So nobody in the security services was guilty of complicity in torture. Those rendered to torture were in fact whisked off by flying pigs. Or maybe a big boy did it and ran away.
I should say I never had the tiniest bit of doubt that the institutionally corrupt Metropolitan Police would let off the security services. Nobody ever is guilty in these things. It was nobody’s fault that an unarmed and unresisting electrician was shot six times in the head as he sat on a tube train. It was nobody’s fault the police subsequently lied about him. It is nobody’s fault that MI5 and MI6 officers were interviewing detainees with freshly mutilated genitals. It was nobody’s fault that, when I blew the whistle on active UK complicity in torture, I was immediately suspended from duty and charged with eighteen allegations of gross misconduct, every one of which was subsequently adjudged to be false. It was nobody’s fault that David Kelly died a horrible, lonely and mysterious death after letting slip the truth – that there were no Iraqi WMD. It was nobody’s fault that hundreds of thousands died and trillions were squandered due to the lies officially published – by nobody’s fault – about WMD.
I have views on this lying exoneration today which are more complex than you might expect. The MI5 and MI6 officers were following policy set out by Tony Blair and Jack Straw, that we should obtain intelligence from torture. It would have been a hollow justice for some junior spooks to be scapegoated while Straw and Blair are walking around as respected international statesman, coining in the money.
Yhe Met investigation was so remarkably “thorough” it did not approach me at any stage, even though I had given obviously relevant evidence in person to the Council of Europe, European Parliament and UK Parliament.
Do watch my evidence to the UK parliament if you have not already done so. Then judge who you believe.
Meanwhile, there is no sign at all that the so-called Gibson Inquiry into UK Complicity in Torture is ever going even to take the lid off the whitewash bucket and get started.
You are a real hero Craig. One of your best posts ever.
Heroes
by Gary Corseri / January 9th, 2012
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Do not call them “heroes”
if they have done your killing for you.
Say that they have done your bidding;
say they were your “soldiers.”
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Say that you have trained them well:
They are the oiled machinations of war,
performing as expected.
Refrain from saying “professionals,”
and the usual nonsense about “surgical strikes.”
They were never doctors and nurses
in starched, white linens.
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The best heroes are dead ones—
mortified and mortared.
They neither complain nor contradict.
They don’t re-live “friendly fire” incidents,
the sonofabitch sargeant-sadist,
nor the rapist in their midst.
They don’t see again
the faces of traumatized children.
Their bones stretch to attention under the sod.
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The man and woman who will kill and injure
because some fool tells them to
are just little spin-off fools.
No act born of ignorance is heroic.
Heroes are sensible, not imbeciles.
Heroes dispel myths; they neither create
nor perpetuate them.
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The fully manifested hero,
aware of his power and dignity,
is more than human, is humane.
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Heroes don’t talk about heroes.
They need no confetti showered in their faces.
They question; they learn; they challenge; they act
according to their own honed principles:
What is truth? for example;
what is honor?
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http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/01/heroes/
Arsalan
Assalamu ‘alaykum
I’m sorry to find you at a low ebb recently. I hope and pray you find some comfort, and I recommend charity as a door to happiness.
Yahoo commentators on the Benyamin Mohamed story read like diaorrhea of anti-Muslim racism.
The British however are not all racist torturers and we don’t want to do a Diane Abbott, however much the publishing of comments is stilted by the MSM against Islam.
PS We should all acknowledge the help given to Craig by Tony Opmoc, often derided here, who uploaded You Tubes.
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I have often heard it said that Google manipulate the viewing figures of You Tubes, especially when the content does not meet with the approval of the powers-that-be.
Agreed.Big thanks to Tony Opmoc.
Anno,
The reason I haven’t had much time to post lately is the birth of little Arsalan.
🙂
When someone says “The British have always tortured”, it doesn’t mean they are accusing each and every citizen of this country of doing that.
It refers to the state.
In the same way, I do not believe Diane Abbot meant anything racist by her comment.
When the empire was built and the countries of brown races colonised.
The way they did so was “divide and rule”.
The colonised called it “whites practicing divide and rule”. This wasn’t the colonised practicing racism against whites, but them describing the racism they suffer from whites.
And by whites we do not mean each and every person reduced pigment in their skin. It refers to the invader.
