The media is in a frenzy about Iranian “suspected” nuclear weapon development, with virtually every article and broadcast also referencing Israel’s view.
A free copy of The Catholic Orangemen of Togo for every one who first points out each mainstream media reference to Israel’s own massive illegal arsenal of nuclear weapons.
I don’t anticipate giving away a single book.
The BBC are disgusting. They include this sentence in a report about the latest death.
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‘The death of the soldier – the 385th in Afghanistan since 2001 – gives added poignancy to Remembrance Sunday.’
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15663299
Mr Murray (and Mary, whose comments are consistent and whose thinking seems very similar to my own).
You may be interested in this article by Gilad Atzmon. It is rather enlightening:
‘This Is How Israel Runs The British Press’
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29642.htm
“Any comment that Zionists do not like, is labelled Anti-Semitism.”
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“There have long been efforts to identify anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism in an effort to exploit anti-racist sentiment for political ends; “one of the chief tasks of any dialogue with the Gentile world is to prove that the distinction between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is not a distinction at all,” Israeli diplomat Abba Eban argued, in a typical expression of this intellectually and morally disreputable position (Eban, Congress Bi-Weekly, March 30, 1973). But that no longer suffices. It is now necessary to identify criticism of Israeli policies as anti-Semitism – or in the case of Jews, as “self-hatred,” so that all possible cases are covered.”
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Chomsky, Necessary Illusions, 1989
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In other words, if you find Israeli actions morally indefensible, speak out and be proud to be an anti-Semite.
The World is currently going through a process of Mass Financial Destruction, which I have been predicting for Several Years. It is even more Destructive Than Bombing People To Death. It will kill Billions unless we work out a way to stop it. Globalisation results in Food being priced out of the reach of an exceedingly large number of people who are not directly working in Agriculture (which is most of the population)
I first Really became aware of it when in India in 2008. There were Nationwide Strikes because The Price of Food had almost Doubled Overnight.
It’s These Bastards In The City of London and Wall Street and The Corporations Like Monsanto who are doing This. Read Seeds of Destruction By F. William Engdahl.
It reads like an incredible story that cannot possibly true. Except it is exceedingly well researched and it is true.
All this is completely unnecessary, and is a Gross Crime Against Humanity and Life Itself.
But Who Can Stop These Psychopaths?
Tony
Passerby,
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“.., the business of sanctions, which simply put means the money junkies are getting money for nothing in the guise of sanction busting is a good business, and the greater the hullabaloo the better for the sanctioneers whom have learned to expect “unusual returns” , and screw the Iranians for more money by increasing their costs of doing business..”
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A particularly laconic statement considering four UNSC sanctions to date have frozen Iranian funds and Iranian assets in the same manner as National Westminster Bank (NatWest)part of the British state-owned Royal Bank of Scotland Group froze £220,000, the working capital of PressTV UK Limited as a direct result of this Conservative (coalition?) governments intervention.
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I have witnessed some of theoretical work and computer modeling by an Iranian nuclear science post-graduate dissident residing in the UK – those ‘sums’ on pieces of paper relate to expected forces and damage to underground bunkers/installations hit by variable yield tactical nukes and expected fall-out!
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The sanctions now secretly proposed by America and Britain! amount to “lethal” measures, such as blockading Iranian fuel imports or oil exports, or cutting off its central bank.
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Let me be clear, Russia, China and Turkey would be strongly opposed to such debilitating measures and would be treated as “acts of war” by Tehran.
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In the next few months GOP presidential hopefuls will be ‘banging the drum of war’ and Republican challengers will seek to make the “soft on Iran” charge stick to Obama in an election year, particularly among voters primarily concerned with Israel’s security.
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There’s no way to undertake air strikes in Iran without being ready to commit the U.S. to a fourth U.S. war in the Muslim world in the space of a decade. Israel might decide to go it alone despite skepticism among pragmatic Knesset members who believe the consequences for the U.S., Israel’s armorer and enabler, will be the same whether the F-16s that drop the bombs carry American or Israeli markings.
