The BBC believes that Kate Middleton’s tits are a more important story than western diplomats in danger of their lives all over the Middle East. Says it all about today’s BBC, really.
Killing people is not the solution to the World’s problems. Killing diplomats is particularly heinous as they are guests in a country, and are charged with keeping open the lines of peaceful communication between nations. Almost certainly Ambassador Stevens and his staff deplored the making and distribution of hate videos, and absolutely certainly they had nothing to do with it. Nor do the diplomats under seige today in Yemen, Sudan and Egypt.
Oliver Miles, the extremely sensible former British Ambassador to Libya, while deploring attacks on Embassies and their staff, made the obvious point on Sky News yesterday that America’s unflinching support for an expansionist Israel was the root cause of hostile attitudes to the USA acroos the Middle East. His interview was instantly terminated.
Miles’ observation is true, as it is true that direct and killing intervention by the US in Libya and Yemen has caused the situations that are now blowing back – often with US supplied or at least encouraged weaponry. But yet again, none of that justifies the racist attacks on westerners. Just as all Muslims were not responsible for Islamic terrorists, so all westerners are not responsible for the far right purveyors of anti-Muslim hatred.
All decent people must despair at the prospect of yet another cycle of violence. Powerful interests both in the West and in the Middle East are not amongst those decent people.
Of all the signals the West could send out to try to end the horrors wrought by the promoters of the “Clash of civilisations”, the most powerful would be to arraign Bush and Blair for war crimes. This is not a deluded hope of idealists; it is an essential step if the world is ever to heal.
re: Ben Fraklin 9:50 pm
“psycho-sexual”. What has sex to do with this issue?
Can we believe truly what historians tell us
We cant be sure that most of what we are led to believe.
If they cant get facts right now it must of been the same then.
They say our controling clique have got to there assuming position through all means of treachery maybe bullshitting was as big gger pastime through history as it is now.
Lets hope so.
@Michael Mention the role of Israel: the widespread collusion with Zionist forces among senior officials, journalists, politicians, etc. in the UK and US,..
I instance several examples of collusion and actual treason. See
http://dhalpin.infoaction.org.uk/7-articles/political/52-requiem-for-principle-and-law-in-britain
It was partly about undeclared massive pecuniary interest in the red leather section. Lord Guthrie has an affinity with the Zionist entity as I always call it. (It has no characteristics of a state eg land acquired by armed force and by terror, ignored almost all UNGA and SC resolutions, constantly expanding borders, no respect for humanitarian law, aggressive wars, massive nuclear arsenal kept from IAEA! and NPF etc.)
The Free Dictionary
Usage Note: Holocaust has a secure place in the language when it refers to the massive destruction of humans by other humans. Ninety-nine percent of the Usage Panel accepts the use of holocaust in the phrase nuclear holocaust. Sixty percent of the Panel accepts the sentence As many as two million people may have died in the holocaust that followed the Khmer Rouge takeover in Cambodia. But because of its associations with genocide, people may object to extended applications of holocaust. When the word is used to refer to death brought about by natural causes, the percentage of the Panel accepting drops sharply. Only 31 percent of the Panel approves the sentence In East Africa five years of drought have brought about a holocaust in which millions have died. In a 1987 survey, just 11 percent approved the use of holocaust to summarize the effects of the AIDS epidemic. This suggests that other figurative usages such as the huge losses in the Savings and Loan holocaust may be viewed as overblown or in poor taste. · When capitalized Holocaust refers specifically to the destruction of Jews and other Europeans by the Nazis and may also encompass the Nazi persecution of Jews that preceded the outbreak of the war.