Yesterday I was overtaken by a brand new anonymous looking white prison van bearing just the words GEOAMEY. I wondered about the identity of those being conveyed within especially knowing what we know about the system.
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Not having heard of them before, I have just looked them up. Their work – Orwellian words or what?
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The GEO Group is a leading global provider of rehabilitation detention and treatment services as well as secure transportation, with operations in the United Kingdom (UK), America, Australia and South Africa. The GEO Group services include operation of prisons and other custodial facilities; immigration detention and removal centres; secure escorted transportation; court services; and community re-entry and supervision services. GEO is the largest company providing these services on an international scale, with a worldwide portfolio of approximately 80,000 beds at 116 rehabilitation, detention, and treatment facilities and approximately 60,000 offenders under community supervision and electronic monitoring. In the UK, GEO operates the Harmondsworth Immigration Removal Centre near London and has been selected to operate the Dungavel House Immigration Removal Centre near Glasgow (effective from September 25 2011). GEO stays at the forefront of rehabilitation management by providing innovative approaches to custodial care and rehabilitation of offenders, with modern well-equipped facilities and with operating efficiency underpinned by leading-edge technology.
http://www.geoamey.co.uk/about_geoamey/
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Their chairman
Sir Richard Clive Mottram, GCB (born 23 April 1946) is chairman or board member of a number of private and public sector organisations, many with international links. He is chairman of the board of Amey PLC and of the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl), and a Board member of the International Advisory Board of GardaWorld, Ashridge Business School, and the Ditchley Foundation. He is a Visiting Professor at the London School of Economics and Political Science.
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He was formerly a British civil servant, who retired in 2007 from his most recent senior post as Permanent Secretary, Intelligence, Security and Resilience in the Cabinet Office.
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Enough said?
Just to echo the thanks and admiration already expressed by others: “all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing” – nobody can accuse you of that Craig.
“David Kelly died a horrible, lonely and mysterious death after letting slip the truth – that there were no Iraqi WMD.”
As you very well know this isn’t what Kelly “let slip” to Gilligan. What he let slip was that he didn’t agree with the 45 minutre claim in the dossier. Bending the truth to fit your story weakens it rather than strengthening it.
Anon
I don’t think we will ever know what Kelly really told Gilligan
Is there a transcript? Is there a downloadable podcast?
http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2012/01/us-marines-laugh-while-urinating-on.html
Another Iranian scientist dead and U.S. Marines Urinating On Dead Taliban Brings World War Three One Step Closer.
Craig
I’ll rely on what Gilligan said – if you don’t know why make such a definitive statement?
http://watchingyouwatchingyme-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2012/01/uk-goverment-ask-google-to-block-search.html
GOOGLE are already doing the Corrupt Goverments bidding and blocking U Tubes.
To clarify, is there a transcript posted and/or podcast of Craig’s testimony on the seven embedded youtubes? (was not making a snarky comment about what David Kelly said)
thx
http://theintelhub.com/2011/05/20/government-orders-you-tube-to-censor-protest-videos/
More on Goverment You Tube Censorship.
It is obvious what he said to Gilligan.
In America if a black man is found to have committed suicide by shooting himself 6 times in the back of the head it is obvious he spoke to the white police officer about his constitutional rights.
In the UK when someone whose evidence is needed to rubber stamp a war they were planning to do anyway, it is obvious that he was about to say something that isn’t quite a rubber stamp if he is suicided.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/Uncorrected%20Transcript%2028%20April%2009.doc
Craig Murray Uncorrected Transcript On Torture
If anyone wishes any transcript’s by Mr.Murray simply Google Craig Murray Transcript…but do it quickly before the Goverment censors ALL valuable information.
Craig, tragically there is plenty of complicity to go round. The corporate media and BBC are complicit, too. Real actual journalists are a rarity. Its not just Straw or Blair that should be unable to look at themselves in the mirror, this applies to a vast number of people in the media, too. In particular, so-called pundits and talk radio propagandists here in the United States. At what point does complicity become being an accessory? Many of these people are there.
“I’ll rely on what Gilligan said – if you don’t know why make such a definitive statement?”
Anon, Gilligan is a contrarian figure whose word cannot be trusted.
Anyone recollect?
Kelly on the day which he went missing, had called a journalist in US from a phone box, who was this journalist? We all fool ourselves by accepting the role of “Media” and their “mission” in a democracy.
