The Mail on Sunday is doing a very good job on the odious Jack Straw’s involvement in torture and persecution. I think that at last the truth has entered the established narrative. There is a little box in the report about my own evidence to Scotland Yard. I will type it out here as the Mail’s box format here is not internet searchable:
“Torture” Evidence Handed to the Yard
Further pressure was piled on Jack Straw last night over the “rendition” of Libyan dissident Abdel Hakim Belhadj after sensitive documents were handed to Scotland tard detectives.
Craig Murray, former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, passed the documents to police as part of the inquiry into the behaviour of Ministers and intelligence officials over the detention of Mr Belhadj in Bangkok in March 2004.
The opponent of Colonel Gadaffi was flown to Tripoli, where he claims he was tortured.
Mr Straw, who was Foreign Secretary at the time, has denied ever condoning the use of torture to extract information.
But the documents appear to cast doubt on that position.
One memo, headed “Uzbekistan: Intelligence Possibly Obtained Under Torture” contains minutes of a meeting Mr Murray held with senior Foreign and Commonwealth officials on March 8, 2003 to discuss his concern that the UK could be in breach of international law by possessing intelligence obtained by torture.
The minute, dated March 10 2003, quoted Linda Duffield, then the FCO’s Director of Wider Europe, apparently justifying the use of such material as part of the fight against terrorism.
A second memo, dated March 14 2003, and written by Simon McDonald – the Straw’s principal Private Secretary – to Ms Duffield says Straw has read the minutes and “agrees that you handled this very well”.
Mr Murray is understood to have told police that during Mr Straw’s time at the FCO diplomats were told to only refer to the policy on torture verbally.
Mr Murray said last night “My evidence stated that Jack Straw introduced a policy of allowing evidence obtained by torture to be used. I also told them that written evidence had been destrpyed, and we were told to not commit details into writing.”
There is a slight misquote in the above. It should say Jack Straw introduced a policy of allowing intelligence obtained by torture, not evidence. In fact it was specifically stated such intelligence would not be produced as evidence in court (people were imprisoned without charge or rendered instead). The instruction not to put things in writing was given to me personally, I don’t know if others were told the same. As I was the only one protesting, perhaps not.
These links are to the documents in question.
The first two were obtained by Freedom of Information Act request. Details of the CIA’s colllusion with the Karimiv regime’s torturers have been redacted by the FCO. Last week Jack Straw came out and argued strongly for the effective abolition of the Freedom of Information Act. Now there is a coincidence for you.
“The BBC would rather you know the consequences of Breivik’s actions than his reasoning behind them. It believes, in a nannyish fashion not dissimilar to yours, that the viewer is unable to discern a warped mind.”
Not far from the truth, Giles, but I’m not nannying, you forgot, my nose was stubbed inthe ashes of burned bodies by the allied command, denazification they called that, it was mandatory, a fine word for it.
You are denying that the BBC and all that live of headlines and gore, have had an impact with their coverage, dare I call it fascist,on those who consistently have shown their political ineptness? Do you really think that the normal voter can discern the differences? I do not!
Further see it in context of all other coverage, see it with the eyes of an EDL supporter. Publicity for this case, which very little detail revealed about his previous life as a freemason, not a single reference to it, bar the gun touting pictures, has gone the way he desired, all of his expectations have come true in this trial, just as he predicted. He is calling the media to attention and is determining the agenda.
His islamophobic agenda has no party political line, its not left or right alone, it is Anders agenda, a man influendced by people like melanie Phillips and Pam Geller and the EDL, republican rightwing and zionist fascists to boot, so which fuck brain editor decided to amplify his visual messages ad nauseum.? You amplify something a hundred times and people will believe it, its the principles which lkeep the war on terror alive,.
Multiple dissemination of his fisted nazi salutes, please don’t be so pedantic with it, will eventually be believed and the BBC is guilty of it.
I do not care much what the far right thinks of Breivigs coverage, a stitch up, whatever, i’ve studied media and what we are seeing is veiled, adhering to the overall drive of our Govern,ent, slotting into the insecdure economic ouitlook, raising fears to control and persist, exactly the sort of actions a dependent media organisation would release.