Word History: Totality of destruction has been central to the meaning of holocaust since it first appeared in Middle English in the 14th century, used in reference to the biblical sacrifice in which a male animal was wholly burnt on the altar in worship of God. Holocaust comes from Greek holokauston (“that which is completely burnt”), which was a translation of Hebrew ‘lâ (literally “that which goes up,” that is, in smoke). In this sense of “burnt sacrifice,” holocaust is still used in some versions of the Bible. In the 17th century the meaning of holocaust broadened to “something totally consumed by fire,” and the word eventually was applied to fires of extreme destructiveness. In the 20th century holocaust has taken on a variety of figurative meanings, summarizing the effects of war, rioting, storms, epidemic diseases, and even economic failures. Most of these usages arose after World War II, but it is unclear whether they permitted or resulted from the use of holocaust in reference to the mass murder of European Jews and others by the Nazis. This application of the word occurred as early as 1942, but the phrase the Holocaust did not become established until the late 1950s. Here it parallels and may have been influenced by another Hebrew word, ô’â (“catastrophe,” in English, Shoah). In the Bible ô’â has a range of meanings including “personal ruin or devastation” and “a wasteland or desert.” ô’â was first used to refer to the Nazi slaughter of Jews in 1939, but the phrase ha-ô’â (“the catastrophe”) became established only after World War II. Holocaust has also been used to translate urbn (“destruction”), another Hebrew word used to summarize the genocide of Jews by the Nazis.
PS Early in 2008, Mitan Vilnai promised a ‘greater shoah’ for the Palestinians in Gaza, which resulted in Operation Cast Lead Dec 2008 – January 2009.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/shoah-an-admission-arabs-say/2008/03/02/1204402273515.html
More grim news from Afghanistan.
Two British soldiers have been shot dead in Afghanistan by a man wearing a local police uniform, the MoD has said.
The troops, from 3rd Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment, were killed at a checkpoint in the south of Nahr-e Saraj, Helmand province, on Saturday. The men’s families have been informed.
Most Americans are prevented from healing the wounds of 9/11 by exceptionalism and remain in a state of denial despite the truths uncovered by their own scientists and researchers.
The fact that their government failed to protect it’s people is a truth too painful to bear.
Yet that truth is crucial to America’s advancement and so it will be America’s new generations who will demand a new investigation into 9/11 to resolve the conflicting emotions that threaten their belief integrity and confuse their existence by a fear of the truth. It is time to overcome that fear of alienation, that fear of damaged pride, that fear of feeling hopeless and vulnerable.
Censoring and ridiculing the messenger is not the American way and confronting one’s humility is the path towards healing. You owe that to the families of those Americans that lost their lives at the World Trade Center. You are now the messenger for those that can no longer speak and convey their pain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tTMMNTisBM
Alexno;
Giving you the benefit of doubt, I will repeat; something I rarely do.
“Islam is not a defensive ideology, it is quite aggressive in it’s desire to convert or kill.
(Moors in Spain and Sicily) They don’t need to be attacked, or subverted in order to display
their bloody scimitars. It wouldn’t matter if we occupied their holy lands, or we left them alone.
What they object to most, is western culture messing up their tidy world of epic woman-hating. Oh, except for their mothers. That’s the dichotomy. Their cognitive dissonance about conflicted emotions around child-bearing, coupled with sexual immaturity in males, perpetuated by the grooming and enabling of the male children by those same mothers, makes them a Freudian nightmare . The emotional cauldron resulting creates a short-fuse for tolerance of opinions not their own. We see such hizzy-fits in children when they don’t get their own way. Imagine a child’s viewpoint in a grown man’s body. That’s what we have here.”
To further clarify, let me add that I have had 17 years of dealing with muslims in my business.
This conclusion (with which you will, undoubtably will disagree) is based on my interactions with
those muslims (and Christian Arabs in minority numbers) of the Farouzi, or lower classes, but upwardly mobile, and highly intelligent people.
They are raised with a male entitlement, to the denigration of the female gender. Mothers have a salient role in inculcating the superior nature of males, as to female. The ambivalence toward the female as sexual partner is engendered by the role of ‘Mother’, who must be perceived as asexual because the act itself makes a woman a whore if she enjoys the experience. Hence you have ritual excision of the clitoris in muslim culture. They MUST NOT enjoy the experience.