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A surgical strike by Israel would invoke Iran’s proxies into war, many in my frame would become soldiers and Iran would be forced to undertake a massive response in the years ahead, coupled with war in the Strait of Hormuz that could only be counteracted by an attack and occupational by US ground forces in a country three times the size of Iraq. An act that would condemn the world to cataclysm and holocaust.
Last year in Fuerteventura I was shocked at the price of a Loaf of Bread. It was considerably more than in the UK, about 3 times the local cost of a packet of 20 fags.
I thought, this Insanity has hit India, Then Greece and Now Spain (from personal experience)
How can these people afford to eat?
Meanwhile, we have the complete insanity of the US and the EU converting food into alcohol (the process of which uses more coal or oil and other energy sources such as trees – in the distillation and distribution process – than the final product ethanol contains)
But who gives a shit?
Who cares if the entire process is an energy sink – literally throwing energy away?
Who cares if Millions of People Starve To Death?
Most people believe in the propaganda they are fed, which is usually a complete load of shit.
On that subject I have got large quantities of it in my back garden rotting away. The local farmers give it away for free.
If the worst comes to the worst We will dig up our effing lawn and grow our own potatoes onions, cauliflowers, broccoli, carrots, tomatoes, chilli peppers to supplement the fruit trees. Most people where we live are already doing the same. They have their own hens (protected from the foxes) and have been growing their own vegetables for years.
Tony
Damning proof that the Guardian does not support free-speech, especially when it comes to Israel.
I posted this link just after 7pm today on this website:
An article by Gilad Atzmon is rather enlightening:
This Is How Israel Runs The British Press
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29642.htm
After reading the Guardian article ‘Why do the US media believe the worst about Iran’ (link provided by Pee above) I posted exactly the same comment and link on the Guardian website at 7.14pm.
This what I found on revisiting just now, an hour and a half later:
BarryR38
9 November 2011 7:14PM
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One suspects the reason the Uzbekistan ‘corridor’ is being re-opened by the USA/NATO is because Pakistan is no longer reliable as a conduit for NATO supplies in Afghanistan.
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It would appear that for many years, since 2001 at any rate, the Pakistan military-security has been playing a double game with NATO/ the USA. Some of the regulars here will recall that I often posed the question of who precisely was supplying the Taliban, since, in order to fight a superpower military alliance, a substantial amount of funding/training/weapons are needed. People I know – even Pakistani people in Pakistan – seemed unsure, as indeed I was.
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It has become obvious that it was the Pakistan military-security itself that was, and is, supplying the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan. So, even when the Taliban were targeting President-General Musharraf and the entire Pakhtunwala province, still they continued to support the very people who were attacking, not only NATO and the Karzai regime, but also Pakistani civilians in Pakistan. It was only when the same paramilitary forces seemed to threaten the military-security’s own centres of power in Islamabad and elsewhere that the Pakistan Military-Security decided to take some remedial action. Even then, it was strictly limited action.
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And it is obvious that the Pakistan military-security was harbouring Osama Bin Laden close to its prime military base. These people in the Pakistan military-security are not serving and have never served the interests of the Pakistani people. They are the thieves who steal the wealth of the people. It is not in Pakistan’s interests actually to have a Taliban state next door. That is a longstanding myth served-up by people like retired general, Hamid Gul et al. It is in the interests only of the Pakistan military-security to have a Taliban state next door.
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This is not simply ‘BBC propaganda’; it is what the proper Left in Pakistan – who also are opposed to NATO intervention, etc. in ‘Af-Pak’ – is saying. The main threat to the people of Pakistan resides in the Pakistan military-security complex and the Islamists whom they have created and whom they continue to train, arm support and use as a strategic instrument against the people.
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NATO is not there to help the Pakistani people. It will do its thing vis a vis resources, China, etc., and then will exit, or not, as the case may be.
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Reform will no longer be sufficient or effective. The only solution is for there to be sustained movement leading to a well-organised, popular, armed, redistributive revolution which overthrows the de fact military junta which has ruled Pakistan more or less (usually more rather than less) since the 1950s. Once the Pakistan military-security has been forcibly removed from both the economy and the political structure, the Islamist paramilitaries will have no regular source of arms, wealth or training and it will become possible for them to definitively be defeated within Pakistan.