The BBC is spiked with MI’s, they are callous and partial, no difference to RT or Al Jazeera.
Worth a read:
Why Do They Hate Us?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/why_do_they_hate_us?page=full
“Why extremists always focus on women remains a mystery to me,” U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said recently. “But they all seem to. It doesn’t matter what country they’re in or what religion they claim. They want to control women.” (And yet Clinton represents an administration that openly supports many of those misogynistic despots.) Attempts to control by such regimes often stem from the suspicion that without it, a woman is just a few degrees short of sexual insatiability….”
‘Nor does this sorry saga reflect well on ex-Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O’Donnell, who ruled that – despite his avowed admiration for News Corp – Mr Hunt was fit to adjudicate on the takeover, once the decision had been taken away from Business Secretary Vince Cable in 2010.’
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2134695/Leveson-Inquiry-Jeremy-Hunt-James-Murdoch-BSkyB-grim-day-integrity.html
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GOD’s name crops up yet again.
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He was being touted on Radio 4 Today as the replacement for Mervyn King. Unbelievable but highly probable in this group of crooks and shysters.
He’s fifth in the betting.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/23/uk-britain-boe-odonnell-idUKBRE83M14D20120423
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{http://www.paddypower.com/bet/current-affairs/bank-of-england?ev_oc_grp_ids=609713}
Following on from the Gummer link, who would ever eat meat again especially not from the US?
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http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/04/is-the-government-protecting-us-from-mad-cow/
The weird and wonderful world of Clarence Mitchell. He was on BBC this morning speaking about Madeleine McCann. The last I heard of him he was handling the PR after the recent Costa Concordia disaster.
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This blog piece
http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/shocking-clarence-mitchell-profile/
is dated February 2010 and has him at that time working for Freud Communications of Murdoch fame. The latest links have him with Burston Masteller as a director whom he joined after a spell with Lewis PR ????
{http://burson-marsteller.eu/2011/09/former-bbc-presenter-clarence-mitchell-joins-burson-marsteller-uk/}
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Spooky?
Clark –
Thanks for the Wayback link. Bookmarked.
On which I also found:
http://archive.org/details/sci2000-04-25.dsbd.shnf
Damn good band.
O/T, trying to rival Mary here 🙂
Not only will the NHS go downhill as Mark and Mary so aptly posted two days ago, the Conservatives drug policy ‘road-map to recovery’, a rile document with top credentials marking the end for harm reduction, will ensure that HIV will be on the increase as the most hardened class A addicts will leave treatment all together and go back to the black market.
This policy was not announced, just slipped in and yesterdays furore about Russell Brand appearing before the select committee was just show.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/alcohol-drugs/drugs/recovery-roadmap
Breaking (up the party?)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135379/Revealed-David-Camerons-secret-meetings-Rupert-Murdoch-didnt-disclose.html
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“The Commons heard that Mr Murdoch’s submissions to the Leveson Inquiry revealed four more meetings with the Prime Minister, on top of the one that Mr Cameron has admitted, since the 2010 general election.”
During Rupert Murdochs quwstioning
Today he went off talking about his concerns
On our education.
A side note leftist is and liberals are anti white.
No otger civilasion is beibg deconstructed as ou.rs is
The old lizard is so concerned about education that he offered to build one of Poison Gove’s academies. Gove is a great fan of Murdoch’s and used to write for the Times whilst his wife Sarah Vine is still a Times columnist.
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http://www.theweek.co.uk/media/45583/michael-goves-close-links-rupert-murdoch-revealed
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Also from the Political Scrapbook#
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Rupert Murdoch’s written evidence to the Leveson Inquiry reveals that News International planned to launch a Free School with the support of Michael Gove.
The documents reveal Murdoch planned to discuss founding the school with Gove after News International’s plans to fund an Academy in East London fell through against a backdrop of protest.
Opposition to the development centred around News Corporation’s ownership of education technology provider Wireless Generation — and fears that students would become guinea pigs for the testing of profit-making technology. NewsCorp executives have claimed:
“Today’s classroom looks almost exactly the same as it did in the Victorian age …The key is the software.”
