The BBC believes that Kate Middleton’s tits are a more important story than western diplomats in danger of their lives all over the Middle East. Says it all about today’s BBC, really.
Killing people is not the solution to the World’s problems. Killing diplomats is particularly heinous as they are guests in a country, and are charged with keeping open the lines of peaceful communication between nations. Almost certainly Ambassador Stevens and his staff deplored the making and distribution of hate videos, and absolutely certainly they had nothing to do with it. Nor do the diplomats under seige today in Yemen, Sudan and Egypt.
Oliver Miles, the extremely sensible former British Ambassador to Libya, while deploring attacks on Embassies and their staff, made the obvious point on Sky News yesterday that America’s unflinching support for an expansionist Israel was the root cause of hostile attitudes to the USA acroos the Middle East. His interview was instantly terminated.
Miles’ observation is true, as it is true that direct and killing intervention by the US in Libya and Yemen has caused the situations that are now blowing back – often with US supplied or at least encouraged weaponry. But yet again, none of that justifies the racist attacks on westerners. Just as all Muslims were not responsible for Islamic terrorists, so all westerners are not responsible for the far right purveyors of anti-Muslim hatred.
All decent people must despair at the prospect of yet another cycle of violence. Powerful interests both in the West and in the Middle East are not amongst those decent people.
Of all the signals the West could send out to try to end the horrors wrought by the promoters of the “Clash of civilisations”, the most powerful would be to arraign Bush and Blair for war crimes. This is not a deluded hope of idealists; it is an essential step if the world is ever to heal.
Fed Up: Did it ever cross the minds of these Muslims, they are in effect condemning their fellow Muslims at large, and are reciting bits of Christianity that even Christians do not adhere to; “turn the other cheek” genre of stories? This is made more sinister with the said Muslims denouncing their fellow Muslims at large further, and show their disdain of various branches of the Islam. Is this an attempt in highlighting the sectarian aspirations of some of the said Muslims?
In any case, fact that the enraged Muslims at large across the world having been tormented to the extent that these can no longer tolerate their humiliations and the constant racism directed towards them, somehow is getting misconstrued and interpreted as their “archaic attitudes”. This is without any irony that the same dismissive conduct of the West about the Muslims at large imperatives, and their values systems are at the basis of the uprising, therefore rubbing salt into the wound is not the best way of calming the situation that has gone critical?
These pernicious comments promote even more hatred towards Muslims by further reinforcing the stereotypes in the West and holding these Muslims at large as violent psychopaths out on a jolly jut because some guy made a movie!
Supposing; a not so complimentary Holocaust movie was made and put on the youtube, what would be the reaction of the same bunch of tosspots?
How long will the movie last on the Youtube?
How many governments at once would be pressing charges and clambering for the extradition of the culprits whom dared to commit such a heinous act, by recourse to the laws set in place and rushing these offenders to be put on trial PDQ?
Lets face it, the racist undertones of such crass statements are the very reason that the Muslims have been provoked in the first place,
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Let’s face it. FedUp is the racist here given that he essentializes Muslims and expects them to skip to his wadical beat. If they get killed doing so then all the better because he thinks that authentic Muslims are violent and irrational.
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And if you want to watch Holocaust denial videos on You Tube it is quite easy. It is sadly predictable that in your outrage you demand some Holocaust denial videos (which is what I imagine you mean by “not so complimentary Holocaust movie”). So your thought experiment fails. Loser!
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And just in case you don’t believe me I will post a link to a video by the kind of idiots that you think won’t be allowed to spread their idiocy and would lead to “governments pressing charges” etc…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8UmMuRSSw&bpctr=1347724337
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And for those who are too dimwitted to realize, any time you want to watch pro-Nazi stuff you can type in “Holohoax” or some other idiotic term that people like FedUp revel in.
Who wants to make a bet? The pictures of Kate’s knockers are not going to cause riots.
Oh! And while I don’t want poor old FedUp to look any more foolish than he does already (I know, I know, “Is that possible?” you ask!), there are even shows where the Holocaust is not treated with the solemnity that FedUp requires for his dumb falsified theory.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O01kDSs-xzA
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And if you want to watch Holocaust denial videos on You Tube it is quite easy. It is sadly predictable that in your outrage you demand some Holocaust denial videos (which is what I imagine you mean by “not so complimentary Holocaust movie”). So your thought experiment fails. Loser!.
A link to youtube to substantiate your claims would be a good start.
A link that is to rival the vile hatred and despicable calumny that has been displayed towards the Muslims as is the case with the latest crap movie made.