As a consequence of the mother’s enabling of the male child in rearing, the male enters adulthood with the perception engrained. This self-same attitude creates an atmosphere of immaturity in the sexual congress between the muslim man and his mate. She, of course, as spouse, will reinforce this attitude, as she is a victim of that culture, just as the male is. Naturally, this is a greater disadvantage for the female, but that is their accepted role.
Please correct my perceptions as you see fit. But use logic, rather than emotion, as that is the problem with muslim males.
BREAKING NEWS:US State Department orders evacuation of non-essential personnel from posts in Tunisia and Sudan
Perhaps they could evacuate all of their personnel from their hundreds of bases and stations worldwide.
Despite HMGs effort to enforce the Divine Rights of Kings and block access to any site that might have the photos, I can say that I have beheld the royal Baby Feeders and, surprise, they look just like a bunch of tits.
Boringly like all others and perhaps why ‘they’
don’t want the servants to see them…
Re Afghanistan
“A number of aircraft, hangars and other buildings at the base were hit and badly damaged by insurgent fire.” (Guardian)
Although the concentration of the story in the media on the attack on Camp Bastion has been on the number of American dead and wounded, and the fact that prince Harry is safe, I wonder whether the success of the attack wasn’t in the number of aircraft destroyed. It sounds like a lot, although the figure is not given.
OK, the US has endless replacement capability. But it is the first time we’ve heard of US aircraft being destroyed on the ground. I should think the event will be repeated.
Alexno;
Your rude non-response has been duly noted. Please do not address me further.
Alexno
Psychos always find a sexual angle to all things, reading through the bollocks that is getting pontificated, the “analysis” equally holds true for Jewish as well as Christian, and Hindu faiths. However the fog of racism does not allow the pontificating specimens to actually understand and see the general ramifications of the bollocks they spew.
If one religion is bad then all religions could be bad, if that is the case then all the laws derived from the religions are bad therefore all our societies are sick and dysfunctional to varying degrees that obtains each individual belonging to any of these societies are sick too, wish includes the fuckwits who pontificate such a crap and are in a race with no less than gods themselves.
Fedup;
Please elucidate your findings…..’All sides do it” for our entertainment. I scarce, can find on iota of truth in your generalized blather.
So the Islamofacist thugs decide to murder a few diplomats, because they don’t like freedom of speech being used by some silly filmmakers and so that they can celebrate the slamming of aeroplanes into skyscrapers and murdering a few thousand innocent people. And Craig the ex diplomat suggests that the correct response would be a war crimes trial for Bush and Blair. I can see why you are an ex diplomat. Fortunately the Saudi mufti has now provided a rather more sensible response
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iMVUBNAEb5gyYaruZTf2d33h1Tcg?docId=CNG.a99026c3455803d7421133e213c566d2.3a1
This situation is so depressing. Where does one begin? Perhaps one could do worse than to begin with a cosmic chord. Forgive me, but here is something from another time to uplift the spirits – Eddie Grant on guitar – play it loud!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5G3Ffta-ic&feature=related
I’ve had this argument thrown at me by Zionist zealots (ziofuckwits) when describing, the genocidal attacks on the Palestinians by religious supremacists, “What genocide, they’re still alive aren’t they!”, only one holocaust it seems counts. Even if the unsupportable six million figure were true, the US has caused far more senseless violent deaths than that. People need to re-calibrate their index of awfulness.
It is not very productive for the British establishment to cast themselves as wise Greeks to barbarous Rome (the formerly United States of America) and recall we counselled that recognising a Jewish state was a monumuental fuck-up and would have infinite repercussions. Bullshit! This country paved the way for the US to destroy itself, by commiting it as we did to aims incompatible with national interest.