Murdoch met with Gove – twice at the press baron’s home — on four occasions throughout 2010 and 2011, with education reform being a principal topic of discussion. News International also met with Gove and Boris Johnson to visit the proposed site of the new school.
The Leveson evidence also show that News International were in contact with staff at the Department of Education to discuss plans for the school project.
Michael Gove took to the airwaves yesterday to heap lavish praise on beleaguered culture secretary Jeremy Hunt.
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{http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/04/rupert-murdoch-michael-gove-free-school/}
Yeh, Govey’s been quite visible lately.
Must be the same Gove…
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/michael-gove-bars-schools-from-palestinian-literary-festival-6449578.html
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Or maybe it’s this one…
{http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jan/27/michael-gove-funds-organisation-advised}
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Patriotic:
(http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/55191/i-will-defend-israels-right-exist-long-i-have-breath-my-body}
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Ooops, sorry.
‘Old lizard.’ Exactly. When consumed by the wide guilty grin, slapping both paws in front of him as head swivels from side-to-side, he looks positively reptilian. Has such visibly over-ripe evil ever sought to wrap itself in such malodorous cotton wool?
Lizardists. You’ll be calling him a poisonous reptile next. Are there no limits to the fawning adoration you are prepared to show this nasty old toad?
@Giles:
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> This, note, is despite their decision to carry on daytime TV detailed autopsical
> descriptions of how a bullet enters a child’s head. The BBC would rather you know the
> consequences of Breivik’s actions than his reasoning behind them.
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That sounds like you think that the BBC is propagandist for condemning the shooting of children, and that maybe Breivik has the right to be heard? I agree that we should always understand the reasons for a human-created atrocity, but equally I’d hate to see it misused by people who sympathise with his hardline racist views (hopefully it is still acceptable to call Breivik racist – if not him, then who?).
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> Avaaz’s work on Syria ought to make you sceptical of its entire output. Avaaz’s
> “generally progressive direction” is towards one-world government.
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That sounds nuts to me, especially since the call for Hunt’s removal is clearly and unequivocally progressive (how would it not be?). Do you have a reference for your assertion?
@Komodo. V. good. LOL.
Komodo,
Breaking (up the party?)
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No way, this morning the very first act of Leveson was to declare martial law on release of any support material, etc without the sanctions of the relevant pooh-bah.
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The notions of shit hitting the fan firmly in mind; the relevant laws and paragraphs are invoked and will put an end to any kind of untoward truth, making it out into the public domain.
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Wrong doers and their evil doing mates can be safe in the knowledge of having fooled the plebeians another day so they can get on with doing what they set out to do; deceive the punters, and hood wink them into buying into the dream that is set out for these morons, all the while enriching themselves and their sponsors.
While Newham Council is planning to ‘cleanse’ off Olympic surrounding areas from Housing Benefits claimants
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/24/newham-housing-crisis-warning-sign?commentpage=3#start-of-comments
there are clear signs of corrupt Labour councillors.
Ayesha Chowdhury Labour Councillor for Beckton http://mgov.newham.gov.uk/mgMiniSite.aspx?UID=193
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She owns 16 properties and is leaving in a council house http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023416/It-beggars-belief-Multi-millionaire-owns-massive-property-empire-chain-restaurants-lives-135-week-COUNCIL-HOUSE.html
Bent (Labour) Councillors, Uzbek? Surely not. The Pope’s a Rastafarian, isn’t he?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Wales
Wasn’t me, Officer. It was two other guys. Who worked for me…
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/897310-rupert-murdoch-admits-phone-hacking-cover-up-at-news-of-the-world
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Also disturbing hints of Rupe’s detachment from the home planet – a frickin NEWSPAPER PROPRIETOR who hasn’t read the NEWSPAPER ARTICLES about HIS OWN SODDING NEWSPAPERS?
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Gie’s a break, eh?