Judging your sensitivity levels that you show towards an innocuous and benign footage ( Holohoax Survivors who Tell the Truth ) to justify the continuation of streaming of the vile movie that has brought on a tsunami of rage across the planet. This is a crazy attempt in comparing an oh so cream puff fight with the cross burning KKK lynch mob out on a jolly, and concluding fairness in representation.
The fact is you know better than anyone else; the days of ziofuckwits are over, hence this kind of last ditch attempt to delay the inevitable that is rapidly approaching.
As for the rest of your brain farts, well that is to be expected from specimens of your kind.
Let’s face it. FedUp is the racist here given that he essentializes Muslims and expects them to skip to his wadical beat. If they get killed doing so then all the better because he thinks that authentic Muslims are violent and irrational.
Pitiful comprehension of English followed by the enraged unconscious drivel.
We all know Blair and Bush are guilty. A trial would just be a formality to show respect for due process and possibly to also convince the most diehard (pro-establishment) skeptics (if that’s ever possible).
We all witnessed these two order the invasion of Iraq and the ensuing destruction and killings there. It not as if they’re powerless guys like Barry George or Sion Jenkins for whom the only “information” available was highly biased police reports containing strong innuendo of guilt alongside sensational news reports. We SAW it. We don’t need a court decision to convince us. The information that’s appeared before us is of better quality than a court decision.
So I will still refer to Blair a mass murderer — who used his word-manipulation genius to run rings round his highly experienced inquisitors in the Iraq inquiry.
He’s got away with it. And I think this article is spot on. The public will not accept one law for them and another for us. The world will slip into greater chaos if he is not put behind bars. That’s the nightmare yet to come.
A link to youtube to substantiate your claims would be a good start.
A link that is to rival the vile hatred and despicable calumny that has been displayed towards the Muslims as is the case with the latest crap movie made.
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I don’t think you’ve actually watched that silly movie that supposedly set off the riots. If it makes you want to burn things down then I suggest you see a doctor. If it doesn’t I suggest you consider why you have a lower opinion of Muslims than you do of yourself.
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You were the one who made the claim that if “a not so complimentary Holocaust movie was made and put on the youtube, what would be the reaction of the same bunch of tosspots”. Well, there are plenty of “not so complimentary Holocaust movies” available on YouTube. You are free to move the goalposts around all over the place if you really want to, and no doubt you will. But you were the one who said that such movies would never stay up on You Tube and yet they do.
@Angrysoba “And if you want to watch Holocaust denial videos on You Tube it is quite easy”
Which holocaust are you talking about Angrysoba? There have been so many of them: in Russia,the Ukraine,China,North America,Cambodia,India, Africa,Iraq, Afhanistan,El Salvador, Vietnam………..
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I don’t think you’ve actually watched that silly movie that supposedly set off the riots.
The problem is your limited and lame “think”, evidently you find deciding for others and living their lives by proxy a usual human activity, going so far as diagnosing medical maladies based on your experience of others lives that you are so busy living, and coming up with all manner of other conclusions.
Anyone who has seen the movie would be aghast at the vile hatred directed at Muslims. Further finger prints of the ziofuckwits are to be found all over this sordid affair.
The movie was filmed and first released in Southern California, but much else about its origins remains a mystery.
A man who identified himself as an Israeli American filmmaker claimed in telephone calls to news outlets Tuesday that he made the movie with backing from wealthy Jewish donors, but there were indications Wednesday that the name and story he gave were false and that the movie was tied to a group of Middle Eastern Christians who live in the U.S. and hold extreme anti-Islamic views.
Th e above has been further corroborated by the isreal nation news site. However the story goes on:
One activist from Riverside County said the film was produced by naturalized Americans who came from Arab countries. Steve Klein, who said he served as a script consultant, said that he and the producers originally called the movie “Innocence of Bin Laden” in hopes of drawing underground Islamic extremists in the Los Angeles area.
“The movie was only supposed to show in Hollywood,” said Klein, who described himself as “an unsophisticated James Bond.”
He added, “We passed out fliers at mosques around California where we knew there was a small percentage of terrorists. And the idea was to locate … those folks who believed Osama bin Laden was a great guy and to try to get them to come to the movie.”
Klein said the movie was filmed this year, but he would not reveal the shooting location or the names of the producers. “Innocence of Bin Laden” premiered at the Vine Theater in late June, according to three people with knowledge of the event. One said that the movie was notable for its terrible acting but did not seem anti-Muslim.
Less than two weeks later, a 14-minute trailer for the movie — now called “Innocence of Muslims” — was posted on YouTube by a user identifying himself as Sam Bacile. The scenes in the trailer portrayed the prophet Muhammad as a buffoon, suicidal, gay, lascivious and condoning of pedophilia.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/12/world/la-fg-libya-filmmaker-20120913
The end paragraphs are just a rear guard action; to run for the hills and pretend Qupts wot done it!
