UPDATE In response to the outraged, my position is simple. The Iraq War killed hundreds of thousands and maimed millions. Dead or wounded included over a million children. Those who planned the Iraq war, including those who used media positions to propagandise for it, have lost entitlement to the signs of society’s respect.
The world will undoubtedly be a duller place without Christopher Hitchens. Oh, and a better one too.
British journalism is full of people of the same generationwho have lurched from the Trotskyist far left to a crazed neo-con agenda with no intervening period of sanity. I suspect the available riches for zionist propagandists are a major factor. Hitchens, Aaronovitch, Phillips, Cohen. You can probably think of others. A strange and extremely unpleasant manifestation of intellectual prostitution.
I have a feeling that Mary is an anti-Semite. Certainly George Orwell would have considered her so
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rofl,rofl,rofl,rofl,
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Also the list of antisemites includes; Bishop Desmond Tutu, along with a whole host of others whom have dared to ever question the Sacred Ones (voice over).
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However 9/11 attacks could not have happened without the implicit aid , an complicit collusion of the Israeli Security companies in all three airports involved, and in WTC too. So letting the fox guard the hen-house is a practice that is so “Normal”, just like the “grieving” dancing Israelis, who were not seen by anybody, but were picked up by the cops all the same because the cops were antisemites too.
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Further those Israelis picked up in a van loaded full of explosives in the vicinity of the bridge, were Arabs dressed as Israelis!!!!!!!!!!
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This must be my sixth attempt to post this to the lady who apparently is in the undertaking business & is trying to increase her business by posting suicide inducing tributes!
She certainly at least seem to have a great sense of humour, equating “Humanist” with that narcissistic misanthrope, followed by the killer line of said misanthrope who specialised in the most venomous ad hominem attacks, complaining about ad hominem attacks ! Ho ! Ho ! Ho !
Here’s something else to tickle her funny bone;
http://www.exiledonline.com/who-can-forget-christopher-hitchens-fake-waterboarding-stunt/
BTW Angrysoba, I agree with you about torture; what was the name of that souless journalist in one of the “respectable” papers, who wrote that it would be ok to torture the children of terrorists, for the greater good ?
Macky:
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I have no interest in George Galloway’s gloating over Hitchens’ carcass.
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The man did, by the way, say that Saddam Hussein and Nasser would live in history long after “the dogs” Bush and Blair would be forgotten.
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Now, I don’t have to like Bush and Blair to know that Galloway had praised the guy that you spent a lot of time finding evidence that he didn’t like.
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Why, if Galloway hated Saddam Hussein, would he appear to praise him here?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooXE6EKfgzY
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Probably of no interest to you, of course. I understand. How “Zionist” of me.
Passerby,
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Boring as ever, you are.
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I have never called Desmond Tutu an anti-Semite.
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I called Mary an anti-Semite. She knows she is and doesn’t care that she is. Probably just like you. You are, after all, a well-known racist against black people and anyone else who doesn’t fit into your narrow WASPish viewpoint.
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I hope you hate me. I welcome your hatred. Now fuck off!
This must be my seventh (!) attempt to post this to the lady who apparently is in the undertaking business & is trying to increase her business by posting suicide inducing tributes!
She certainly at least seem to have a great sense of humour, equating “Humanist” with that narcissistic misanthrope, followed by the killer line of said misanthrope who specialised in the most venomous ad hominem attacks, complaining about ad hominem attacks ! Ho ! Ho ! Ho !
Well for something else to tickle her funny bone; type “christopher hicthens fake waterboarding” into google, and enjoy the first article.
BTW Angrysoba, I agree with you about torture; what was the name of that souless journalist in one of the “respectable” papers, who wrote that it would be ok to torture the children of terrorists, for the greater good ?
Anyway, happy Christmas, you arseholes!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooXE6EKfgzY
And listen to this if you haven’t clicked on. Ye bastardS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K3zMupWtmM
Fucking stupid English idiots.
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Go, fuck off!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT0yoo9B2Bc&feature=related
Of course, I am just joking. I am half-English myself so I don’t want English people to “fuck off”. Although, I do enjoy the rebel songs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gxQaKYFx-4&feature=related
Oan yersel, angry!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
High-Fivers and Art Student Spies
What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?
By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM
http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html
On the afternoon of September 11, 2001, an FBI bulletin known as a BOLO – “be on lookout” — was issued with regard to three suspicious men who that morning were seen leaving the New Jersey waterfront minutes after the first plane hit World Trade Center 1. Law enforcement officers across the New York-New Jersey area were warned in the radio dispatch to watch for a
“vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack”:
White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.
