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Was it ever said what caused the fatal explosion at Marcoule?
http://www.france24.com/en/20110912-fatal-blast-rocks-french-nuclear-waste-management-site-marcoule
https://nuclearstreet.com/nuclear_power_industry_news/b/nuclear_power_news/archive/2016/01/18/edf_2c00_-areva_2c00_-adjust-provisions-aside-for-cigeo-facility-010802
FRANCE being very quiet about this fatal accident?
Not being familiar with medical examiners and their procedures in the deep south, I wonder how they treated JT’s sudden death. Wouldn’t he have had an autopsy, toxicology tests and possibly the ME visiting his home to look for evidence, such as medications he was taking? Maybe the ME looked around at papers left about? And certainly, the ME would have talked to his doctor. There are legal procedures in place for investigating sudden deaths, and the surviving family members have no say in it.
If no poison was found in the toxicology tests, it doesn’t mean there was none. It could just mean that there was no reason to test for it, as the man apparently had a heart attack.
Andra’s Cigeo deep geological storage project is designed to ensure long term management of FRANCE’s radioactive waste, and is still subject to approval?
Codolet fatal accident
The incineration plant
This furnace consists of three rooms:
The primary chamber: the temperature there is 900-1000 °C
The secondary chamber: the temperature of 1100–1200 °C
The tertiary room
Solid waste is fed into the primary chamber. By cons, liquid waste is injected either in the primary chamber, or in the secondary chamber according to their chemical composition.
The ash and slag are collected and linked in a “glue” by the method of inerting cold. They are then packed in metal drums and shipped to the National Agency for Radioactive Waste (ANDRA).
The incinerator has a rated capacity of 5000 tons / year of waste.
An explosion September 12, 2011 caused the death of an employee, and injured four others. This has happened in a furnace at the site of reprocessing nuclear waste Marcoule. It was an “industrial accident” and not “nuclear accident”.
Disposing of Nuclear waste and preparing to dispose of Nuclear waste, seems very hazardous.
Q, as I understand it, an autopsy for a non-suspicious death would have had to be paid for, presumably by the family or from the deceased estate.
The man was overweight, suffered high blood pressure and had apparently complained of chest pains, two of his brothers are also dead.
Some people will say anything to get attention, Judy, as you pointed out, claimed much of the stuff printed were not her words.
MN, not really.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2016/01/26/01016-20160126ARTFIG00186-dechets-nucleaire-un-eboulement-sur-le-site-de-bure-fait-un-mort.php
The site isn’t operational yet.
‘Disposing of Nuclear waste and preparing to dispose of Nuclear waste, seems very hazardous.’
‘hazardous waste’, I reckon that’s a clue, but I could be wrong.
GIP, I looked at the same, checkout the date of the Satellite views over the murder scene, the one you see is old, the most recent was during the snows so not used as the general oversight.
Bacchus et al, don’t laugh I still feel there is a kinda overexposure on the 2011 satellite view above the Bewicks and the other property, with similar markings. It looks as if the ‘slide’ has got too close to the lightbulb. Slightly destroying the film and making colours appear around it.
The experimental laboratory of the National Agency for the management of radioactive waste (Andra) at Bure is the essential part of the future storage project to bury 500 m depth approximately 80,000 m³ of high- and medium-level waste and long-lived from the die of the civilian and military atom.
Antinuclear fiercely opposed
http://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2016/01/26/a-quoi-sert-le-laboratoire-experimental-de-l-andra-a-bure
However this project would seem to be essential for the continuity of the FRENCH Nuclear industry.
How many workers must die?
The FRENCH Nuclear Industry must suck a monstrous amount out of the FRENCH state budget?
“Facing a new controversy over the amount of the estimated cost by Andra to 34.4 billion euros, but largely lowered by financial project, EDF mainly followed by Areva and Energy Commission Atomic (ECA), the Minister of Ecology Segolene Royal has officially decided on 15 January for a price set at 25 billions euros.”
As we’ve said before, the FRENCH \state owned nuclear businesses
would offer plenty of scope for intrigue and espionage?
