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Let us see how many of the (possible)actors live / lived locally
Jean-Luc Falcy lives within cycling distance
Eric Devouassoux lives within cycling distance
William Brett Martin lives within cycling distance when in Haute-Savoie but is from ENGLAND
Sylvain Mollier lived within cycling distance – now dead
Patrice Menegaldo lived within cycling distance- now dead
Mr. Brun lived within cycling distance – now dead
Nicolas MOLLIER-THOMAS lived within cycling distance – now dead
Nicole Communal-Tournier lived within cycling distance – now dead
Jean-Paul Communal-Tournier lives within cycling distance
Claire Schutz lives within cycling distance
Thierry Schutz lives within cycling distance
I’ve left the motorcyclists off my list because nothing is publicly known
Also, the five individuals who are being held in remand for the killing of
Nicole Communal-Tournier all, also live within cycling distance. ( when not in prison)
M.
Question:
Do you think the people involved in the murders have been following the blogs, no matter what language ?
Answer:
I don’t think LMC has been following the blogs at all, if les gendarmes found out he had, it would have been rubber horse time.
As to the rest, I suppose their interest declined exponentially as time passed.
I think the shooter simulated this decline in interest.
GIP, do you think the ‘authorities’ would be able to request IP address details from the blog hosts ? It would be an interesting excercise to tie up who was looking in/commenting where and when, see how many cross each other and from what countries.
Or would they be limited just to traffic, Max once gave a breakdown of visitors to his blog, I have no idea how these things work.
@ M., 4 Oct, 2015 – 12:08 am
“The authorities” don’t have to ask anybody for anything, they could quite easily hoover up the IP addresses of all visitors to this site in real-time. However, most IP addresses are dynamically assigned ones, i. e., the IP address that you are using right now was previously assigned to another subscriber, and will soon be reassigned again. Hence, “resolving” IP addresses to individual subscribers requires access to the respective Internet provider’s records logging which particular subscriber the IP address in question was assigned to at a particular point in time.
The UK authorities could no doubt get UK Internet providers to hand over those data, the French could strong-arm French providers and so forth, but “resolving” the entire lot would require a herculean supranational effort. Moreover, some visitors will use proxy servers or virtual private networks in order to prevent their IP addresses from being resolved in such a manner. For state-level actors, there are ways and means around most of these obstacles, but I don’t think that even their best efforts could resolve more than 80% of IPs.
MZT did some little light traffic analysis back in the day. Unfortunately, there were no really suspicious visitors that stood out. However, there was a surprisingly large number of French IPs, most of which lurked passively without contributing anything. Far more interesting than those passive site visitors were the people who chose to contact MZT over the phone, via e-mail or via anonymous letters. There were quite a few of those, rather intriguing at times. Max has probably experienced the same phenomenon, although he comes across as somewhat less approachable by not publicly revealing his real name and so forth.
The killer may already be dead. If he isn’t, I don’t think that he is going to show his hand by intensely following discussions like this one. The novelty of watching a bunch of demented amateur sleuths putting forward countless far-fetched and intricately woven theories concerning something that, to the killer at least, is crystal-clear and as simple as it could be, must have worn off long ago. However, there might come a point when he feels sufficiently secure to mock those hapless fools and their efforts by revealing his superior knowledge of what really happened on that day. If he ever does so, I reckon that it will be by means of a personal letter or e-mail – to a journalist like Ducos, to a blogger like Max, or directly to Eric Clouseau. Perhaps he has already done so … (One thing that has struck me for a long time is that Eric Clouseau has scrupulously refrained from trying to goad the killer. Doing so should be easy enough, since the fact that he tried to bludgeon a little girl to death proves beyond doubt that he is a sexually inadequate windowlicker. Yet Clouseau has never done so, and I wonder why: is it because he wants to avoid setting the killer off again, or is it because he hopes that the killer will be tempted to call in and set the record straight?)
Peter, great bit of insight, thankyou.
More Madness near Grenoble
http://www.ledauphine.com/isere-nord/2015/10/04/sardieu-un-homme-blesse-par-balles
“An altercation between two drivers took place in the night from Saturday to Sunday in Sardieu. A man aged 24 was wounded in the thigh by a bullet. He was transported to University Hospital of Grenoble. His prognosis is not engaged. The circumstances still to be determined. Prosecutors in Vienna has opened an investigation.”