It seems clear that the IAEA “report” is little more than a collection of malicious lies and assertions furnished by the US and its satraps.
There is no evidence that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon and none that Ahmedinejad or anyone else in the Iranian government wishes to “nuke” Israel or any other part of Palestine.
There is, however, growing concern that the reports in the Israeli media of an impending attack on Iran, and the need for an attack on Iran, may be grounded in the irrational thinking that we associate not with shia mullahs but with fascists coalesced with racists and religious obscurantists, as they are in the Israeli Cabinet.
The problem with divining Israel’s intentions is that not only is the country dominated by reactionary ultras but that it is not subject to the discipline of international opinion. This means that it is probably the one country on earth that thinks that it could get away with a nuclear attack, simply in order to maintain its reputation for canine madness.
The problem of letting a state get away with acting like a mad dog is that, eventually it becomes one, having forgotten any other mode of behaviour.
So far as Iran’s elections are concerned, the only evidence of voting anomalies ever adduced arose from a misunderstanding of the fact that Iranians are registered, generally, in their places of birth but may vote wherever they are on election day. In fact the results conformed with the predictions made by independent pollsters, with the Opposition doping rather better than expected.
For really corrupt elections in the region, friends of the US ought to examine the farce held in Iraq and called an election. Then there is Haiti. As to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Qatar…
“Damning proof that the Guardian does not support free-speech, especially when it comes to Israel.”
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The Gurudian is owned by Mthe Scott Trust, which is headed by Liz Forgan former Managing Director of BBC Radio. LOL.
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Clever innit. The radical press controlled by an agent of the state. And we know who controls the state, Con/Lib/Lab Fiends of Israel.
BARRYR38
My experience also, within the last 24 hours, after posting a criticism of the latest silly attack on Assange, (through Israel Shamir) (by a former employee now working for The Guardian). My comments are now to be pre-moderated. Or, rather, there will be none.
“In other words, if you find Israeli actions morally indefensible, speak out and be proud to be an anti-Semite.”
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Absolutely not. I am not an antisemite and I decline as much as any ethic group does to be stereotyped. I reserve the right to criticise an appalling state for its appalling actions. When Israel declares the basis for its behaviour is a necessary consequence of Judaism, it lies. It lies in exactly the same way as a suicide bomber claiming Islam as the justification for what he is about to do. There are faithful Jews who want nothing to do with the Israel project as it appears today. I am wholeheartedly behind them. I’m not Jewish, but it would be more accurate to call me a “self-hating Jew” (translation: Jews we hate ) as the Zionists, sensu stricto, apostrophise their unsubverted co-religionists, than an antisemite. Though it would be a lot less convenient for the hasbara commentators, I’m guessing.
BarryR38
Sorry to hear you have been moderated out of the Guardian debate. And I thought it was being quite even-handed in airing the comments! The Informationclearinghouse topic was much too near the bone for them, obviously. Thank goodness for Craig and his blog.
I am ever grateful for contributors’ links and book reccomendations. Only been here a short while but have learned so much!
Christ, the Zionists are so fucking self-obsessed. So are the anti-semites. Anyone who wants the argument to be based in the eastern Mediterranean has to be completely fucking mad. The whole fucking continent is fucked! For fuck’s sake! Wake up you useless tossers! The whole fucking economic system is fucked, and you are fucking whingeing about what fucking happened forty years ago! FUCK OFF!
Yes, read Steven Lendman on the subject but who is actually going to read it??? How many – a few hundred maybe – maybe a few thousand?/
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Fabricated-IAEA-Report-on-by-Stephen-Lendman-111109-889.html
Meanwhile the Official Israeli Propaganda has gone out to Billions the vast majority of who’m couldn’t give a shit, unless they have already been programmed to hate, which seemingly otherwise highly intelligent people have. They have been programmed to hate, and don’t even realise it.
You see the same names all the time, across the Internet. There are so few. Most people are braindead sheep about to be slaughtered.