Which holocaust are you talking about Angrysoba? There have been so many of them: in Russia,the Ukraine,China,North America,Cambodia,India, Africa,Iraq, Afhanistan,El Salvador, Vietnam………..
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Yes, play dumb if you like. It could be a new Turing test; who is playing dumb and who is the real thing?
FedUp: Anyone who has seen the movie would be aghast at the vile hatred directed at Muslims.
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I think you should get out more. If you did you would be aghast at some of the vile words people use a lot. Everyday.
@Angrysoba “Yes, play dumb if you like. It could be a new Turing test; who is playing dumb and who is the real thing?”
..??? What,so you mean all these holocausts don’t matter? If i’m reading you right you’re saying that the Jewish holocaust in Germany and Poland is somehow ‘more valid’ than all other holocausts?
Whilst I have just joined this thread after many months of reading Craigs site I should of course contribute a much more ‘ political response ‘ . But as I agree with Craigs article and many posters [ Thanks Mary, for always excellent links ] I can only repeat the excellent gag by Frankie Boyle on the decision by the Royals to sue over Kate’s tits pictures.
” I could understand the Royals taking the moral high ground if one of them wasn’t hovering over it in a helicopter killing shepherds “………
I think you should get out more. If you did you would be aghast at some of the vile words people use a lot. Everyday.
There you go with your “think” again, living the lives of others, you will next tell when I go to gym.
Hatred is a prevalent preoccupation of those ziofuckwits bent on world domination, and shit.
Trying to divert attention from the vile attempts of ziofuckwits that has resulted in the uprising in thirty countries threatening the peace and stability of the world. All in the way of satiating the hateful proclivities of bunch of ziofuckwits.
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But of course because none can lay claim to being the self anointed and appointed chosen ones. The eighty million civilian deaths of WWII were an incidental fall out of the main fulcrum of the WWII!
I agree with Angrysoba,
Fedup definitely needs to get out more. Zioexpletive this, zioexpletive that, have you ever tried conversing with a real human being?
@Craig – the amount of ‘sensibleness’ seems to be considerable higher among former diplomats than among serving ones. Why?
I’m not talking about yourself here, but might Arab money be a reason some of the other former ambassadors dare mention the elephant in the dining room (the Zionist hold over the United States) after they’ve retired? Or did they suddenly acquire backbone?
It’s also to be noted that Robin Cook waited until his resignation speech before he kicked up a fuss about the non-enforcement of UNSC Resolution 242. Credit where it’s due – and his speech was at the opposite end of the spectrum from the speech made by Paddy Ashdown, who creepishly talked up his usefulness to the warfare state. But I’d have thought Cook’s realisation was nonetheless a bit bloody tardy.
Against such ‘consciousness that comes too late’, the Zionists and war criminals have little to fear. Many who behind the scenes (and away from the bugs and surveillance) aren’t exactly Israel’s greatest supporters (goodness knows how they dodged the Zionist spies when they were at university) must feel that saying anything about the issue would be far more than their post-office income and luxury opportunities are worth.
Then on leaving office, a few – especially from non-Oxbridge or non-Clarendon School backgrounds – find out that they were just being played along all the time. They learn that they ain’t going to rake in as much dosh as they thought, and that in fact their masters always had zero respect for them and probably laughed at them as soon as they left the room.
What this reminds me of is a certain category of SIS agent, who thinks they’re really in with the in crowd because they’ve eaten at the Athenaeum or White’s a few times, or at a couple of colleges at Oxford or Cambridge – but when HMG backs a regime change in ‘their’ part of the world, WHAM!, they’re out in the cold, and they realise they were really thought of as just a useful wog all along.
I completely support the call for indicting both Blair and Bush for war crimes.
How about an open letter from former senior figures in the armed forces, SIS, civil service, diplomatic service, etc.
List the charges: launching wars of aggression for fake reasons, which have led to over a million unnecessary deaths; the widespread use of torture and other breaches of the Geneva Conventions; etc. Mention the role of Israel: the widespread collusion with Zionist forces among senior officials, journalists, politicians, etc. in the UK and US, and the ‘doing a Nelson touch’ towards the activities of Zionist armed networks, and propaganda and intelligence networks, in the same countries. Where are MI5 when we really need them? The UK no more has its own security policy than Ireland does.
Current officials would be very welcome to sign the letter, even if they would instantly have to resign. Any who showed such backbone would deserve respect.
Of course we are a million miles from this.
