMPRISONED.
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Mods you really could delete the distracting comments.
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Everybody *please* write to their MP.
Jon,
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I have no problems with not calling Arsalan stupid if he stops calling me Zionist. I do not think that expressing my opinion that might be different to his I have deserved to be called Zionist.
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I do not support many wrongdoings of Israeli government and other governments but at the same time I do not think that every sin of humanity can be explained in prism of Zionism. Many troubles of Palestinians Arabs are in my opinion due to the problem of Arabic disunity. There are over 200 million Arabs and they have more troubles with each other than something that unite them. Not understanding that Palestinian problem has to be resolved by pressing US government is one of them. If only Saudis could pressure US to be more supportive towards Palestinians or otherwise buys oil from Venezuela or Russia, but do they have guts to do it? And why always blame Israel if Arabs hate each other.
Arsalan, Uzbek, Jon is right too. It would be better to settle your differences and concentrate on the important matter of saving two people from deportation to a dictatorship where repression and torture are prevalent. Surely you both want that?
In the mean time, in an other part of the … empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP3oRwXI558
I’ve got a response from William Hague. It just says if you are not a constituent please use one of two links. The one you want is http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/ministerial-feedback-form which allows you to leave a comment.
Vicious, uncaring AND inexplicable.
Consider this- UKBA a few months ago failed in its attempt to deport back to Jamaica an illegal immigrant who claimed, on the flimiest of evidence, to be lesbian, and thus ‘at risk’ from homophobic gangs.
Freedom House (I know it has CIA links, but in this instance its rankings mean something) ranks Jamaica as ‘free’ with a ‘2’ score on political freedom & a ‘3’ score on civil liberties.
Uzbekistan contrariwise is ranked ‘unfree’ and scores a ‘7’ on both political freedom & civil liberties. (countries like the Netherlands are ‘free’ and get a ‘1’ on all counts). So how does the immigration tribunal arrive at this seemingly perverse decision to deport the Malyshev’s back to Karimov’s hell hole ?
‘As asylum seekers has to be registered with UKBA and also has to provide their address in order to get some financial support (around 30 quid per week as oficially they are NOT allowed to work) it is easy for the UKBA to find and deport such people.’
I think Uzbek in the UK is onto something here; to UKBA the Malyshev’s are bureaucratic ‘low hanging fruit’.
OldMark,
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The problem with this is in one hand that there is no much information about Uzbekistan in the UK media (any kind of information). There was something in May 2005 and then about child slave labour but nothing major since.
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On the other hand considering British law as law of precedents is it hard to imagine how one can be deported to a country with greater risk of prosecution if another is allowed to stay and has not been deported to another country with less risk. Also there are some other cases where Uzbekistanis were allowed to stay in the UK and were not deported. In it hard to judge on this particular case as we are not aware of details. But one thing is certain that if one deported back to Uzbekistan while claimed asylum this alone can put one at great risk back in Uzbekistan.
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Mr Murray,
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Have Malyshevs exhausted all appeals? Is there any slight possibility of another appeal? Unfortunately, I am pretty sure that emailing to these bureaucrats and asking them to be more human will not be any useful. Is there any chance of appealing to European Court of Human Rights, will this give Malychevs chance to remain in the UK?
“I’ve got a response from William Hague. It just says if you are not a constituent please use one of two links.”
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John Goss, you should get back in touch and tell him you are not inquiring as his “constituent”, you are inquiring as a member of the public to the “Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs”, he has a duty to answer you as that, not as an MP.
Here is something that might be helpful particularly on page 6.
http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/BB10719C-D747-4862-AE44-8A54D9B316D5/0/ENG_Questions_and_Answers.pdf
Here is something else. Page 10 item 33 in particular http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/5C53ADA4-80F8-42CB-B8BD-CBBB781F42C8/0/FAQ_ENG_A4.pdf
Uzbek in the UK,
There is an urgent request before the ECHR but they too have been astonishingly unitierested in Uzbek cases.
Thank you Mr Murray.
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It all seems like great conspiracy to me. I am trying to arrange a meeting with my MP. Have Amnesty and HRW been involved? 2 days is not too long. Is there any Human Rights Committee in the Parliament? We shall knock all bloody doors as this is very sad what is going on in this seemingly civilised society.