The media is in a frenzy about Iranian “suspected” nuclear weapon development, with virtually every article and broadcast also referencing Israel’s view.
A free copy of The Catholic Orangemen of Togo for every one who first points out each mainstream media reference to Israel’s own massive illegal arsenal of nuclear weapons.
I don’t anticipate giving away a single book.
Indeed, Stephen, that’s a very good point.
Stephen, I mean (I think I’d posted that long post re. Pakistan to which you allude on another contemporaneous thread), it’s not an immediate dynamic, and I’m not sure it’ll ever happen. But with the sort of utterly toxic nexus of/in Pakistan, I don’t see any other solutions, really. I wish I did. I would much rather there be reform – land reform and all the other things we know are pre-requisites for successful societies (health, education, etc.). Imran Khan is a good man and is not corrupt, but he takes care not to take on the Islamists or the military-security – that is why he is still alive. Actually, a chap called Taimur Rehman penned a good piece recently on Imran Khan, which dovetails with what I’d said to Mary when once she asked hereabouts about Imran Khan. I’ll post the link – but cannot right now, as the PC I’m at won’t allow me access many blogs (this one is an exceptionm, it seems!!).
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But yes, I think history has shown us that proper, lasting change can really only come from within a society – due to organised activity by many people. I guess some of what is happening across the Arab countries is emblematic of that – it’ll b a long process, even there – and Pakistan is far less educated/developed, etc. than those countries.
An interesting post Suhayl and I too share your sympathy for the majority of Pakistanis. I like to keep in mind that a campaign was conceived and assembled to fight ‘al-Qaeda’ or the CIA trained mujahideen and other militant organizations for the purpose of hegemony, world power and to feed the military industrial complex. To accomplish such a ruse Britain and America had to subvert, bribe and ideologically brain-wash militants, conveniently Islamist militants, such as Taliban and the Pakistan military security.
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When Obama’s advisers realised the Iraq war exposed America’s inevitable combative barbarity they decided to cleanse the page from history and OCC became the term for war on terror. They disinhumed Bin-Laden and dropped his body into the sea; they conjured primed drones to seek out and kill known militants on their ‘database of faces’ and they withdrew and staunched their flow of blood dollars.
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But it was all too late ‘Operation Enduring Death’ is fixed in the minds of the 99% – Now in the final months of the ‘year of retribution’ America and Britain must succumb to shame and remorse – too many white coffins, too many paralysed, too many orphans, too many traumatized and scarred for life – American and British administrations must now retreat back into their wombs until their people can deliver a newborn charity, one that reflects the will of every good decent citizen.
“But I’m not an antisemite, Canspeccy. Much as you would like me to be one. So I guess I’ll take my principled stand on that, while continuing to make it clear that I think Israel sucks onions. Clear?” Komodo.
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Komodo, yes indeed, I do agree with you.
Komodo said, “But I’m not an antisemite, Canspeccy. Much as you would like me to be one.”
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Komo, I couldn’t care less whether you are an anti-Semite or not. I was simply pointing out that the question of whether you are one or not is a matter not of opinion or fact but of logic. The term anti-Semite has been authoritatively defined as anyone who criticizes Israel or opposes Zionism. If you do either then you are, incontrovertibly, an anti-Semite. Which is fine, as far as I am concerned. Of course, if you dare never criticize Israel or Zionism, then you are a wimp. So, whichever you prefer.
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But to pretend you can condemn Israel for “appalling” actions without being an anti-Semite raises serious questions about the soundness of your logic circuits.
The human body and the human mind were not designed (evolved) for Sloth.
Unless you fight like fuck to keep them both active, some Slug(From The Bank) will Eat you.
I have an additional problem cos I am a fat bastard with myatonia congenita.
If I don’t walk the equivalent of at least a couple miles a day, my body seizes up and I can hardly walk at all.
I don’t take any drugs for this because they killed my sister. I occasionally post stuff on the main forum on this subject after reading all the detailed research about these drugs, and say you should stop taking them. I also propose something that works to at least make it 50% better and often such that you don’t even realise you have this problem.
Then I get Banned.
AGAIN
But I am still here and alive and writing bollocks and dancing round my garden in the moonlight.