@ Q, 26 Jan, 2016 – 4:38 pm
You vastly overestimate the efficacy of the medical examiner system. It is only on TV that an ME will rummage through a deceased person’s belongings and medicine cabinet, chat with his primary care physician, commission an expensive tox sceen for a middle-aged regular Joe and so forth. In reality, an ME will perform two, three or even four autopsies a day, for each of which he or she is paid a pittance. They don’t have the time to do house calls.
There are legal procedures in place for investigating sudden deaths, and the surviving family members have no say in it.
That’s a double no. Said legal procedures pertain to suspicious deaths, establishing the cause of which is in the public interest, regardless of their suddenness. Prima facie, JT’s death would not have been deemed suspicious, unless he had been found with his throat slashed or a crack pipe in his hand.
The surviving family members do have some power of veto, particularly if they are Jewish, as some interpretations of Judaism proscribe autopsies. Vice versa, privately commissioned autopsies are very expensive and hence extremely rare.
How “unusual” is it for a cremation to be refused by police….
…as in, there maybe a need to exhume the body for test IF anything is out of the ordinary, at some later date ?
Surely toxicology would be performed, prior to any funeral (particularly in this day and age).
Should the question be…. is there a limit to what tests can be legally conducted on a deceased person, that is though to be innocent of any involvement in a crime….and merely “just a passby” at the scene of a wrong doing…resulting in their own, unrelated to the events, murder ?
For example, would a victim be tested for “drink and drugs”, or would such an action be deemed a violation of their Human Rights or the family concerned Privacy (and quite fairly, as the Deceased would have not been deemed/accused/suspected of being involved in any criminal action) ?
A scenario…. say if a drugs user was walking along on the pavement and was knocked down, by accident, by a stolen bus….as the bus was being pursed by the police.
Would that victims body be routinely tested for signs of “drink and drugs” (amongst other things)…. of would such action/is such action deemed a violation of their “previous” Human Rights ?
I ask as…. if Mollier had (totally alleged …and there is not one scrap of evidence to assume he was ever involved in such) been involved in any type of drugs taking….BUT deemed to be merely “collateral damage”, would his body have been tested for any type of substance abuse/irregularities ?
On the other hand, if it were the case that he was believed to be “targeted”…. then ANY and ALL aspects of his life would have been investigated…one of which may have been, “did such a person have an involvement in the drugs culture” (and so, the necessity for such tests).
@M.
http://www.ouest-france.fr/normandie/saint-lo-50000/dans-la-manche-nous-ne-sommes-pas-egaux-face-google-maps-3991646
BRITAIN’s first new nuclear power plant in decades could be delayed amid reports an EDF board meeting to decide whether to invest in Hinkley Point Power Station has been postponed.
The FRENCH energy firm’s board was expected to meet on Wednesday to finalise the decision.
But French paper Les Echos and environmental group Greenpeace said the decision had now been delayed reportedly due to funding difficulties.
EDF declined to comment on the reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35415187
This is all linked,
The Nuclear Industries continue to haemorrhage money in an unsustainable way.
If it is EDF/AREVA/CEZUS paying for legal representation by Maitre Carlone Blanvillain
for the disrespect of the body of Sylvain Mollier and to attempt to SHUT UP the media,
you might think they could put their money to a better use?
@ James, 26 Jan, 2016 – 9:32 pm
A firearms slaying is by definition a suspicious death, and the victim would routinely be autopsied in such a case, if only to prevent the killer from claiming later, “He was already dead when I shot him”, or “He was drugged up to his eyeballs, foaming at the mouth, and attacked me without any reason whatsoever”. Thus, I am positive that SM was autopsied, including a tox screening.
By contrast, prohibiting a cremation after the routine autopsy had already been performed is quite unusual. It could simply be a case of the authorities being excessively cautious, but, to my mind, it probably suggests that the pathologist found something suspicious about SM’s physiology and wanted to wait for the results of the tox screen to come through in order to determine whether those anomalies were congenital or had exogenous causes such as substance abuse.
In a recent survey by German cycling magazine “Tour”, 25 % of readers admitted taking performance-enhancing substances that a panel of experts judged to be dangerous or even potentially life-threatening. Thus, even though he was not a competitive cyclist, it would not be completely unthinkable for SM to have taken similar substances (perhaps, er, provided by the local pharmacy). Knowing whether or not he was on such substances could help the gendarmerie better understand what transpired at the Martinet, because many of these substances are psychotropic and can cause bouts of violent aggression.
