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michael norton
You asked Why Paris?
Well, one answer would be that they could not use the actual scene, Le Martinet parking, because it has in the last few years been extensively re-modelled. In particular, the wooded berm that separated the upper and lower parking areas has been completely removed, leaving one unitary parking area.
https://www.midilibre.fr/2024/10/12/tuerie-de-chevaline-une-nouvelle-remise-en-situation-organisee-le-17-octobre-sur-une-base-aerienne-desaffectee-dile-de-france-12256552.php
From the link above:-
“According to information from RTL , a new re-enactment is to be organized this Thursday, October 17, at a disused air base in Île-de-France.
Although its precise objectives are not yet known, France Info specifies that the victims’ lawyers have been summoned but that no witnesses should participate.”
Why would the victims’ lawyers be summoned?
I do not believe that Sylvain had a mobile phone with him on that last cycle ride, he was on a mission.
I do not believe Sylvain had a last phone conversation with his wife/ex-wife on that hill climb.
That story was dropped in, to frame the “wanted” time line.
Can a dead person have a lawyer, how could that dead person appoint a lawyer?
Can we imagine that the killer had a mobile phone with him, while he was preparing to be killing people.
Imagine, he is secured, just down hill in the bushes, as Sylvain cycles up, the killer’s phone goes off, Sylvain is alerted, even if the killer does not make a move, Sylvain will know that a person of interest is hiding in the bushes.
Imagine if the killer was shooting people, the clip runs out of ammo, so he needs to make a rapid magazine change – his mobile goes off, quite off-putting.
For these reasons, I very much doubt that the killer, that Sylvain nor W.B.M. had mobile phones with them
at that time.
The other reasons they might not want mobile phones with them during this time,
if they survive and they are “caught” by the police , then their mobile phones can show where they have been in the run-up to these events.
They would also show who they had been in contact with, in the run-up to these events.
Remember, W.B.M. could not make a phonecall, after he had stumbled onto the scene.
He apparently went slightly down hill, then he met people coming up hill, he got those people to make the phonecall to the emergency people.
It was later claimed that W.B.M. could not make that phonecall, as he could not get a signal.
I expect the reason he could not make a phonecall was because he did not have a mobile phone.
I typed this into the internet.
“Can a dead person have a lawyer”
the answer came up
“No, a dead person cannot have a lawyer, but a solicitor can help with the estate of someone who has died”
So, who would these lawyers be representing?
What sort of reconstruction of a mass murder, would not have the people who survived the shootings?
What sort of reconstruction of a mass murder, would not have had people who were present, at or almost at the scene of the murders?
“Although its precise objectives are not yet known, France Info specifies that the victims’ lawyers have been summoned but that no witnesses should participate.”
This, if true, seems a rather unusual reconstruction.
It is almost as if the French state is ochestrating the narrative?
“French state is orchestrating the narrative?”
It certainly isn’t the normal objective of a reconstruction: to shed light, for the purpose of investigation a crime. What use are lawyers, or anybody who wasn’t there?
It sounds like this is, as you say, to give out (one way) information to said lawyers.
A possibility is a representative of Zaid al Hilli; he has seemed the most vocal party, belligerent to the French authorities.
Other possibilities are the children may have a lawyer. SM’s wife may also but what are such lawyers interested in settling?
A higher altitude question though is, what necessitates or warrants paying lawyers at this point? What is at stake monetarily? Is someone being sued?
“Thursday, October 17, at a disused air base in Île-de-France.”
So, that happened a fortnight ago.
Île-de-France
is over 12,000 square kilometres of land.
I wonder why so limited in the description of the site of this reconstruction of The Slaughter of the Horses?
The fact that it is claimed this is on a military base, albeit not fully functioning, close to Paris, hundreds of K. away from the actual site.
This must be politically determined by the government/security services.
They do not want information leaked to the public.
lawyers must toe the line, whatever the line has been deemed to be.
Perhaps the DNA reevaluation has turned up trumps?
Mobile phones, twelve years ago, I would guess about 3/4 of people would have carried a mobile phone with them.
One motorcyclist, one killer, one near-witness, four adult victims.
So seven adults up that combe.
How many mobile founds found there way in to police custody?
So at least five mobile phones should have been taken in to police custody?
What I was hinting at, was if very few or none at all mobile phones were recovered/sequestrated by police, that would be quite telling.
If almost nobody took a mobile phone up that combe.
That was because they were on mission.
Of course, it could also be, that “somebody” removed all the mobile phones from the crime scene, not releasing them to the police.
Either option, would mean – mission.
Austria
https://lessorsavoyard.lemessager.fr/649324684/article/2024-10-14/tuerie-de-chevaline-nouvelle-reconstitution-expertises-adn-du-nouveau-dans-l
Comparaison d’empreinte
Autre fait marquant, RTL annonce aussi qu’une « série de nouvelles expertises ADN a été ordonnée sur différents scellés, ainsi qu’une comparaison d’empreinte en Autriche ». Les résultats ne sont pas encore connus.
Anybody got any further info on this?
Perhaps the Luger came from Austria?
Or perhaps the shootish was from Austria?
or both?
Georg Johann Luger (6 March 1849 – 22 December 1923) was an Austrian designer of the famous Luger pistol and the 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Luger
Although Georg Luger was born in Austria, it does not seem the Luger was manufactured in Austria
michael norton
I wondered whether there had been one, or more, ‘similar’ crimes in Austria, where DNA had been gathered and they thought that it was worth checking. The gendarmes seem still to be focused on a ‘local’ killer and by ‘local’ they seem to mean french or swiss. However they have been clear that they have not excluded the possibility of an itinerant or seasonal worker.