I am trying to get rid of the gout. I have got to be fit tomorrow when my wife comes home and I pick her up at the Station.
Limping Don’t Look Good.
Running Up To Kiss Her Does
Tony
I reject the definition. I shall continue to reject the definition. Your suggestion is a poisoned pill, designed to associate Quakers with neo-nazis for the purposes of more effective demonisation. They’re all the same, those Quakers… holocaust-deniers, eh?
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My detestation of Israel would be equally great if Israel’s exclusive state religion were Buddhism. Its actions would demonstrate that the tenets of the religion had been corrupted (as those of all religions are, somewhere). Criticising “Buddhist£ Israel would not make me an antibuddhist. I could do so while being a practising Buddhist, in absolute conformity with the intentions of the religion. My logic circuits are fine, thanks.
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However, I know you are taking the piss, and I know that you would not suggest anything detrimental to Zionism, and those too are reasons to dismiss you as an agent provocateur and clown.
Was there something about a book prize?
Does The Independent Opinion spot count as MSM?
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-dont-israels-nuclear-weapons-count-1794275.html
Stop Dropping Those Bombs (Military & Finanical).
Stop Trying To Control – You are Complete Imbeciles You Don’t Have a Clue.
And Then You Won’t Need Either The Walls or Frontiers.
Just Let Us Get On With It.
Leave Us Alone.
You are Far Better Doing The Right Thing
Be Like The Japanese
Be a Man of Honour
Just Rid The World of Your EVIL and Take The Sword To The Devil Inside Your Soul
Tony
I have started doing it again, because it works and is complete magic. I can’t do it over the Internet.
But Anyway
Give Us a Cuddle
Now That is a Headfuck
Tony
Suhayl Saadi a bubba (a coloured person thinking he/she is white) an excuse for his origins, or a ziofuckwit posing as an Arab whom cannot read Arabic, yet he proclaims ………., give over ziophile, you are a fuckwit as good as the next settler loving bastard Stephen, and your posts wreaks so. Boy these GIYUS merchants do whine don’t they?
Injustice cannot last for ever!
I don’t engage Jewishtapos any more. They have belittled racism and bigotry by first making theirs different, and now we have it all obfuscated with the interests and briefings of Mark Ragev and his gangsters.
An example is this ADL leader in USA called Abe Foxman who apparently fights only “anti-Semitism”. During this week, his pre-occupation was not about racist attacks on Jewish people, but on Obama and Sarkozy because they both appeared to have agreed that Israel’s leader was a liar:
ADL: Talk of Bibi is ‘un-Presidential’
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1111/mic_check_f45f3b37-d7b4-4f65-8f53-43b411529146.html
Do they record such event as an “anti-semitic” attack, so their numbers would rise in next years ADL report?
These guys must be uber effeminate if they can’t be brave enough to admit their myopic racial war. I am just tired of them, and that is why I ignore them.
Suhayl Saadi a bubba (a coloured person thinking he/she is white) an excuse for his origins, or a ziofuckwit posing as an Arab whom cannot read Arabic, yet he proclaims ………., give over ziophile, you are a fuckwit as good as the next settler loving bastard Stephen, and your posts wreaks so. Boy these GIYUS merchants do whine don’t they?
Injustice cannot last for ever!
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Now, now, ‘Observer’, no need for that racist diatribe. The key question is, you an ‘Observer’ or a ‘Spectator’?
“But to pretend you can condemn Israel for “appalling” actions without being an anti-Semite raises serious questions about the soundness of your logic circuits.” Can Speccy.
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Well, that is precisely what the uber-Zionists argue. So, Alfred, yet again you are in good company, it seems.
FAO the Moderators:
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“Suhayl Saadi a bubba (a coloured person thinking he/she is white) an excuse for his origins” (‘Observer’, 1oth November 2011).
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In my opinion, that statement is overtly and unequivocally racist.
“Sucks onions”? But apart from that, woohooh and indeed, Komodo. FYI, I don’t think angrysoba would disagree, either.
Otherwise, seemed to be some static there. Suhayl, do you read me?
Hi, Technicolour, how are you? I read you!