At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan
Kurzberg, refused and “was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag”. With guns drawn, the police then “physically removed” Kurzberg, while four other men – two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning – were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights.
They had not been told the reasons for their arrest. Yet, according to DeCarlo’s report, “this officer was told without question by the driver [Sivan Kurzberg],’We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.'” Another of the five Israelis, again without prompting, told Officer DeCarlo – falsely – that “we were on the West Side Highway in New York City during the incident”. From inside the vehicle the officers, who were quickly joined by agents from the FBI, retrieved multiple passports and $4,700 in cash stuffed in a
sock. According to New Jersey’s Bergen Record, which on September 12 reported the arrest of the five Israelis, an investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy stated that officers had also discovered in the vehicle “maps of the city with certain places highlighted. It looked like they’re hooked in with this”, the source told
the Record, referring to the 9/11 attacks. “It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”
The five men were indeed Israeli citizens. They claimed to be in the country working as movers for Urban Moving Systems Inc., which maintained a warehouse and office in Weehawken, New Jersey. They were held for 71 days in a federal detention center in Brooklyn, New York, during which time they were repeatedly interrogated by FBI and CIA counterterrorism
teams, who referred to the men as the “high-fivers” for their celebratory behavior on the New Jersey waterfront. Some were placed in solitary confinement for at least forty days; some were given as many as seven lie detector tests. One of the Israelis, Paul Kurzberg, brother of Sivan, refused to take a lie-detector test for ten weeks. Then he failed it.
Meanwhile, two days after the men were picked up, the owner of Urban Moving Systems, Dominik Suter, a 31- year-old Israeli national, abandoned his business and fled the United States for Israel. Suter’s departure was abrupt, leaving behind coffee cups, sandwiches, cell phones and computers strewn on office tables and thousands of dollars of goods in storage.
Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and other hijackers and suspected al Qaeda sympathizers, suggesting that U.S. authorities felt Suter may have known something about the attacks. The suspicion, as the investigation unfolded, was that the men working for Urban Moving Systems were spies. Who exactly was handling them, and who or what they were targeting, was as yet uncertain.
It was New York’s venerable Jewish weekly The Forward that broke this story in the spring of 2002, after months of footwork. The Forward reported that the FBI had finally concluded that at least two of the men were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis,
was a front operation. Two former CIA officers confirmed this to me,noting that movers’ vans are a common intelligence cover. The Forward also noted that the Israeli government itself admitted that the men were spies.
…. at the end of November 2001, for reasons that only noted they had been working in the country illegally as movers, in violation of their visas, the men were flown home to Israel.
An Iswaili failing a lie detector test! Whatever next?
Sounds as if Angry has burst his boiler or else has had too much sake.
No Mary, I think he just got to the end of his 6 pack.
Odd that Hitchens’ death brought so many out of the woodwork.
I’d had no idea he was a zionist.
If this had been a game of tennis , it would’ve been a cracker.
Death is a tragedy for those left behind,but an opportunity for the deceased.
He gets the chance to be better in the next life as do we all.
Anti-semites are the worst criminals in the universe and need more punishment than just a smack in the face! In the 115 AD Hebrew rebellion, as historian Dio Cassio informs us:
“…the Jews in the region of Cyrene were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Many they sawed in
two, from the head downwards. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished.”
It’s the only language the goyim understand! Happy Hannukah.
The Israeli’s are kicking 30,000 bedouin out of the Negev. Anti Semitism is a crime. The Bedouin deserve to be allowed to wander where they always have.
“There comes a point where what some people say just becomes self- discrediting and requires no further comment”
Overdosed on horlicks the ziofuckwit has turned to a regular rampaging antisemitefinder pursuivant.
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Has Angry over-imbibed?..lol
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No worries fella,it happens to us all at times.
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Peace.
Sorry but I can’t resist: Angrysoba but positively bonkers drunk.
The five dancing Israelis really danced as all Israelis do when they are happy. While analysing the foxed comments of sobbing angry it has become clear to me that he must have been one of them. How else could he have known that the story, or whatever he said, had “holes”? And wait, Stephen was most likely another one of the five clowns. Can these two be by any chance arrested to stop their danse macabre? Craig may know who they are and his contacts may help.
@Angrysoba, firstly I’m going to put down all your posts of today, were due to you having a breakdown, or being high, or intoxicated, or all three, and therefore best ignored.
