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Sorry Pink, that’s the best I can do, maybe it can be customised.
Maybe someone who uses Twitter can help.
@M
Have you tracked the phone story ?
I may be wrong I thought they discovered the phone call from LR later on.
If they had Sm’s phone wouldn’t they know about it straight away, unless he deleted it I suppose, I haven’t paid close enough attention to know how it came to light I just thought it was later on ,I bet Max will know if you don’t he looked at the phone calls.
M
Pink, in the Non-Elucide, the phone was found with him, that is how he was identified, according Vinneman.
Good In Parts
I wonder if Sylvain Mollier
has a background?
They certainly seem to have a lot of fires in Savoie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=23&v=TCavEUstMtg
This one about six miles from Le Martinet
(but not thought to be suspicious)
http://www.ledauphine.com/savoie/2015/07/07/violent-incendie-dans-le-centre-ville
Those Fire Fighters are kept really busy.
I wonder why FRANCE has so many more fires than in ENGLAND?
Pink,
SM going downhill is a refreshing thought. In a recent post-LMC) timeline calculation, I estimated SM being at Martinet for 5 minutes, if not more. And I wondered how that could be.
But if SM went past the barrier and turned around to go back downhill that becomes a possibility.
In a conservative estimation, SM could have gone 1 km beyond Martinet. But maybe, if the guy was really fast (much faster than WBM e.g. 22-25 km/h versus 10 km/h for WBM) he could have gone even 2 kms beyond Martinet
Now, I wonder how far the tarmac goes beyond Martinet. Iirc Canasson mentioned 2 kms (?)
Max if you listen to this he mentions the track at 6:00 on .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLgnAaM9Ws
Also at 2:19 its sound like he goes to say Moped or Motorped instead of Motorbike and corrects himself.
@Pink
2 kms more tarmac I guess
http://www.cycling-challenge.com/col-de-cherel-col-du-plane-loop/
« The forestry road climbs up the beautiful Combe d’Ire valley, accompanied by the noisy but scenic little Ire river. After just three kilometres the road is closed to cars – sweet. At times, this can be very steep with one full km at 12%, and with 5 kms to go the road becomes gravel and bumpy – hard work. But fun in this deserted mountain valley. »
SM going 20km/h will do 2 kms in 6 minutes, and the downhill in 3 minutes, total = 9 minutes
It would imply that WBM was back at Martinet 9 + 4 (the ‘4 minute window’) = 13 minutes after SM arrived uphill at Martinet
Ahhh:)
If SM took over WBM in Chevaline, they have another 4 kms to go to Martinet
If WBM drove 10 km/h = 24 minutes
If SM drove 20 km/h = 12 minutes
Yup, SM arrived 12 minutes before WBM at Martinet … which exactly matches the 13 minutes as guesstimated above
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This means that Pink’s idea is possible. Well done! 🙂
“Sad though it will be to see it, their textbook is likely to say that the Greek debacle of 2015 was not the end of the euro crisis, but its real beginning.”
Quote William Hague
If the start of Sylvain Mollier’s last journey on 05/09/2012 was normal,
then it is very likely he was not the prime target of the slaughter.
If the last journey of Sylvain started abnormally,
then it is quite likely he was in the frame from the off.
Although I misinterpreted the ‘5 kms’ in my previous post, it doesn’t change a lot, because Martinet to Col de Cherel seems to be around 7-8 kms, so the tarmac runs for antoerh 2-3 kms beyond Martinet.
If Pink’s idea is right, then very probably SAH must have been the target
@Pink: 😉
@Max Not really my idea just helping out MN with it was a french thing .
I don’t have a clue what happened,my brain hangs on to little details and tries to find a home for them ,now I am wondering if there was a moped ,do we know for certain what bike Melvin was on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
I think we should go the whole hog and do a reverse speech on the radio 5 interview to see if it turns up anything interesting .
Max your the gadget man .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_speech
Got to go out today will look in later.
Ok, the credits belong to whoever it was (not me:)
CS went home…. which meant SM could ride his bike. That is fact.
CS shuts the shop for lunch. It re-opens in the early afternoon. That how shop-keepers work in France (especially “rural France”).
How regular did SM ride his bike ? Every day ? Every Wednesday ?
At that point in time, TS also worked at the shop. A pharmacist would be on duty.
But we don’t know how “regular” SM was with his afternoon bike rides.
But we do “know” SM was shot at 1545.
The shop would open at 1415.
And CS raised the “overdue alarm” at 1700.
When was SM actually “over-due” ?
Even if “bad news” travels fast, this shouldn’t effect CS as in her view SM is “most certainly not” at the Martinet.
At 1545 SM is 1 hr 15 mins from being “enough over-due for an alarm to be raised”.
Forget how this suspicion was raised (“unanswered mobile call” or whatever), how long would it have taken SM to get from the Martinet to home….and “not be over-due” ?
For example…. (total speculation) if SM was to leave and return during the two hours and fifteen minutes set aside for “lunch” (the shop being closed), at 1545 he would already be an hour and a half over-due (and still alive).
If he was “over-due” at 1600. He’d have a mere 15 mins to get from the Martinet to home…and be “on-time”.
A crucial time is “1540/1545”.
SM is not “over-due” AND is confident of reaching home “on-time”.
