The Third Man 99


This is the link for the video recording of the Public Administration Committee meeting at which Paul Flynn MP was prevented from asking questions about the role of the third man, Matthew Gould, in the Fox-Werritty plot to promote a war with Iran.

The key action starts 1 hour and thirty minutes in (use the slider). The actions of long term paid zionist shill Robert Halfon – whose whole career has been bought and paid for by Werritty’s main sponsor Poju Zabludowicz – and the neo-con committee chairman, Bernard Jenkin, in suppressing free speech by an MP are despicable. Anyone who does not believe there is a fierce Tory cover-up of Gould’s role must watch this. Anyone who believes parliamentary democracy is still more than a sham should watch it too.

Which brings me to the extraordinary refusal of my freedom of information request for the Gould/Werritty correspondence. The refusal of my request came back in just one hour and fifteen minutes – about three weeks shorter than usual – and astonishingly at 11.31pm. The FCO refuses to meet its Freedom of Information Act obligation to provide the Gould/Werritty correspondence because it would be “too costly” to do so.

But did not Sir Gus O’Donnell just conduct a full and thorough investigation into the role of Adam Werritty in association with Liam Fox? And would not such a full and thorough investigation have gathered together all the relevant documentation, and particularly correspondence between Werritty and senior British diplomats?

There are two alternatives. Either the material is already collected, in which case there is no cost to collecting it, and the response to my Freedom of Information request is both illegal and a deliberate lie. Or the documentation was never collected and the Gus O’Donnell investigation was a complete sham.

Either is not good. Yet there is no other possible explanation.


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  • Mary

    Coverage of the Independent piece so far.
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    Is Britain plotting with Israel to attack Iran?
    The Nation, Pakistan – ‎7 hours ago‎
    Last February Britain’s then defence minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister would lead eight months later to …
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    What is Britain Plotting with Israel?
    Pacific Free Press – ‎7 hours ago‎
    Last February Britain’s then defense minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister would … The former defence secretary, his best man, and the curious case of Our Man in …

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    The Independent – ‎9 hours ago‎
    Brian Brady investigates a Whitehall mystery which is slowly unravelling Brian Brady is Whitehall Editor for The Independent on Sunday. They were the Odd Couple: the men with identical morning suits, matching jackets and jeans but from radically … Is Britain Plotting With Israel To Attack Iran? Ex-ambassador Exposes …
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    OpEdNews – ‎16 hours ago‎
    Last February Britain’s then defense minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister …
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    Is Britain plotting with Israel to attack Iran?
    Center for Research on Globalization – ‎Nov 25, 2011‎
    Last February Britain’s then defense minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister would lead eight …

  • Maidhc Ó Cathail

    It’s interesting that the Third Man and the man who appointed him to be Britain’s first Jewish ambassador to Israel share a somewhat similar background.

    “My dad’s parents came from Poland in the 1910s and 1920s and met in Birmingham. My grandfather actually took part in the Battle of Cable Street in east London, something I am really proud of. The family’s original name was Goldkorn, but my dad, Sid, changed it when he went to read maths at university.”

    http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/prof_67.html

    “The [Russian] newspaper said that in the Twenties the Foreign Secretary’s grandfather, Samuel, then Shimon, Miliband, a native of the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw, had fought under the command of Trotsky ‘eliminating’ white Russians opposed to Communism.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473214/Putin-aide-Milibands-hatred-Russia-runs-family.html#ixzz1etgTZyva

    Is it possible that Shimon Miliband and Matthew Gould’s grandfather knew each other from radical Jewish circles in Poland? More importantly, what influence might their common ideological heritage have played in David Miliband’s decision to send Gould as Britain’s “Man in Tel Aviv.”

  • John Goss

    Nuid, thanks for posting the Independent article and getting the topic back on line after Caspeccy’s attempt to divert. And apologies for rising to the bait.
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    “Clearly not satisfied with the efforts of Sir Gus and his attempts to question him last week, Paul Flynn is calling for a wider investigation. He said: “Witnesses before a select committee have said that the inquiry into the Werritty affair was rushed and inadequate, and possibly in breach of the ministerial code as it was not conducted by the only person who is the enforcer of the code: the independent adviser on ministerial affairs [Sir Philip Mawer].”
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    I recall Craig writing before the Gus O’Donnell inquiry (if it can be called such) that a source close to O’Donnell, informed him that this was going to be rushed through and painted over with a wide, white brush. And that is exactly what happened, and what continues to happen. But I’m so gald that it is in the proprietary press (Mary doesn’t like mainstream).

  • johnf

    I’ve always suspected that far right BNP etc posters on sites like this are deliberately run by the Hasbara so that they can then discredit the site as being a nest of anti-semitism.

  • Franz

    CanSpeccy:
    “But it seems to be a general rule here, that any reference to the fraudulence of the BNP or the EDL triggers a smear attack. That’s quite interesting, isn’t it.”
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    Yes it is, but I found your claim that immigration amounts to genocide hysterical (in the literal sense), and that’s putting it kindly.