The biggest fall out of the the Gilligan affair was the uncovering of the SIS assets in zioBBC, these had to blow their cover and come out fighting for Blair the warmonger/money grabber; rubbishing Gilligan, etc.
geoamey
At a time when nothing is being built and no tunnels dug, it makes sense for a civil engineering company to diversify into the boom industry of security.
This is of course forthright evidence that demonstrates how the British intelligence services make use of information obtained by torture to generate false intelligence. False intelligence we know historically can be used as the stimulant, influence and incentive for mass murder.
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When President Bush spoke of “removing the torture and rape rooms” in Iraq, Craig wrote, “.. systematic torture and rape appear to be treated as peccadilloes, not to effect the relationship and to be downplayed in the international fora..” – that caused storm clouds to loom in the corridors of British power.
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Craig was mentally tortured by those who tried hard to undermine his credibility. I strongly believe he only survived humiliation, public shredding of his personal life, health problems undoubtedly brought on by stress and his virtual self-immolation over the death of the young Jamal Mirsaidov,, by the support of Nadira.
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It is to her I offer my sincere thanks for strengthening his fight for survival, gifting us with his presence today.
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Thank you Rocki!
Just watched the videos, Craig – have always enjoyed your writing, but have never seen these before. You were excellent. Who said “the best lack all conviction”?
Anyway, excuse my unfamiliarity with politicians, if indeed that’s what they were, but who exactly were the men asking the questions? Who especially was the sleazy younger dude on the left who seemed passionately intent on tripping you up?
Thanks,
EB
In fact, it’s cool. I have the transcript Rocki kindly posted.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-to-question-jack-straw-over-torture-in-libya-6289041.html
Craig, any predictions?
I have deduced from the transcript that native agents report to their local handlers in the American embassy. The American embassy then transmits intelligence to Washington (CIA) who then after evaluation and intelligence sharing protocals transmit the intelligence to MI6 and then after another evaluation MI6 retransmitS the intelligence to the British embassy, copied to the British ambassador.
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The British embassy in Iran is now closed although the FCO website is still being updated:
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http://ukiniran.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=News&id=713504082
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Intelligence would have been received by Washington (CIA) from the British embassy in Iran indicated by the AM Data Tone encrypted streams via satellite communications in the megahertz or gigaherz bands or both. I now wonder which embassy is being used to transmit intelligence from Iran to Washington, presumably the French enbassy.
Arsalan
Congratulations on the birth of your son.
‘This wasn’t the colonised practicing racism against whites, but them describing the racism they suffer from whites.’
In my opinion Diane Abbott’s remarks were definitely racist. Collective prejudice against ‘the other’ is a group of people sheltering eachother from their own individual prejudice. Two wrongs don’t make a right. That’s what Ms Abbott was doing.
Mark Golding
Thanks first to Allah for giving Craig Nadirah, and second to Nadirah for supporting him in making this pivotal stand against UK complicity in torture. Between Thatcher’s premiership and Blair’s dictatorship there was a political discussion about whether a politician’s job was to serve National self-interest only, or to be involved in a wider vision. Blair then narrowed it down to narrow self-interest in order to create the political vacuum which would give birth to Global New Order Z-word freemasonism.
All that it takes ( big all, mind ) to defeat GNZFM is to re-define the job of politics back to its original scope, larger than narrow national self-interest. The genie is out of the bottle, but I am absolutely certain that it is puttableback inagain same as the whiskers on my chinagain. This issue that Craig is leading the discussion in is massively important. The BBC is playing it down big time. I would expect to see demonstrations and counter-demonstrations about it soon. Raw nationalism and counternationalism against rational humanitarianism.
If we lose this battle this time we are doomed as humans.
Health and happiness to young Arsalan and his parents, may he grow up to be a good son.
To the nasty video that shows US soldiers acting to spoil the peace negotiations.
My thanks to the Taliban for keeping their head saying that this will not stop the talking, they seem to see the significants of not over reacting.
These bad soldiers could most likely have been influenced by a superior, but the leary laughing and gestures looks suspiciously like they have been taken something growing in the fields of Afghanistan.
It has been a big problem and our generals mentioning that one should overlook drug taking in a war zone, because of the stress and and and, must be prepared that drug taking frontline troops can do some embarrassing things at the wrong time.