Assuming SM was not going to continue “over the hills” on the bike he had, was (in his mind) the Martinet “the half way point” of his ride ?
Assuming he would return home via the same route he had taken to get there, the “time taken” for the “outward” and “inbound” legs would be the same (well under 1 hour 15 mins). Which means SM would have set off for his ride “at the end of Claire’s allotted lunch break” (well after 1400).
@ James
By its very nature, a hill-climb is asymmetrical: the (outbound) uphill part requires a lot of time and effort, whereas the downhill (inbound) part is a breeze. SM would easily have averaged > 50 km/h on the latter. If we assume that he already was on the inbound leg of his trip when he got shot at around 15:45, he would have been due back home at about 16:00.
The latter fits with the alarm being raised at 17:00. People tend to think in even time increments, making it more likely that the alarm will be raised precisely after one hour rather than after 47 minutes or an hour and eight minutes.
Much has been made of the fact that CS raised the alarm so quickly. However, I don’t consider that strange at all. As someone who was in the habit of cycling alone at speeds typical of an amateur racer, SM’s biggest fear would have been a crash that left him lying with broken bones in a crevasse by the roadside. (I have mentioned before that cars having gone off the road have lain undiscovered for weeks in this area.) In such a situation, it would have been imperative for the search to start as early as possible, with as many remaining daylight hours as possible. If I had been in his situation, I should have instructed CS to do exactly what she did.
CS went home ‘pour le libérer’ (CS went home so that SM could go biking)
Imho, SM jumped on his bike as soon as CS came home
CB sounds as if it was not a regular thing. Otherwise she might have added that is WAS a regular thing
To me, it sound like a one-time thing, and in that case there is a link between X and CS. CS is instrumental. No CS coming home would have X waiting in vain. Why would X wait in vain?
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This is my interpretation (and extrapolation) of the words of CB. Of course SM still could be collateral. No problem with that. But in case SM=target, imho one needs to decode the CS bit.
Pink (and all)
Rough calculation says that SM might have been BEYOND Martinet when LR phoned (15h32). It even might be that SM turned around after/because of(?) this phone call. 2 kms downhill (40km/h) would take 3 minutes. 15h32 + 3 minutes + turning around = 15h36 at Martinet
The conversation between TS and SM about the route I wonder where that happened ,at the pharmacy ,at the house or on the phone Sm was planning a ride TS came up with a suggestion it sounds like it may have been the same day so when did they meet up to talk.
@ Max how did EM find out about the phone call from LR do you know ?
So who did initiate the legal shenanigans
between the “Family” of the dead Sylvain Mollier and the media?
http://www.unionesarda.it/multimedia/articolo.aspx?id=425275
more French madness! Alain Kespy a retired nuclear scientist in a shootout with the police. Interesting collection of weapons, 2 P06 lugers
As I have said it would be astonishing if Carolline Blanvillian told a lie in court.
Try this for an English Example…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33448382
Barrister Constance Briscoe
So, if Caroline says in court, this a court case brought by the “Family” of the dead Sylvain Mollier against two media organizations,
that Sylvain called Claire Schutz at work to come home so he could go out.
We must believe that is what Claire has told Caroline.
Anyone else in the Pharmacie Schutz, would have known that, unusually, Claire was leaving her business in Grignon to drive to Ugine, just so her boyfriend could go out for a cycle ride, her staff must have been laughing behind her back.
Perhaps somebody tipped off somebody else?
Or perhaps as Claire was unusually leaving ( at that time of day)the Pharmacie Schutz,
outside a fireman called “hello Claire where are you off to at this time of day”
Michael, if a self-employed MALE Pharmacist with Assistant Pharmacists arranged to go home to look after the baby and give his girlfriend the time to go to the gym, to the hairdressers or just meet with some friends for a coffee, would his employees laugh behind his back ?
Women would applaud him for being so considerate. A stay at home man isn’t the norm,some 17% do it these days, and that isn’t
Claire is the boss, she pays their wages, in a small retail outlet most of the planning is made in advance. Qualified personnel needed on site at all opening hours.
Max, finally I have been able to listen to the Sound Cloud of Blanvillain, she did not avoid the question, she merely said, well basically Mollier was a good cyclist and he enjoyed his hobby, Claire came home to give him some free time.
Amongst the cyclists here, did you always say where you were going when you left on your bike ?
@M
« Amongst the cyclists here, did you always say where you were going when you left on your bike ? »
No, that is the point!
But X did know about the location AND the time. So :
1. Either SM told him (X/Y) this (e.g. a meeting)
2. OR X calculated/deduced this (e.g. by overhearing, combining info, etc.)
Option 1 is obvious. Could be anybody.
But option 2 has a limited set of people in the know. To me TS is #1 for this option
@ Pink
The LR phone call was in the phone records (Le Parisien). I guess that simply means the call log on SM’s phone. So EM knew from day 1, but it only appeared 1 full year later in Le Parisien (and that’s because JMD leaked it, from a closed press conference … as far as I understand it)
MN Its a good idea that Claire mentioned it on the way out, they would not know where he was going to intercept him though ,unless he did it a lot more than we were told like his uncle said.
Thanks Max for the information on the phone , it does seem possible from your timings that SM went up higher and back down in which case was it concealed from the public is what I am wondering.