  • arsalan

    Democracy is hypocrisy.
    What I mean by democracy is the form it exists here, which the white man imposes on what they call the lesser races by means of war and genocide.

    We the “lesser races” should find our own examples and roles models to set up a state system. One independent of the Judo-Christian, Greek Roman system whites claim to be inspired by.

    You have your system, derived from your history, your culture, your religion and way of life, and we need to derive our own from ours.
    So F your Democracy, it doesn’t even work in your own country.
    We need to seek our inspiration from our example, Our Prophet pbh and the book he came with, and the people who ruled after him.
    When we do set up a state, lets see whose system works better, and offers the people a way that is more representative.

    Your system is top down, you elect some people. And they get one with it, away from your site and mind.
    I believe our system is more bottom up.
    People in a house consult each other on how to run it, with one person leading.
    The leaders of Houses in a road consult each other on how to run the affairs of the road, with one person leading it.
    leaders of roads in a locality consult each other on the affairs of the locality with one person leading it.
    Leaders of localities –> cities and provinces.
    Cities and provinces states and countries.
    States and countries — the Khilafah

    That is our system, and I think it is better than yours

  • craig Post author

    Anno,

    Stephen was an English lawyer who was paid to disrupt the site. He took over from the US lawyer Larry who had the job previously.

  • nuid

    “Stephen was an English lawyer who was paid to disrupt the site. He took over from the US lawyer Larry who had the job previously.”
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    I wondered about that. Larry disappeared and Stephen arrived. But he’s not very bright for a lawyer is he? I mean, I thought lawyers could spell, at least …

  • nuid

    “I tend to agree but please don’t dignify them as “posters.” They are “commenters”.”
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    There seems to be a little confusion around about “blogging”. The only one who “blogs” or “posts” here is Craig. What’s underneath are comments.

  • Clanger

    Off topic slightly, but I’ve noticed recently that both You Tube and The Guardian seem to have a filtering system on their comments sections that prevent use of the word Zionist (in You Tube’s case in relation to overtly Zionist clips featuring Gould or any of our wonderful govt. ministers). The Guardian will also refuse to allow anything mentioning Libya.

  • Komodo

    Canspeccy claimed not to know what the EDL was a couple of weeks ago. Now he’s fighting its corner? From Canada? Come on. More likely Mark Steyn in drag.

  • strangetown

    Hi Craig, concerning your FOI request: Rather than think in financial terms it might be better to think “too costly to who?”.

  • Franz

    Anno:
    “What about me, can I get paid?”
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    Sure you can, visit a site like http://www.payperpostforum.com/ or http://www.qualityposts.com/PayPerPostPaidForumPosting.php, and pick your subject matter!
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    On all Internet forums there pop up, from time to time, contributors who are paid to post. You can spot them immediately: they always divert the debate to a single issue, they have a huge number of “facts” at their fingertips, and their arguments are articulate, but at the same time glib and evasive.

  • Franz

    Anno:
    “What about me, can I get paid?”
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    Sure you can, visit a site like http://www.payperpostforum.com/ or http://www.qualityposts.com/PayPerPostPaidForumPosting.php, and pick your subject matter!
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    On all Internet forums there appear, from time to time, contributors who are paid to post. You can spot them immediately: they always divert the debate to a single issue, they have a huge number of “facts” at their fingertips, and their arguments are articulate, but at the same time glib and evasive.

  • Franz

    Anno:
    “What about me, can I get paid?”
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    Sure you can, visit a pay-per-post site and pick your subject matter!
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    On all Internet forums there appear, from time to time, contributors who are paid to post. You can spot them immediately: they always divert the debate to a single issue, they have a huge number of “facts” at their fingertips, and their arguments are articulate, but at the same time glib and evasive.

  • Komodo

    From the memory hole: another question that was never answered.
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    U.S. link to UK defence office

    Why does Defence Secretary Liam Fox have an American, Luke Coffey, with links to U.S. intelligence, working as his special adviser?

    When Labour MP and former armed forces minister Kevan Jones tabled a question about the nationality of the Government’s special advisers, it was blocked by Cabinet minister Francis Maude on the grounds that it was ‘personal’.

    Perhaps I am mistaken, but I don’t imagine there is a Brit working in the office of the U.S. Defence Secretary. Fox’s ‘special relationship’ warrants further inquiry.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1284520/PETER-MCKAY-Dave-plays-bad-cop-nice-Nick.html
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    “Personal?” WTF is personal about us paying for an American to work for a minister?

  • Franz

    [Continuing from previous comment] Also, they frequently resort to ridicule and insult of people who disagree with them, rather than addressing their arguments.

  • anon

    Canspeccy
    Look, I gave you an explanation. I cannot give you an understanding.
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    You didn’t say anything about Question Time in your original comment. You said “The only party that stands against these wars…”. It’s not true, there are others.
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    Have considered anger management courses?

  • Rehmat

    Britain has long been controlled by Zionists (both Jews and Christians). It was British Foreign Secretary, Balfour, who played midwife to the Jewish state in Palestine in 1917. Since the establishment of Israel, Britain like the US has practically become a ‘colony’ of the Zionist regime.