A less-explored avenue close by the Murdoch estate:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/26/murdoch_bskyb_hunt_ofcom_wtf/
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Like really good Stilton, this article. Dense and pungent.
1 rogue reporter > 1 rogue advisor > Now Rue tells Leveson: 1 rogue newspaper. Simple. Job done.
‘Rupe tells Leveson’
Mr Nevermind,Idid not have my ego stroked by the bbc coverage of nazi salutes.And I certainly do not distort history like you and your kind.Yes you do look regularly at the holocaust,have to keep the funds rolling in dont you.Funny how you say i distort history,do you ever discuss what happened in the so called Russian revolution,which was orchestrated by zionists from New York.Why not I wonder,you have vivid memories of the atrocities caused,by the zionist bankers,but you mean Hitler of course you do,its on the history channel,theres no fooling you is there,if you think breivig ,or Andy Brevick was mainly working to kill these kids because of their liberal veiws on Islam you are also mistaken, they were murdered because they were in favour of boycoting Israel.
having to smell burned bones,
Mr. Jones,
as a seven year old, is not distorting history
you do as you’re told.
But we are concerned with the here and now
the thirty year war does not raise our brow, Zionist banklers you say, but
towards breivig you sway,
its all about money, nowt to do with palestine,
so why use WW2 to explain your a Philistine
Hitler and breivig and Phillips and all
it’ll come out in a wash, believe me it will.
This site is NOT profitting from the Holocaust, how dare you say such nonsense, this site, if anything is not profitting at all.
Now go and raise your fist somewhere else, or be civil.
Breivik was motivated by the pro Palestinian rally held on the island the day before his killing rampage.
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‘There is no clear evidence that Breivik’s support for the Israeli right played any part in his killing spree. Nor does he appear to have any connection with the Israeli government. However, it is worth noting that in November 2010, the Israeli government joined the right-wing pile on, accusing the Norwegian government of “anti-Israel incitement” for funding a trip for students to New York to see the “Gaza Monologues” play. Then, the day before Breivik’s terror attack, which he planned long in advance, Norway’s Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stor visited the Labor Youth camp at Utoya. There, he was met with demands to support the global BDS movement and to support the Palestinian Authority’s unilateral statehood bid. “The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now,” the Foreign Minister declared, earning cheers from the audience.’
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http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-a-perfect-product-of-the-axis-of-islamophobia/
International judges have found former UK Prime Minister Anthony Charles Lynton Blair Taylor guilty of aiding and abetting war crimes during the Iraq war. 😉
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So sorry. That should read:
International judges have found former Liberian leader Charles Taylor guilty of aiding and abetting war crimes during the Sierra Leone civil war.
Mark Golding
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You of course understand that believe in divine role of more powerful party was born long before US was even established as a nation. Also what you highlighted in your post is not exclusive to American believe. Take colonisation for instance. Or slavery. They have been driven by enrichment hunger disguised by call to save poor barbaric souls of African, Asian and native American people. White Men burden legend was born, and it was long before Jefferson and Franklin stipulated institute of slavery and extermination of Indians into American constitution.
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Divine role of a nation is disguise created for plebs in order to send men to die for ideas while few could make fortune in places like stock exchange.
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American power will eventually fade but the idea of divine role of a nation will remain for as long as humans are divided by races and national borders.
I think Mr Jones is adopting a position for the purposes of provocation, with which he would disagree, if his comments were attributable. There is a nucleus of truth to his assertion: Breivik is very pro-Israel.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/23/anders-breivik-norwegian-terror-suspect-admirer-of-israel-avigdor-lieberman/
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The reason he did it? Breivik’s actions are completely explicable without reasons. He is of a recogniseable mentality which does these things. The “reasons” are invented as an afterthought.
Mary
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ICC was set up by powerFUL in order to punish those who fell from grace. T Blair will only appear their as defendant if current world order changes, which I doubt happening during his lifetime.
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Like medieval Vatican inquisition ICC is good tool when a king needs to be punished for a greater good. C Taylor no doubt is demon but there are those him alike who still enjoy benefits of this imperfect world. This makes ICC quite illegitimate institution in my eyes.