What if Sylvain really did work for CEZUS ( or an associated organization)
but as well as being a lowly welder he was also employed in counterespionage.
It is such a void,
that we really do not know much about the back story of Sylvain Mollier.
An excellent post by Peter.
Sylvain seemed to be among other things a fitness fanatic.
Did he just keep himself ridiculously fit for his own psyche
or because he had a new much younger girlfriend
( I doubt that he would need that level of fitness to perform with Claire)
or because he was occasionally expected to perform extra special activities?
Bacchus
His code name is Condor. In the next twenty-four hours everyone he trusts will try to kill him.
M 26 January 6.45pm
part of your wish has been answered.
FRANCE’s Justice Minister Christiane Taubira resigned on Wednesday, President Francois Hollande’s office said. Parliament is expected to debate a controversial constitutional reform that allows people convicted of terrorism to be stripped of their French citizenship in certain circumstances. Taubira, who was often at odds with the government over policy, has expressed reservations about the plan. The president’s office said her resignation was accepted. Jean-Jacques Urvoas, known as a strong advocate of the government line on such reforms, is to replace her, Reuters reported.
MN, FABULOUS, made my day !
According to TP, unlike the original reports of ‘temporary burial’, Molliers body was returned to the morgue and privately cremated a couple of weeks later.
It took weeks if not months for the families bodies to be sent to the UK for autopsy and eventually washed at the cemetery before burial.
The back story is he was a keen cyclist, it was his passion, his hobby, he would cycle several times a week, is this so different to the people who jog miles regularly ?
Or go to the gym, or bodybuild ?
Something said to me recently, when people push themselves at a sport, the brain releases endorphines that gives a similar euphoria to sex.
How long would it take for tox reports ? Blood tests in general can be accessed the same day, about a week for DNA tests such as spondylitis, one pinprick of the thumb reveals alcohol immediately, what about performance enhancing steroids ?
@GIP
WHY NOT ?
Das ist ein kleiner Schritt für einen Menschen, ein riesiger Sprung für die Menschheit
http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/print_wirtschaft/article144019745/Codename-Condor.html
Cheers for that “Peter”.
And “M”.
You mentioned body-building. That’s also an amateur sport which is riddled with amateur drug taking, even when the person concerned is NOT involved in it “competitively”, so to speak. It is a “funny” sport indeed.
Going back to the “temporary burial”. You say “According to TP, unlike the original reports of ‘temporary burial’, Molliers body was returned to the morgue and privately cremated a couple of weeks later”.
That is even “more curious”.
I recall the photographs of Mollier’s funeral. At least I assume it was Mollier’s funeral. But now, are we concluding that there was no “full” funeral conducted at that time ?
After the service, his body was NOT buried, but returned to a mortuary or funeral parlour ….and at a later date (when permission was eventually granted), his body was cremated (in line with his/his families wishes) ?
Whilst it may have been deemed necessary for the police (for reasons unknown) to delay any cremation of Mollier’s body, why did the family go ahead with his funeral (or rather memorial). And then have to endure the same event again, a few weeks later.
They have experienced a terrible loss and a horrific shock. I could not even imagine their grief and devastation.
It would not be beyond any reasonable “onlooker” to appreciate that, in such a complex and delicate investigation, it would not be beyond reason that there is a delay in any funeral arrangement (be that a cremation or a burial). We would, afterall, be non the wiser.
To hold a “funeral” (or “temporary burial” as it was said in The Press) and then have the Deceased returned to the mortuary, only for later to have a another funeral/cremation…would seen “curious” at the very least.
I ask….as you do… what “test” would require such a wait ?
Whatever samples needed, clearly had been taken. The body of Mollier was released to his loved ones. And I would not doubt, they were informed that a delay was necessary, prior to his eventual cremation. Had there been a “slip up” at this stage ? With the funeral arranged, the police informed the family then that a “full funeral/cremation could not infact take place…and so they decided to go ahead with the “memorial” (completing the ceremony at a later date).
The question remains….what test results were the police awaiting ?