Vienna ? Doh!
MN, try to get a rudimentary grasp of French or at least the region, Sardieu is about 60kms from Grenoble and in Isere.
But you might be interested to know the vehicle Frederic Brun died in (driven by his brother, Jordan) was registered in 01/Aine…..
Mollier-Thomas had been in Noumea, Nouvelle Caledonia, Claire’s cousin, Julien now lives there with his partner and daughter. Oooh, spooky.
Laurent Schutz and his partner Celia are expecting their second child, her sister-in-law is also pregnant and Claire has a new love, Luc David.
I wonder why Zaid went to Hong Kong and Borneo whilst he was on bail, maybe just the holiday was booked before his brother was murdered and he couldn’t get a refund.
Questions, questions and more questions.
Zaid obviously isn’t involved in his brothers probate as he assumes the money is from the future sale of number 26.
Cold, cold, cold….
@ M
do you think Mr. Mollier-Thomas just drove off the bridge on a Sunday afternoon, a mile from his child-hood home?
The accident happened before he got to the bridge.
circulait sur une petite route de montagne au lieu-dit Flumet d’Aval, au-dessus du pont de Flon, à Saint-Nicolas-la-Chapelle, quand l’accident s’est produit. Il a été éjecté de son véhicule et était décédé à l’arrivée des sapeurs-pompiers et du Smur d’Albertville.
http://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers/2014/10/27/l-enquete-se-poursuit-apres-l-accident-mortel-d-un-pere-de-famille-de-39-ans
Maybe he answered his mobile, maybe he’d had a bit too much sauce, maybe he swerved to avoid an animal, hey maybe he swerved to avoid a cyclist !
That is the nature of accidents, shit happens.
MN, I appreciate your efforts but trying to tie up all the deaths in Savoie/Haute Savoie to the mass murders in
the mass murders at Le Martinet in DOUSSARD is just, as Peter wrote ‘a bunch of demented amateur sleuths putting forward countless far-fetched and intricately woven theories’, cough !
You have left out a friend of Leo’s, Robin M-B, poor kid killed himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident
M. & Peter
Peter has covered this, thoroughly as always. I would add that on some providers in the UK the IP address can be the same for months (or longer) even if it not a fixed IP account.
I wonder whether traffic analysis was what got our little friend Pádraic into trouble? Smithers, er I mean Pádraic, was a tad over-protective of his beloved boss, and somebody noticed reasonably quickly.
Text analysis would also be interesting. By now there should be more than sufficient, even from a noisy source like this, to paint a broad picture of the regulars.
I may be a demented dilettante, in fact I’m fairly sure that I am, but my obsessive nature is balanced out by indescribable idleness, so I have not even got started on the more far-fetched possible theories. . .
However it looks like our destination is outlandish as the official pistes lead nowhere.
Hello sleuths,
anybody got the knowledge of what the main piste of Eric Maillaud is?
La tuerie de Bozel, Savoie devant les assises
The father, Florent Lenisa, 49, the youngest son, Benjamin, 17, little Victor, 8, had been shot dead and mother, Murielle, 44 at the time, was assaulted in the family cottage,
Bozel, Savoie,July 26, 2012. ( not far from Grignon)
The case involving an esteemed family had petrified the valley of Tarentaise. The eldest son, Jordan Lenisa arrested without difficulty on site at the relevant time and now aged 27, is appearing this morning before the Assize Court of Savoy in the double criminality of murder and attempted murder. He faces life imprisonment. His trial is expected to last all week, the verdict is expected Friday.
http://www.ledauphine.com/savoie/2015/10/05/la-tuerie-de-bozel-devant-les-assises
this happened a month before the Slaughter of the Horses
It is a family affair, the chardged man Jordan, their eldest son was arrested on the spot. I suppose they’ll have to decide if he was sane at the time, whether he was under the influence of drink or drugs.
He certainly wasn’t a free man in September 2012.
MN, if you want to read EM’s current thinking you need to look at the link posted recently:
http://www.letemps.ch/societe/2015/09/13/un-sacerdoce-nom-victimes
“Lui semble penser que la piste du tireur isolé, un déséquilibré sans doute, demeure la plus crédible.”