The only slightly encouraging thing I found this year was when Osama Bin Laden was “finally” executed is that none of my friends believed the story, and I almost never talk about things like this with my friends. They told me. There were over 20 of us. We went for a long walk starting at Mordor (Mogador actually – theres a nice pub there – and an Incredible View if You Walk Far Enough)
But who can be bothered to walk more than 20 yards from where they park their car?
The English Countryside has been incredibly rich in free food this autumn. Absolutely Loads of Blackberries growing in the Hedgerows. My wife hasn’t bought her breakfast since August.
Tony
I have always appreciated Mad Mel Phillips, whose resemblance in the flesh to a zombie librarian is strangely at odds with her bloodthirsty endorsement of whatever Israel last did to Gaza. I particularly enjoyed one of her thoughts on R4’s Moral Maze tonight. Sourly unreasonable, as usual, she stated her objection to occupylsx; the campers were illegally occupying someone else’s property. Hearing her (“Jesus isn’t my guy”) telling Alan Green (vicar, St. John, Bethnal Green, what the Church should be thinking about capitalism was also fun. He was able to remind her that Bethnal Green is a good place to learn about social injustice, however.
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You won’t be able to get it on Listen Again. Sorry.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016x23q#synopsis
WIZ yes, the ecconomy is messed up and no, identifying Zionism is not about what happened forty years ago but what is happening now.
Because now, people don’t need to even mention Israel or Zionism to be labelled anti-Semites.
Now people are being labelled it if they talk about anything that is determined not to be within Israel’s interests.
Even wall street protesters have been labelled as anti-Semites for opposing banks.
American generals have been labelled as anti-Semites for opposing neo-cons.
It no longer means being against Zionists, but now means, Zionists are against you.
Wiz, if you have any workable solutions to the world economy, do please feel free to divulge them. We are all aware that it is f*cked, though, and your comment does not seem to advance the debate.
On IAEA and Amano, the US stooge. Report of a Huardian article November 2010.
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Bought and Paid For!!!!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29664.htm
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When Yukiya Amano took over as the head of the UN nuclear watchdog last year, American diplomats described him as “director general of all states, but in agreement with us”
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By Julian Borger
The Guardian
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As Mohamed ElBaradei’s term as director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) headed towards a close last year, Washington looked forward to the new era under Yukiya Amano with relish. In a cable in July, the American chargé, Geoffrey Pyatt, wrote:
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29664.htm
I support FIFA’s stance, this obsession with getting everyone involved in poppy wearing is OTT. S/he who wants to wear a poppy shall pleaase their conscience, fine, but to say that the whole team has to wear a poppy is poppycock.
Who has read what today (@Tony Opmoc – “Yes, read Steven Lendman on the subject but who is actually going to read it??? How many – a few hundred maybe – maybe a few thousand?”) – And others, above, similarly.
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Today, the Daily Mail has been on the newstands with this across its front page, in BIG letters:
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“Border Chief
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Goes To War”
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Just to get the right words (the last 3) inked and ready, you understand.
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– In our minds of course, comfortably settled…….
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Plenty of people on today’s trains displaying it to all and sundry.
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This’ll never be seen:
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/03/nanodiamonds-could-be-a-cancer-p.html
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Komodo said: “I am not an antisemite and I decline as much as any ethic group does to be stereotyped. I reserve the right to criticise an appalling state for its appalling actions.”
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But you are an anti-Semite if you exercise your right to criticize Israel for appalling actions.
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That was made perfectly clear by Israel Prime Minister Abba Eban (in the Chomsky quote I gave above) and by countless other Zionists. And if you are foolish enough to pretend that that is not the definition of an anti-Semite and then go ahead an criticize the actions of the Israeli Government or its agents you will quite correctly be called an anti-Semite, which obviously you are.
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The thing is, why shouldn’t you be an anti-Semite?
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No reason at all, if that is what your conscience demands, other than cowardice, that is.
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True, the Guardian and other Zionist mouthpieces will conflate your anti-Semitism with racism, holocaust denial, and xenophobia. But standing up to that kind of crap is what it takes to be a man (or a woman) in today’s very dirty political arena.
I’m not sure the Americans know what Iran has at the mo. There would be three points in time, they knew in the past, they have just found out, they will know in future. They will find out. We don’t know what it is, we don’t even know if it is nuclear. Nuclear would be so simple. A reactor is not a prerequisite to creating sufficient fuel for a nuclear reaction to occur.