World War I produced the Balfour Declaration and League of Nations. Liquidation of the Ottoman Empire. World War II produced the UN and the destruction of Palestine and liquidation of the British Empire. The greatest conflicts of the last century all served Zionist ends, the overwhelming majority of the victims of both big conflicts were not Jewish. Plans afoot for a third global war to expand the Israeli state will almost certainly kill many and liquidate the tottering US Empire.
Time to get face down this nasty excresance that has raised itself above all nations. 1967 borders -no, 1948 borders -no. 1945 borders, one state called Palestine.
Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia condemns anti-US violence
So with his kind of defender of Islam no wonder the racists bastards have been taking the piss out of Muslims.
It is difficult to discern the policies of the KSA from the shitty little strop of land as the days go by.
Fearing the start of a revolution and toppling of the most corrupt regime of mid east the grand mufti is taking up positions to calm the probable unrest and subsequent uprising in Saudi.
Sheikh Abdelaziz al-Sheikh on Saturday condemned as un-Islamic violent protests against an anti-Muslim Internet film made in the United States.
The mufti also denounced the film’s dissemination, which he considered “a criminal act,” but called on demonstrators to “not turn legitimate protests into unauthorised provocative acts,” in a statement quoted by the official news agency SPA.
However this fatwa clearly shows the uprisings are not planned in any way and are only the reaction of individual Muslims outraged at their treatment by the ziofuckwits and heir sponsors in the West.
Saudi is clearly spooked by the probable backlash ending in more than just a protest in an all out revolution.
“Killing diplomats is particularly heinous as they are guests in a country, and are charged with keeping open the lines of peaceful communication between nations”
Ambassador Steven’s was the “liaison” to the Transitional National Council in Libya based in Benghazi, throughout the NATO bombing of Libya. He had as much blood on his hands as the pilots of the planes.
*crickets chirping* That’s what I thought. Try a little objectivity, Islamoapologists. It’s not just Bush, Blair, CIA, MI5., and the JOOOOOOOOOS. We are dealing with a backward culture of epic proportions
Thanks for that link Suhayl, it has brought memories back, the smell of leather jackets, great music and proper bikes. May I reciprocate, imho. this woman clearly is the best Funk singer that tickled my eardrums,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNcohPUr1PI&feature=list_other&playnext=1&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AuConKvOVcC-483DRU9Lsz
@ Technicolour – i don’t think its right that i said your views are ‘quite sickening’ – i take that back and shouldn’t have used that phrase. However i still strongly disagree with your points and your assumptions. I hope that helps in terms of a generally constructive debate and understanding
I’m a little concerned at some of the sweeping generalisations being bandied around. Here are some sites which people may wish to explore – some UK-based, some US-based. There are more like this. I also recommend people read anything by Ziauddin Sardar, Khaleel Mohammed, Monica Siddiqi or Amanullah de Sondy – and many more:
http://www.musliminstitute.org/home
http://www.mpvusa.org/
http://www.bmsd.org.uk/
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/quran/static/ziauddin_sardar.html
www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~khaleel/
http://gaymuslims.org/2009/07/12/obsessive-scottish-muslim/
http://progressivescottishmuslims.blogspot.co.uk/
Thanks to the mods for letting this post with multiple links through!
Did anyone enjoy the song by The Equals?
Chris Jones: feel free
Well done everyone for ignoring the demonisation of Muslims attempted by several posters here, including, apparently, people who are of that faith themselves. Pointless to point out that none of the Muslim people I know have gone through, or support, clitoral mutilation, or murder, or war; that someone coming on and wildly screaming ‘they’ while making up all sorts of vicious generalisations should really get some help. But I will, anyway.