I’d say something like that if I want to try to catch someone with their guard down !
If it is the answer, then none of the victims were linked to the gunman.
Yes, a family affair,
Jordan Lenisa shot his father and two younger brothers in the head,
then tried to kill his mother.
Thank you M,
It does not seem to me that Eric Maillaud has uttered anything new?
Why does he always insist
“Sylvain Mollier, a Savoyard cycling, embarrassing witness, was also shot”
if Sylvain was shot the most times, why was he also shot?
Could it be that Sylvain was shot first and last and received the most shots?
If that is the case, in what way was he also shot?
Sylvain was shot five times, 17 hit human targets, one to Zainabs left shoulder, four to Saad, head and torso, four to Iqbal neck and chest and three to Suhaila, neck and head.
Hey but you know that, apparently two to his back, one to his cheek another to his head, that’s four, maybe the gunman just offloaded the last one left because he could, maybe he wasn’t dead, he groaned and got the last one to finish him off (a bit like hunters do to injured prey).
I wouldn’t say there is that much in it, two to the back a sort of running away hit, similar to Saad and his one in the back.
Another shot at the car appears to have hit Suhaila from the initial volley, that being the case and with Zainab shot before she could get into the car, you end up with 1 to Saad, 1 to Suhaila, 1 to Zainab and 2 to Sylvain.
It is the overall damage that interests me, I realise it is foolish to not consider Sylvain as anything other than an unwelcome witness, the chances of it being the other way around are much slimmer, just an opinion.
There really isn’t anything dodgy about Sylvain, but plenty of confirmed fodder against the Al-Hillis, that is just a very simple fact.
The dilemma, if it was a random nutter then all are unwelcome witnesses… for just a bit of shooty shooty on a pleasant early September afternoon.
Let us say Sylvain was not a target, in the way that you might be suggesting
the al-Hilli party were.
Why would he have been shot more times than any other victim
as Eric says “Sylvain was also shot”
It has the sense of Eric Maillaud not being able to consider that Mollier might have been one of the intended targets, as if from the off, he has dismissed that option,
tunnel vision perhaps?
I would like to suggest the FRENCH get rid of Eric Maillaud he is worse than useless,
his thinking is blinkered.
Maybe. He now admits he isn’t convinced about anything anymore, his instinct and let’s be honest he isn’t the only person, there are two Juges d’instruction and Gendarmes running the investigation, led them to look at the number of bullets spent on the people in the car, which on the face of it far outweighs those spent on Sylvain.
In hindsight he probably wishes he hadn’t said it, nevertheless as he states in the TP book, looking into the life of Sylvain was far easier than the Al-Hillis and went nowhere, they have spoken with some 800 people, I feel sure that the majority of them were in France.
MN, whether he should have said what he did, the result is the same, the liklihood of the family being the chosen victims is higher with all that is known today.
That’s just the way I see it.
Anyway, as there is no further activity in the Press to salivate over, I’m calling it a day. Should things change I’ll certainly be back.
Bet wishes to you all.
Best !
M.
And to you.
I have just noticed thar Tim Veaters website has been hacked by someone called Security crews
http://inquiringminds.cc/al-hilli-and-mollier-killings-chevaline-france-tim-veater
This is an interesting link it mentions that the gun fragments were found near the bike .
Also that BM spent only four minutes at the scene whether that’s official or their interpretation I don’t know .
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2012/10/27/tuerie-de-chevaline-les-secrets-d-une-scene-de-crime_1782012_3224.html
If there was only one bad man and 25 bullets were recovered from the scene of the slaughter that means the shootist must have used four clips.
So did the shootist discard any clips?
@MN
When I search about my conspiracy theory “like a film” I found an old “Toutefois, sauf dans les films, il est peu courant de se balader avec un pistolet et trois chargeurs.”
in http://moreas.blog.lemonde.fr/2012/10/30/quadruple-meurtre-de-chevaline-larme-du-crime/comment-page-2/
but after a found this …
http://moreas.blog.lemonde.fr/2012/10/01/limbroglio-des-meurtres-de-lessonne/
🙂
So if you were in the middle of slaughtering multiple people, surely you would just drop the clips/magazines.
Even if you had time after all the killings and collected them, surely three clips would have hit the ground during the shooting?