Saddam was rumered to be using this method to bring something to the barganing table.
If the west don’t know what Iran has and if this is just a continuation of its middle east tour Israel and the United States are going to get their arses kicked. Yes it seems lunacy to say such a thing.
If Iran can succesfully shoot down and defend against advanced american weaponry…the United States will sink like a stone, nations previously afraid of them will rise up.
I feel sorry for those holding nuclear weapons as edge. In ten years, or earlier, a new weapon system will be ready which will defend large areas against all types of missile attack . That weapon can also simultaneously inflict catastropic losses on the receipant.
Over the last few years I have often completely diagreed with people like George Monbiot and the other bloke who got banned from The Independent (I never did that)…
But sometimes they write stuff that I think is completely brilliant and I say so (until I got banned).
To be fair I even like the occasional article from Melanie Philips and She is as Crazy as You can get…
But Monbiot’s latest article in The Guradian which I read somewhere else was so good – I actually had a look at his blog (I think he once invited me to some Green Festival in Wales)
He has published a full disclosure of what he actually earns and receives in gifts.
Despite the crap he writes I give him a massive thumbs up for that.
I do everything for Free
I haven’t earned a Penny in nearly 7 years.
My Wife and I Retired at The Same Time.
We wanted to change our lives and do something completely different before we die.
Tony
But I’m not an antisemite, Canspeccy. Much as you would like me to be one. So I guess I’ll take my principled stand on that, while continuing to make it clear that I think Israel sucks onions. Clear?
Throughout human history events occured which tople the dominant power. Can Iran do it? Someone will eventually stand up to the bully. We could be there,
@Ingo
“That from western shills who supported Saddams murderous regime, provided him with VX, built up his armament and repression regime and said nothing when he gassed the Kurds of Halabja, indeed we rewarded him with a 600 million contract within 48hrs of that massaker.”
I’m sorry but I have always opposed Saddam and any use of torture, WMDs (for that is what gas is) – I can even remember being horrified by accounts from dissident Iraquis here when Saddam was murdering there number on – Just because I believe Israel has a right to exist and Ahmadjinebad is bad and dangerous does not mean I have no critical faculties regarding the behaviour of the US, UK, Israel et al. You may wish to lump Ahmedjinabad and Assad with the likes of Allende and the Sandinistas – but the former really are not fit fit to lick the soles of the shoes of the latter.
I’m afraid I take my compass from the likes of Orwell and Koestler and have never been comfortable with ends justify the means arguments. I also remember that a whole generation of many who pretended to be on the left made complete fools of themselves by being fellow travellers and useful idiots for the Soviet Union – unfortunately many are continuing to make the same mistake.
It’s macro-economics which have “toppled the dominant power(s)” throughout history. The USA, in spite of its massive economics problems, has enormous resources and currently unmatchable military might. I think that – though other powers are rising economically – we are some time away from the demise of the post-Cold War status quo of the USA as hegemon.
Suhayl
I found what you said about the proper Left very revealing – it is interesting that it is possible to take a position against the likes of the Taliban without instantly believing that only way to tackle the problem is a military solution involving NATO. There are also those on the proper left in Syria and Iran – perhaps we should be paying a little more attention to what they are saying rather than rehearsing the same old lines.
In my experience at a personal level, when you find yourself knocked down and are almost literally in the gutter, if you stand up and dust yourself off, and just get back to working really hard, it will work out reasonably O.K., providing you don’t try and fuck over anyone else in the process of recovery.
Work hard and be honest, and you can climb back.
I never said it was easy.
I am missing my wife like crazy, but she will be back tomorrow.
Her Dad, who almost everyone thought had Senile Dementia….
Didn’t….
It was just the urinary infections and the drugs used to treat them…
I spoke to him on the phone, and he was making more sense than me (that was not a joke, but you can laugh anyway)
My Mother-in-Law is in hospital to have her cataracts done (on the NHS).
She is a Heart of Gold, Just Like her Daughter, who thought her Dad wouldn’t be able to Cope.
Tony