Taimur Rehman, whom I mentioned earlier, is a socialist, rock musician, activist and academic in Pakistan:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laal_(band)
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‘Laal’ means ‘Red’.
‘Observer’ and ‘Young One’ – some sort of voyeur/ man-boy setup? Perish the thought. The clown car has arrived, and out pour an improbable quantity of the brightly clothed fellows with inflatable shoes! Yes, it’s our old friends Tugsmine and Feelback, but why the change in their homoerotic names?
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C’mon fun-boys! No need to be shy about former identifies, your relationship is a beautiful thing. All the more rampant totty for us real men, that’s what I always say 😉
Canspeccy
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Are you trying to be funny or ‘ironic’ or something?
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The term anti-Semite has been authoritatively defined
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And in support of that you provide a quotation from Abba Eban, described in the passage you quote as a typical expression of this intellectually and morally disreputable position.
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That’s not authoritative. That’s a dishonest Zionist describing his tactic of conflating anti-semitism and anti-zionism.
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So, are you trying to be funny, or are you just rather dim?
You may think it easy, and I can now dance round the garden like a lunatic on the the grass…##
So I come in, and I start preparing the meal for tomorrow (later today actually when she is back)
And the kitchen is a complete mess, and I go for the last few drops of fairy liquid realising I will need considerably more.
I look under the sink, and there is every cleaning product for everything she could possibly think of…
Except Washing Up Liquid
What Do I do Now?
Tony
Apparrently now, if you were born in Morocco,, and came to the UK as a Student and stayed here and have being the most Charitable Thing I can imagine (which my young Muslim Friend has Done To My Very Old Friend who Just Happens to Be a Catholic Priest…
You have to join Facebook and show photos of yourself and your sister and the town uou come from and all your English Friends
To be accepted back into Morocco society and work in your father’s business…
He says in Arabic, You were supposed to make a fortune in English Pounds – not spend your life looking after an ancient Catholic Priest.
He Replies, there was no one else who would look after him, and he didn’t have any money.
He’s Really Nice.
His Dad said, I Know I Have already met him at home
Tony
Reuters
Tue Nov 8, 2011
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“Israeli officials had no immediate comment on the IAEA report, which was big news in a Jewish state that feels uniquely threatened by Iran. Israel is widely believed to harbor the Middle East’s only nuclear arsenal.”
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reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSTRE7A75N420111108
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BBC
9 November 2011
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“Doesn’t Israel have a nuclear bomb?
Yes. Israel, however, is not a party to the NPT, so is not obliged to report to it.{snip}
Israel refuses to join the NPT or allow inspections. It is reckoned to have up to 400 warheads but refuses to confirm or deny this.”
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bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11709428
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India Today
November 9, 2011
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“Avner Cohen, the historian of Israel’s own covert nuclear weapons programme, believes that Iran’s aim is not to make nuclear weapons, but develop the capability that can be quickly scaled up to make one.”
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indiatoday.intoday.in/story/iran-israei-war-iranian-nuclear-programme-iaea/1/159248.html
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It took a fair bit of googling and I skimmed through many articles to find those references. Although to be honest, India Today is probably outside of the ‘mainstream’ Craig was speaking of. The BBC piece looks like it’s online only, so that kinda doesn’t count.
What do you do now Tony Opmoc…GET A FUCKING LIFE…
Suhayl,
The great thing about the interweb is that we’re all the same size, shape, colour, whatever. Me, I’m greyish, scaly and people trip over my tail, but it makes no difference here. Or it shouldn’t.
“They Would Say That, Wouldn’t They?” Moment For Today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/nov/09/conservatives-oppose-party-funding-cap
@ Turbo
“i think i am having problems to understand your logic or your english. a few comments above you were talking about cruel emirs of uzbekistan’s past.”
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Probably it is my logic, probably it is my English, probably both.
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Sometimes English known as one of the most precise languages strikes me with the meaning of some of the words.
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For instance word ‘great’. Both World Wars are called Great Wars. What ‘great’ was in those wars? More than 60 million casualties most of whom were civilians? The level of destruction that humanity had never experiences before. The weapons that have been designed to kill as many people as possible?