Now that I’ve just finished scanning the declassified docs, the “Dancing Israelis” !; Firstly, I stress that I of course don’t know anything for certain; I’m groping for answers, just like everybody else. The key thing is that explanations/events/whatever, must al least be rationally credible: for a long time the “Dancing Israelis” were dismissed out of hand by those branding everybody who question the official story as Conspiracy Nuts, the Dancing Israelis being just a fabricated modern urban myth, but since the release of official FBI & Police reports, they can no longer brush this off , so they are forced, as like the Truthers, to closely examined the details.
Re the video camera question; why did I say it had been set-up? Because I recalled reading that the New York Times had first reported that “officials said the men had apparently set up cameras near the Hudson River and fixed them on the World Trade Center”. There were of course other similar reports, such as;
“Israeli Foreign Ministry informed by their Consulate in New York, that the 5 Israelis had been arrested for “puzzling behaviour”, having been caught video-taping the disaster, and shouting as to what was believed to be cries of joy and mockery.” & “Article in Tel Aviz newspaper (in Hebrew) reports that the five had gone up to the roof and started videoing the scene, telling “macabre jokes”
Why did I say that it appears that it was set up in advance ? Because they were spotted by witnesses who stated that they were filming within only five minutes of the first plane impacting; so allowing for hearing/seeing the impact, getting onto the roof, preparing & getting all their cameras operational, all within just five minutes seems pretty superhuman to me.
Why did I say that it seemed like a professional camera ? Well the aforementioned NYT report stated that cameras had been set-up, implying to my mind tripods etc; however now reading the declassified Police/FBI docs, according to one witness it was “Small dark coloured, with a pop-out screen that displayed the image coming through the lens”, which for 2001 seems quite an expensive bit of gear to me, but I may be wrong on that being as good as professional gear.
Although no video camera was eventually found, because of the strong witness statements (I think three people in total), Maria & these two;
“believes it was a video recording device rather than a camera, it was been moved slowly from side to side, as if panning the area”
“Small dark coloured, with a pop-out screen that displayed the image coming through the lens, held up the camera up high continuously for a few minutes, moved it around, panning the view.”
The FBI had to marked this video matter as “remains unsolved”
I think most people reading through these reports will conclude that the Urban Removals Company was just a front for Israeli spies to operate from, as the reports are full of phrases like “Oddly, equipment typically used in a moving company’s daily duty was not found”, ““remarkably clean for a moving truck”, “he “didn’t look like he would work as a Mover”.
However, unless something changes, we may not live long enough to know all the details as the 134 redacted/deleted pages are due to be declassified no sooner than 2035 !
“There comes a point where what some people say just becomes self- discrediting and requires no further comment”
Welcome back Stephen, I like the new name, your Idol (or should I say God now that he has been deified) would be flattered; funny how all these Hicthens quotes are penetrating self observations; like the ones quoted earlier “‘I always think it’s a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem”, a killingly funny line from a bitter misanthrope who was a real specialist in the most venomous of ad hominem attacks. Nearly as funny as this said narcissistic misanthrope being lauded as a “Humanist” by the The British Humanist Association ! Ho ! Ho! Ho !
(Did the BHA have any credibility worth losing anyway ?)
“There comes a point where what some people say just becomes self- discrediting and requires no further comment”
Welcome back Stephen, I like the new name, your Idol (or should I say God now that he has been deified) would be flattered; funny how all these Hicthens quotes, like the ad hominem one before from Barbara, are such accurate penetrating self observations.
Not only 9/11…there was the Oct 10, 2001 arrest of Gersson Smike and Ben Zui, two Mossad agents, inside the Palace of Congress in Mexico City. They were armed with 9 mm Glock pistols and carried a briefcase full of plastic explosive, sufficient to incinerate the building. On October 09,
2001, the two suspects took pictures inside the congress. They told security guards they were photographers. The next day
they were caught inside the Congress with the briefcase containing the bomb making material. The bombing probably would have been on Columbus Day, October 12, for max symbolism. On October 11, all Mexican media reported the story. But then, all media coverage was blanked!! Up north in the evil empire, eLie Weasel decreed the event never happened. Shortly afterwards, the two agents were deported….to Iswail. As it happened,
9/11 was enough to launch the Israelimerican War On Humans.
OH NO, Britain New year’s resolution is Military action in Somalia!
Mr cokehead has new vision, Somalia ” a failed state” !
of course Somlia’s iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper, natural gas and of course OIL has nothing to do with this new military adventure?
There is a better way, we can send them from here: hard drugs, alcohol and STD (cheaper and what we can spare plenty)
MR C, don’t go anywhere where your butt will get kicked..remember dead marines and the streets of Mogadishu?