Ben Fraklin [sic]: “We are dealing with a backward culture of epic proportions” Yes it is called religious belief, it’s not specifically a Muslim problem. If they’re such a backward culture, why not leave them to wallow in their antedeluvianism. Stop filling their bodies with radioactive DU. The Muslims are harming no-one, just their own reputation. Whether you like it or choose not to accept it, they are part of the human family, have contributed hugely to our science, literature, art and more. It is a perfectly reasonable position to defend the adherents of a religion from undue unjust attack purely on the basis of their religion, even when your gut feeling is that like most religions its basis is a lot of hot air, a con-trick. If that makes me an ‘Islamopologist’ then I’m proudly one, because they’ve taken far more than anyone could tolerate, are collectively beyond breaking point and their unpredictability scares you.
What is your ‘Final’ Solution for a “backward culture of epic proportions”? And who are this backward culture of epic proportions, there are very many candidates?
Cryptonym,
Seventy years of killing with the latest weapons systems of the relevant era, seventy years of constant warfare, and mass killings, and mass destruction of the Palestinians. These Palestinians are still fighting the occupation of their lands.
One hundred years of sock puppets put in charge of the various benighted nations paying fealty to the West and all things Western.
Still the respective nations of these sock puppet leaders are fighting their own corner and have not been assimilated; becoming good consumers. Their resistance is found to be rooted in the cohesion of these target groups through their faith Islam. Hence the onslaught on Muslims and their faith. Anticipated responses to be expected from a failing empire.
Romans used to feed the Christians to lions and wild animals as a way of dissuading them from following their faith, these days drones and movies have replaced the lions and the gladiators.
Ziofuckwits are at a loss, how long can these go on killing yet remain as the occupiers and be shunned and denounced? Moreover, their victims are not afraid of them and no amounts of guns and bombs seems to be cowing these into submission.
The brain farts of the various reactionary elements on this thread are telling of the desperation of their masters and are reflective of their instructions.
Organised people are a threat to the designs of the self awarded “masters of the universe”, hence any means of organisation ought to be smashed up and rendered useless. This in turn translates to the current onslaught on the Muslims and their faith.
I’m glad that we’ve at least established that ‘a holocaust’ does not belong to any one people…thats a result
Great post.
Just an observation. I’v noted there is a big slit of opinion in the Guardicon atm. I can’t believe how many fail to notice the circumstances even going on news only in that paper. I think theres an influx of US recently but still it amazes me the ignorance.
Thing is in the US at least, it would be considered material support for ‘terrorists’ if one was to recommend they use none violet protest. And so far Obama had indicated that title for these protests.
What I see here are protests and some crimes. What’s the bets they get well investigated?
And just to note, for those who think we live it such a civilized society by comparison, Of all the places i’v been the UK is the most aggressive violent angry and irrational. And we are not occupied, interfered with, or exploited any way near as much…
Being frivolous for a moment, but for an individual Xian being eaten by the aforesaid creatures, would do more than dissuade them from following their religion, it would ensure it. A dead Xian is first and foremost dead. Sending out clay reliefs depicting their devourment, for those who missed it would both set an example and be a senseless provocation.
Starting with an alternative background to this issue, in which an unpartitioned state called Palestine continued to exist, subject to irresistible changes in population and land ownership, and which had not part exterminated and forcibly ejected the native people. No doubt friction would have continued and worsened, with or without outside intervention (UN etc.) there would have been reciprocal murderous attacks by one or another or both upon the other community, which would have continued till an agreement could be made by force or might triumphing over another weaker or less fanatical, (nasty, but recognisibly the current situation) exhaustion or mutual annihilation (double nasty!). Surely by this route this problem would have resolved itself by now, outrages by either side regrettable history and something approximating peaceful co-existance would pertain now.
Only satisfactory resolution of the Palestinian’s limbo status and injustices can bridge this void between so many people with greater mutual interests in common, than divides them.
Have people seen this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203892/Nick-Harvey-axed-supporting-Iran-attack.html
Planet in danger. Ultimate craziness from once-fringe German-crank-theory-that-became-a-country possibly closer than we think?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html