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8,044 thoughts on “Not Forgetting the al-Hillis continued”

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    michael norton

    You asked Why Paris?

    Well, one answer would be that they could not use the actual scene, Le Martinet parking, because it has in the last few years been extensively re-modelled. In particular, the wooded berm that separated the upper and lower parking areas has been completely removed, leaving one unitary parking area.

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    Good In Parts

    https://www.midilibre.fr/2024/10/12/tuerie-de-chevaline-une-nouvelle-remise-en-situation-organisee-le-17-octobre-sur-une-base-aerienne-desaffectee-dile-de-france-12256552.php

    From the link above:-

    “According to information from RTL , a new re-enactment is to be organized this Thursday, October 17, at a disused air base in Île-de-France.

    Although its precise objectives are not yet known, France Info specifies that the victims’ lawyers have been summoned but that no witnesses should participate.”

    Why would the victims’ lawyers be summoned?

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    michael norton

    I do not believe that Sylvain had a mobile phone with him on that last cycle ride, he was on a mission.
    I do not believe Sylvain had a last phone conversation with his wife/ex-wife on that hill climb.
    That story was dropped in, to frame the “wanted” time line.

    Can a dead person have a lawyer, how could that dead person appoint a lawyer?

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    michael norton

    Can we imagine that the killer had a mobile phone with him, while he was preparing to be killing people.
    Imagine, he is secured, just down hill in the bushes, as Sylvain cycles up, the killer’s phone goes off, Sylvain is alerted, even if the killer does not make a move, Sylvain will know that a person of interest is hiding in the bushes.
    Imagine if the killer was shooting people, the clip runs out of ammo, so he needs to make a rapid magazine change – his mobile goes off, quite off-putting.
    For these reasons, I very much doubt that the killer, that Sylvain nor W.B.M. had mobile phones with them
    at that time.
    The other reasons they might not want mobile phones with them during this time,
    if they survive and they are “caught” by the police , then their mobile phones can show where they have been in the run-up to these events.
    They would also show who they had been in contact with, in the run-up to these events.

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      michael norton

      Remember, W.B.M. could not make a phonecall, after he had stumbled onto the scene.
      He apparently went slightly down hill, then he met people coming up hill, he got those people to make the phonecall to the emergency people.
      It was later claimed that W.B.M. could not make that phonecall, as he could not get a signal.
      I expect the reason he could not make a phonecall was because he did not have a mobile phone.

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    michael norton

    I typed this into the internet.
    “Can a dead person have a lawyer”

    the answer came up
    “No, a dead person cannot have a lawyer, but a solicitor can help with the estate of someone who has died”

    So, who would these lawyers be representing?

    What sort of reconstruction of a mass murder, would not have the people who survived the shootings?
    What sort of reconstruction of a mass murder, would not have had people who were present, at or almost at the scene of the murders?

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    michael norton

    “Although its precise objectives are not yet known, France Info specifies that the victims’ lawyers have been summoned but that no witnesses should participate.”
    This, if true, seems a rather unusual reconstruction.
    It is almost as if the French state is ochestrating the narrative?

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      intp1

      “French state is orchestrating the narrative?”

      It certainly isn’t the normal objective of a reconstruction: to shed light, for the purpose of investigation a crime. What use are lawyers, or anybody who wasn’t there?
      It sounds like this is, as you say, to give out (one way) information to said lawyers.
      A possibility is a representative of Zaid al Hilli; he has seemed the most vocal party, belligerent to the French authorities.
      Other possibilities are the children may have a lawyer. SM’s wife may also but what are such lawyers interested in settling?

      A higher altitude question though is, what necessitates or warrants paying lawyers at this point? What is at stake monetarily? Is someone being sued?

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      michael norton

      Île-de-France
      is over 12,000 square kilometres of land.
      I wonder why so limited in the description of the site of this reconstruction of The Slaughter of the Horses?
      The fact that it is claimed this is on a military base, albeit not fully functioning, close to Paris, hundreds of K. away from the actual site.
      This must be politically determined by the government/security services.
      They do not want information leaked to the public.
      lawyers must toe the line, whatever the line has been deemed to be.
      Perhaps the DNA reevaluation has turned up trumps?

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    michael norton

    Mobile phones, twelve years ago, I would guess about 3/4 of people would have carried a mobile phone with them.
    One motorcyclist, one killer, one near-witness, four adult victims.
    So seven adults up that combe.

    How many mobile founds found there way in to police custody?

    So at least five mobile phones should have been taken in to police custody?

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      michael norton

      What I was hinting at, was if very few or none at all mobile phones were recovered/sequestrated by police, that would be quite telling.
      If almost nobody took a mobile phone up that combe.
      That was because they were on mission.

      Of course, it could also be, that “somebody” removed all the mobile phones from the crime scene, not releasing them to the police.
      Either option, would mean – mission.

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    Good In Parts

    Below is info on some of the summoned lawyers:-

    “According to our information, no witnesses are expected to participate in this new re-enactment. On the other hand, all the victims’ lawyers have been invited by the investigating judges, namely the lawyers of the Al-Hilli family (William Bourdon and Colomba Grossi) and the lawyer of the deceased cyclist’s sister (Juliette Chapelle).”

    I had seen the names of the lawyers for the Al-Hilli family previously but did not know that there was a lawyer acting for Sylvain Mollier’s sister.

    Check out a translation of the link below:-

    https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/tuerie-de-chevaline-nouvelle-remise-en-situation-le-17-octobre-prochain-sur-un-site-militaire-7698505

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    Good In Parts

    This link below from 05/29/2024 is really worth a read, both for the impact on the life of LMC and for the gendarmes conclusion:-

    “Unless new information comes to our attention, this line of thought is definitively closed”, concludes the report. The new scenarios developed by the investigators now retain the same hypothesis, the New Zealand cyclist made a mistake in his testimony, he met the motorcyclist much further from the car park, 1.3 km from the scene of the killing.

    https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/enquete-rtl-tuerie-de-chevaline-comment-le-motard-a-ete-mis-hors-de-cause-7900389190

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      michael norton

      So do you think this could mean, that the “Authorities” have been finding a way, to get W.B.M. to change his story?
      If that has been the case, to me, that indicates, “They” could not make all the timings, “Line Up”
      What, they would not want to come out, would be that the public understood, there had been governmental involvement.

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    intp1

    Re the RTL reports:
    RTL may or may not be reputable, born out of Radio Luxembourg, now owned by a Belgian/Durch/German parent which is a Société Anonyme, providing for some obscurity for shell company owners.

    Interesting Points for me:
    * The lawyers mentioned are in two groups, representing SM’s sister plus niece and also representing Zaid, and his (victim) nieces. Implying that these clients are pressuring the French to resolve the crime and who was responsible. (Really? They are being paid privately to beat on the French authorities for over a decade?)
    * One of these reports states that the Luger handle WAS red/brown, however it also claims that the gun specifics and manufacturing batches have been established via ballistics, rather than or in addition to, the ID from that type of handle.
    IF that ballistics info is true, then my proposal that the handle fragments were dropped to muddy waters would be disproved and therefore, if so, this crime may have been on a lower professional level than a planned professional hit team because this weapon is not an efficient assassination device suitable for a planned multiple shooting.
    There is however plenty of other evidence consistent with with a more organised hit with State sponsored support so not sure how that can be squared. Can you really ID batches of weapons from ballistics? via particular rifling characteristics? I don’t know enough about it.

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