Is there no moderator any longer? we get advert for all kind of rubbish including sex calls here!
Azra,
Another trick of the ziofuckwits is, pretending to be “robots” of a different kind, not their regular cut and paste kind engaged in the defence of the shitty strip of land and all those who sail in her.
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These weird bots that target the threads, are intending to terminate it, and induce those commenting to leave the thread, so the keyboard war can be fighting somewhere else. The keyboard warriors are too thinly spread hence the tactic.
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Back to the topic: There are no dangers facing the West. 9/11 was a put up job to start wars of choice based on the crap passed as “defence of the realm”, that became to be the blue print for the “project for the new American century”. Therefore angrosob, and the rest of the ziobots for certain cannot let the light of truth to shine on the serial murder of the Americans, on the US soil, for the sake of “defending their realm”
Yes, I have noticed that some of the Threads here are snuffed out with a lof of apparent spamming, strange how the spam quite suddenly gets through the Spam Filter; it did cross my mind also, that Angrysoba strange breakdown/funny turn might be another derailing tactic…
I forgot to address a couple of points;
“Apparently you are also suspicious of the fact that the removal company had more than one van and that these vans were seen driving around in the vicinity of the removals firm. (?)”
No, I am suspicious that when questioned the Urban Removal backroom staff expressed surprise and bewilderment that their vans were in New York on the 11th September, as they should have been on another job in a different part of the country; the significance of being more than one van is that maybe not all the people were rounded up, thus explaining why the video camera was never found.
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“And “there was a lot of anti-american sentiment present”. …oh, gosh!”
Well I’m sorry for being surprised that Israelis of all people, having an apparent hatred of the US; you wouldn’t be surprised if it was a group of AQ terrorists, but not the citizens of the most pampered country of the US; can the explanation be that these people were so hard, fanatical right wingers, that they perceived that the US should be doing more to them destroy their enemies, and were angry at this “failure” of the US ?
Another thing that I forgot to mention, is that when asked to account for their apparent joyful high spirits as they watched the attacks on the WTC, from more than one of them, and more than once, the explanation was given that they were pleased that now at least America will realise and sympathise even more with Israel; yet they were celebrating within minutes of the first plane striking, when nobody knew it was a political/terrorist attack, and it was still being reported on the news wires as an accident right up to the second plane impacting.
A X-Mas Prezzie for the Hitch fan club:
Atheist Found Dead in Fox Hole
Hitchens vs. Higher Power?
by NORMAN FINKELSTEIN
Even some of the critical commentary on Hitchens’s passing pays tribute to his atheism, which no doubt shocked readers of Vanity Fair.
But the ultimate irony seems to have gone over everyone’s head.
When I first learned that Hitchens was diagnosed with an excruciating and terminal cancer, it caused me to doubt my atheism.
Could it be merely chance?
The news came just as Hitchens was about to go on a book tour for his memoir.
It was as if he was setting out on his victory lap when the adulating crowds were supposed to fawn over him and—wham!—his legs were lopped off at the kneecaps.
Could it be the hidden hand of a Jehovah?
If I still had doubts, the events of the past week dispelled them.
First Hitchens passed.
If that wasn’t burden enough to bear, the next day Vaclav Havel imploded.
The deep thinkers among us were now beside themselves with grief.
But then, on the third day, Kim Jong-il kicked the bucket.
Was this a practical joke, and who was the joker?
Biblical scholars report that divine interventions usually come in threes.
Moe, Larry, Curly.
Christopher, Vaclav, Kim.
I cannot help but see in this otherwise improbable sequence a divine intelligence at play.
The irony could not be more perfect: the god that the vindictive but witty Mr. Hitchens made a career scoffing at turns out to be…vindictive but witty.
But I will leave the last word to a close buddy of Hitchens’ who is himself a true believer.
When Saddam Hussein was executed, Tony Blair remarked: “I do not believe in capital punishment, but I think the world is a better place without him.”
When I heard that Hitchens was dead, I took a deep breath.
The air felt cleaner, as if after a 40-day and 40-night downpour.
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I get no satisfaction from Hitchens’s passing.
Although he was the last to know it, every death is a tragedy, if only for the bereft child—or, as in the case of Cindy Sheehan, bereft parent—left behind.
But, still, life is full of surprises.
No one should be too smug in his certitudes.
And if you’ve made a career of pissing on other people’s mostly innocuous beliefs, should it surprise that outside the tiny tent called Vanity Fair, your memory stinks of urine?