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Note that I did not state that both Uzbekistanis and Iranians have had a history where people enjoyed freedom from tyranny and democracy. I just used word ‘great’ to characterize the distant history that these people have had in the past. Quite often they shared common history which was also somewhat great. Kingdom of Khorezm is one good example. It was large and prosperous kingdom (not for all of course but for rulers and elites) and it was centralized (something that most of European kingdoms were lacking that time). It was eventually destroyed by Chengiz Khan.
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Also some of the civilizations known for such bad and at present times wrong practice as human sacrifice are also called in English Great Civilizations. Mayan Civilization is being one good example.
Komodo, sorry, I was a bit frustrated because anti-semites are so mad and Zionist apologists are such liars and clearly what matters most at the moment is the imminent financial cataclysm. I obviously don’t have any solutions to the problems the world finanical system is facing, and would love to hear from anyone who does. But I repeat my main point – if Italy can’t be bailed out, the Euro will collapse, trillions of Euros will be valueless, the whole banking system will crash, and at that point sovereign funds will be inadequate. So we are looking at a new system altogether, but can’t recognise its outline yet. That’s what I think is important.
@ Passerby,
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First of all just to let you know (in case you do not know it already) that getting personal does not help one to straighten his opinion and arguments but turns ones arguments to a ‘barking’.
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Now to your points.
1. Can you please provide any credibly (or any) references that support you claim of that Iraqi army was not functional army? And what do you mean by functioning army? Regular army perhaps? Following your login one might conclude that Red Army was not functioning army (as most of the servicemen have been drafted for 2 years and then sent to the reserves), although at some point it was considered to be second most functional army that was capable to control vast territory and project its power far beyond its national borders.
2. What makes you think that Iranians would want to get killed for ayatollas or for Ahmedinijad? From what we have seen so far younger generation of Iranians (those who usually take arms in their hands and defend motherland) are more and more dissatisfied with their government and with corruption and with the fact that their governments runs policy independent from its people.
3. IED that you have referenced to was mostly used not by Iraqi army that was crashed in less than a week, but by insurgency that mostly had nothing to do with either Iraqi army or with defending Iraq. They from what we have seen have their own agendas that involved sectarian and inter ethnic violence amongst others.
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I agree with your statement that ‘Russia does not owe anything to the West’ and nor I nor any Russians expect for Russia to be acting as a Western handyman. But the problem is that the anti-western approach in Russian foreign policy is potentially dangerous for Russia itself. Acting with only anti-western approach in mind Russia itself making decision that are far from those that could benefit Russia in either medium or long term. For instance Russia supports despotic regimes in former Russian (Soviet) colonies and involve China in the matters of its policy in Central Asia. By doing this Russia is not only becoming hated by peoples in Central Asia (that see Russia as defender of tyranny and corrupt regimes) but also allowing China to penetrate region and from what we have seen Russia itself is getting reduced to China’s handyman in Central Asia (region where Russia was supreme for over 150 years) and beyond.
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Revolutionary bunch you were refereeing to have long gone. Majority of Iranians today are dissatisfied with the current government although when they have overthrown Shah it was looking promising and they have hoped that changes that Homeini will bring will make their life better NOT worse. How exactly you think current Iranian regime is better than the regime of tyranny of Shah?
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You are right to state that the question here is about Iranian people and not Iranian regime. So I suggest you to ask Iranians (not Iranian regime) whether or not they need nuclear weapons (that is quite expensive) or whether they want government that improves their life and allows them freedom of choice and better social standards?
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You are right about my hatred for Karimov BUT it is not blind, just take my word for it, please. Of course I understand that reforms should (and hopefully will) eventually come from Uzbek people but Russian and Chinese involvement and their support for Karimov and alike in the Central Asia does not give people any chances of acting against Karimov and alike. Thus if the choice for Uzbekistan is between Russia/China or the West I choose the West as formers care less for Human Rights or for well being of their citizens why should they any care for those who they consider vassals.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15662122 says:
“Israel, of course, is widely believed to have its own nuclear arsenal but says that a nuclear device in the hands of the Tehran regime would destabilise the entire region and cannot be tolerated. “