    British current Prime Minister David Cameron boasted his Jewish family root while the Opposition is lead by Ed Milliband, 101% Jewish.

    British Foreign Secretary, William Hague, had assured the British Friends of Israel: “I am a natural friend of Israel”, and to prove it he asserted that “it would be a mistake to ever rule out military action against Iran”, reported by the Jewish Chronicle.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/hague-i-will-fight-iran-for-israel/

  • anon

    Canspeccy
    I’ve now read your 2009 Guardian link re Nick Griffin. It doesn’t mention anything at all about opposing war. As far as I can see the reason people were expressing support for him had nothing to do with a position on war.
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    Your misrepresentations, followed by hostility and aggression and distortions when challenged, are getting to be predictable. Are you paid to disrupt the site too?

  • Mary

    Thanks for the info on Stephen Craig. I am not being wise after the event but I knew straight away what he was and what he was here to do. He knew that I knew. Some here were corresponded with him as if he was a genuine guy. Out with these scourges on humanity.
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    More from Medialens.
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    Posted by Neil Clark on November 27, 2011, 12:15 pm, in reply to “So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? NOM”
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    Craig Murray deserves a medal for all the hard work he has done on this story. He certainly won’t be getting one from the government!
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    http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/2011/11/craig-murray-on-fox-werrity-and-gould.html

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    Re: So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? NOM
    Posted by alquds43 on November 27, 2011, 1:09 pm, in reply to “Re: So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? NOM”

    Well done Craig Murray.
    Well said Ken , RhG and Neil Clark.
    The cat is out of the bag!!
    Keep your eyes peeled, your ears unplugged and ENJOY

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Oddie,
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    $4.8 billion is in comparison to the $1.6 trillion that the US is spending each year on war and planning for war, that number is roughly what the Pentagon plans to spend over the next year on child care and youth programs, morale and recreation programs and commissaries on its bases!
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    Thank-you – Succinct comment and absolutely true – that sad fact has been pressed home in the latest UN vote on cluster munitions in which America refused an immediate ban and added clauses designed to weaken the 2008 Oslo agreement. Britain also supplies cluster bombs to Israel who dropped 1 million of them during the 3 day Lebanon cease-fire.
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    Around 10% of these bomblets fail to explode and normally end up dangling in trees, bushes and bombed buildings where their glittering metal-work attracts inquisitive children searching for anything to sell. 23% of maimed children in Iraq have lost their lives or limbs from these deadly bomblets and I believe these post-war booby traps are an intentional part of slaughtering civilians to achieve total capitulation way beyond a white flag.
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    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1126/cluster_bomb.html

  • anno

    UK special forces are the snipers in Libya, to shoehorn a jihadist-led revolt against Assad. Their purpose is to create a mess like Northern Ireland which cannot be unpicked for generations. Have we seen any movement in Afghanistan in the last ten years, except strengthening the Taliban and weakening security for civilians. The jihadist purpose is to take advantage of the divided society in order to bend it towards its own will, against their own inclination to freedom.
    The jihadists love dominating people because they have all been victims of government torture sponsored by guess who – the UK.
    They love the fruits of socialism, bringing up their families in the safety net of post socialist UK. The freedom they enjoy in this country is not their plan for the Muslim populations they conspire with the UK to control. And they will not succeed, because ordinary people have a brighter vision of Islam than their one, enslavement to corrupt mullahs who have very little understanding of or obedience to Islam. The only way for Islam to succeed is for Islam to reform, and for the mad political human wrecks of our illegal torture to be isolated – in Asylum – in the Victorian sense of the word, for a very long time.

  • stephen

    “Anno,

    Stephen was an English lawyer who was paid to disrupt the site. He took over from the US lawyer Larry who had the job previously.”

    This is of course libellous – and just demonstrates the very low standard of proof you employ to support your assertions. Might I suggest that those with an independent and sceptical cast of mind who still read this blog please remember that the inclination to lie and distort in order to make a case is someting that is not confined to the targets of this blog and that there are often alternative views that fit with neither view of the world.

    PS the Independent has not questioned why GOD lied – that is entirely your words not the Independent’s

  • anno

    Stephen
    You sound more and more like a provincial solicitor who spends his time conning wealthy old ladies and defending youths who swear at policemen, which I have done in my time. Go back to the sticks where you belong and don’t forget to poison the tea. It helps them to die faster, reduces the risk of detection, and boosts cashflow.

  • Ralph Mugglewump

    defending youths who swear at policemen
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    Youths have a perfect right to swear at policemen.

  • Omar K

    Stephen
    This is of course libellous
    It’s not libellous because you’re anonymous on here. Once again your trolling gives you away; either very very dim or just argumentative for the sake of it.

  • wendy

    “Anyone who does not believe there is a fierce Tory cover-up of Gould’s role must watch this. Anyone who believes parliamentary democracy is still more than a sham should watch it too.”
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    the issue is .. Camerons role and what did he know and when ..

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