“Of course we are a million miles from this”
I disagree – we are right there…
All this fuss about the Duchess being photographed ‘topless’ when many of the victims of our evil Empire (the honours doled out by these royals are given in the name of the ‘British Empire’) and that of the one over the Atlantic Ocean have been rendered truly topless.
I enjoyed this piece by the late Alexander Cockburn, a beautifully written close observation of the social and economic history of his home town, Youghal in Cork where he grew up. It is dated 1985 so predates Ireland’s joining of the EU, the property boom and then the banking crash. Another world.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/14/hometown/
I also liked the aphorism from James Joyce’s Ulysses. Does anyone know why the English are called ‘yellowjohns’?
Chris Jones: if you were educated in the UK you will know very well what people here mean by the Holocaust. It is ridiculous, if not disgraceful to pretend that the deliberate extermination of 12 million people is not horrendously memorable, or that other mass exterminations elsewhere in the world somehow make the horrors we should all be aware of – horrors which sprang from insane hatred, in our grandparent’s lifetimes, in a country next door to us – less ‘valid’.
These ‘wars’ do not spring from insane hatred of Muslims. It might now be convenient to discuss things in terms of religion: in fact Iraq was a largely secular state. But it had oil. Hussein was attempting to stop trading oil in dollars. Gadaffi was attempting to create a separate currency for oil trading. And Afghanistan has been the tragic warground of vested interests for centuries. What has happened to the oil pipeline which Karzai reportedly went to the US to discuss with Haliburton et al, I wonder.
What this reminds me of is a certain category of SIS agent, who thinks they’re really in with the in crowd because they’ve eaten at the Athenaeum or White’s a few times, or at a couple of colleges at Oxford or Cambridge – but when HMG backs a regime change in ‘their’ part of the world, WHAM!, they’re out in the cold, and they realise they were really thought of as just a useful wog all along.
I have seldom read comments as good as this. The parade of rouges in my minds’ eye is a feast for the initiate.
You bet we are at least a million miles away, based on the most optimistic assessments.
Yes Technicolour, i was educated on the island of Britain. If, rather predictably your trying to insuniate that, based on the fact that i think all holcausts are a crime against humanity, i dont think the deliberate persecution and murder of Jewish people was a horrific anti humanity crime, don’t you neeed to ask yourself some serious questions?
In other words, what kind of person are you if you think one holocaust is ‘more important’ than another… i would suggest your views are quite sickening
Chris Jones; you are being deliberately disingenuous: go back and read what I wrote, please. You know perfectly well what ‘the Holocaust’ means to someone who was educated in the UK. Incidentally your education obviously failed to teach you that it was not simply Jewish people who were persecuted and murdered, but gypsies, disabled people, writers, journalists, gay people and anyone else who resisted.
“??? What,so you mean all these holocausts don’t matter? If i’m reading you right you’re saying that the Jewish holocaust in Germany and Poland is somehow ‘more valid’ than all other holocausts?”
– crazy, man.
You guys are pissing over one another’s shoulders. Christ, you know it ain’t easy.
re: Ben Fraklin 4.26 pm
“Craig; Islam is not a defensive ideology, it is quite aggressive in it’s desire to convert or kill.
(Moors in Spain and Sicily) They don’t need to be attacked, or subverted in order to display
their bloody scimitars. It wouldn’t matter if we occupied their holy lands, or we left them alone.”
Totally racist. ‘Convert or kill’ was the attitude of the Christians who (re)conquered Spain. The Muslims in Spain, as everywhere, were quite happy to let Christians be, as long as they paid the tax.
Same in the Near East. That’s why Copts are there today, and Syrian Christians, and Iraqi Christians. And Jews. There would be no Jews alive at all today, if Muslims had followed the path you suggest they did.
@Technicolour “You know perfectly well what ‘the Holocaust’ means to someone who was educated in the UK”
A definition of holocaust is a complete or near total destruction of life. Interesting/telling that some may choose to define the word as a singular ‘The Holocaust’ I’m sure you are aware of the dangers of trying to own words and phrases, and castigating anyone who uses them in a way which you don’t approve of. Like has been mentioned here, many holocausts have been committed on the European continent, as elsewhere, since and before WW2, including the criminal murderous persecution of the European Jewish people.
Alexno; I note, with alarm, your refusal to address the psycho-sexual attributes of muslim culture. You can call me a racist all day long, but it won’t change the dynamics of their static evolution.
re: Ben Fraklin 4.26 pm
By the way, in the 4th century, the Copts did follow the path you accuse Muslims of. Their mobs rioted, and destroyed the pagan temples, and forced the people to convert to Christianity.
Alexno; Both sides are guilty. What makes you think I identify with christian? I have no such affiliations.
Now, about that psycho-sexual thing…