@ M., 27 Jan, 2016 – 1:03 pm
Testing for performance-enhancing drugs is not easy – if it were, sports such as competitive cycling would cease to exist in their present form. Most of these substances are taken in cycles, with professional athletes timing their cycles such that they are “clean” during the competition season, when they can expect to be tested. As an amateur, SM need not have worried about such tests, but he still would have taken the stuff in cycles, if indeed he did take any.
In between cycles, the first and perhaps only hints of substance abuse would be physiological anomalies: abnormally high red blood cell counts and/or abnormally high hormone levels and/or signs of liver damage, perhaps an abnormally enlarged heart, perhaps signs of skeletal growth in certain areas, that kind of thing. If anomalies like those were discovered, determining their likely causes would require extensive and time-consuming tests, tests that they can perform on dead bodies but not living athletes.
As it happens, I currently take a lively interest in the side-effects of these substances because, a few weeks ago, a promising young athlete went on the rampage in my own neighbourhood, causing extensive property damage to my house and others. In the process, he displayed almost superhuman strength and an incredible imperviousness to pain, leaping through window panes, tearing down fences with his bare hands, that sort of thing. After a few drinks in a nearby bar (really just a few, the police did test his blood alcohol levels after his arrest) he suddenly flipped and did a King Kong number on the neighbourhood. Luckily, I was not at home at the time, but the sight of the damage that this guy caused with his bare hands was a stark reminder of how dangerous “roid rage” can be.
Here’s a question that we have asked before:
if both Saad al-Hilli and Sylvain Mollier had both worked in the Nuclear industries,
yet in different countries,
how bizarre it would be for them both to be slaughtered in a remote combe in the same incident, if they each had no connection to the other?
If Mollier took seven balls,
S.M took more balls than anyone else.
It seems unlikely he was only passing whilst lost,
that would be very, very, very unlucky.
If you were trying to make out that the local Frenchman and France were just
accidental,
you would have FAILED.
MN, FIVE….
SM 5
SAH 4
IAH 4
SAS 3
ZAH 1
That’s the 17 of the 21 fired that hit a human.
Apparently the last one according to Maillaud in TP’s book was into the forehead, Rizet said one was in his cheek.
James, the photo definitely is a funeral wagon, so a coffin came out of it and went into the buiding.
The French generally do the business three days after death, it is their custom, I certainly agree that they may have at one point said the body would be handed over to the family, then retracted it, so they let the funeral go ahead.
Apparently the cremation was then a very private affair, it is still a rarity in France, and few go to this in normal circumstances. I have known two such where only the children of the deceased attended, there was no funeral.
With all the media attention, maybe they just didn’t want a circus, afterall whatever happened on the 17th September it was also a Sunday, funerals on Saturdays happen all the time, never heard of one on a Sunday, probably done to avoid a queue !
We all know what the Crem is like in the UK, in one end out the other and don’t overrun !
M if you go on French Wiki
it says that Sylvain Mollier took seven balls.
If it is not true, I am stunned that Maitre Caroline Blanvilian dies not take them to court for insulting the body of S.M.
M
But France has “Crems”…. I mean, people (the living) use them to cremate their loved ones. As a business, why build something no one uses them ?
The answer is….of course the French use them.
Maybe in smaller numbers, but sufficient enough to be a business.
I cannot escape the “unusual-ness” of Mollier’s funeral (either one) and yet I know that is crazy, as the material needed to conduct any examinations would have been taken.
So why a “funeral” (and the Press must have known that there was going to be a funeral), but no funeral ?
Was the body even released at that time ?
The time the pictures were taken.
1. A funeral without a body and a Press photographer some distance away.
2. Tox Reps could have been conducted by that time.
3. A “low” attendance for a “well loved guy”.
Something just doesn’t add up with Mollier.
I have no idea what.
It is a most unusual death.
And a most unusual funeral.
At Mollier’s age…..
…..did he really say “I wish to be cremated if/when I die” ?
As a pilot, we have to “state” many things, in the event of our unfortunate demise. It comes with the territory. Aircraft crash.
But a metal worker….?
And his family with a “keen sense of” he wants to be cremated, we better do that.
I cant figure that out.