It also seems to imply that they have in fact found some usable DNA from their most recent efforts and that said DNA was not that of emergency crews or gendarmes, or indeed in the criminal DNA database. If true, that is good news.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-roland-drexler-gunman-who-34005940
Maybe 50 people on his list.
Austrian Roland Drexler found dead
Roland could be a likeness of the goatee motorcyclist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchberg_ob_der_Donau
Kichberg has a similarity with Chevaline, both villages above 500 metres in the Alps.
Below is info on some of the summoned lawyers:-
“According to our information, no witnesses are expected to participate in this new re-enactment. On the other hand, all the victims’ lawyers have been invited by the investigating judges, namely the lawyers of the Al-Hilli family (William Bourdon and Colomba Grossi) and the lawyer of the deceased cyclist’s sister (Juliette Chapelle).”
I had seen the names of the lawyers for the Al-Hilli family previously but did not know that there was a lawyer acting for Sylvain Mollier’s sister.
Check out a translation of the link below:-
https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/tuerie-de-chevaline-nouvelle-remise-en-situation-le-17-octobre-prochain-sur-un-site-militaire-7698505
It seems that Juliette Chapelle represents both the deceased cyclist’s sister and his niece.
see link below:-
https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/info-rtl-tuerie-de-chevaline-nouvelle-remise-en-situation-sur-une-base-aerienne-7900426462
This link below from 05/29/2024 is really worth a read, both for the impact on the life of LMC and for the gendarmes conclusion:-
“Unless new information comes to our attention, this line of thought is definitively closed”, concludes the report. The new scenarios developed by the investigators now retain the same hypothesis, the New Zealand cyclist made a mistake in his testimony, he met the motorcyclist much further from the car park, 1.3 km from the scene of the killing.
https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/enquete-rtl-tuerie-de-chevaline-comment-le-motard-a-ete-mis-hors-de-cause-7900389190
So do you think this could mean, that the “Authorities” have been finding a way, to get W.B.M. to change his story?
If that has been the case, to me, that indicates, “They” could not make all the timings, “Line Up”
What, they would not want to come out, would be that the public understood, there had been governmental involvement.
Re the RTL reports:
RTL may or may not be reputable, born out of Radio Luxembourg, now owned by a Belgian/Durch/German parent which is a Société Anonyme, providing for some obscurity for shell company owners.
Interesting Points for me:
* The lawyers mentioned are in two groups, representing SM’s sister plus niece and also representing Zaid, and his (victim) nieces. Implying that these clients are pressuring the French to resolve the crime and who was responsible. (Really? They are being paid privately to beat on the French authorities for over a decade?)
* One of these reports states that the Luger handle WAS red/brown, however it also claims that the gun specifics and manufacturing batches have been established via ballistics, rather than or in addition to, the ID from that type of handle.
IF that ballistics info is true, then my proposal that the handle fragments were dropped to muddy waters would be disproved and therefore, if so, this crime may have been on a lower professional level than a planned professional hit team because this weapon is not an efficient assassination device suitable for a planned multiple shooting.
There is however plenty of other evidence consistent with with a more organised hit with State sponsored support so not sure how that can be squared. Can you really ID batches of weapons from ballistics? via particular rifling characteristics? I don’t know enough about it.
“The lawyers mentioned are in two groups, representing SM’s sister plus niece ”
So, this niece, does this mean the niece of the sister of Sylvain.
Or does it mean the niece of Sylvain, meaning the daughter of the sister of Sylvain.
or is the meaning some other niece?
https://www.houseofnames.com/uk/menegaldo-family-crest
Perhaps, this niece is the daughter of menegaldo?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1722711/ex-army-sniper-suspected-of-french-alps-killings-had-seven-year-relationship-with-victims-sister/
AN ex-paratrooper suspected of killing a British family and a French cyclist in the Alps had a long-term affair with one victim’s sister.
It might be important for us to understand exactly who is this niece.
If this young woman, is in fact the daughter of Patrice Menegaldo, that would be interesting.
“Menegaldo had for seven years had an affair with Sylvain Mollier’s sister and knew Mollier’s partner, Claire Schutz”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annecy_shootings
The implication, could be, that this niece, is the niece of the sister of Sylvain.
That could mean, that this woman/girl, is the daughter of Sylvain Mollier.
There does seem to be a lot of secrets in this part of France.
Quote
The slightest match could open up new leads. “Obviously the DNA lead is the one that is essential if we hope to draw a thread that leads to the author or authors of this killing,” comments William Bourdon, the lawyer for the driver’s brother. “There has been an exceptional development in DNA research technologies.”
Yes, that is most certainly true.
I wonder how effective the first DNA sweep was?
I imagine it would have happened within a couple of days?
So the lawyer working for the al-Hilli family, has not ruled out that there could be more than one person involved?
William Bourdon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bourdon
A very high end French lawyer for the al-Hilli family.
So why would Zaid al-Hilli take on, one of the most senior, high profile lawyers in all of France?
michael norton
Perhaps he was retained when it looked like the french wanted to interview him in france and basically lock him up to make him sweat. I would retain the best lawyer I could afford in such circumstances.
Taken at face value
“Unless new information comes to our attention, this line of thought is definitively closed”, concludes the report. The new scenarios developed by the investigators now retain the same hypothesis, the New Zealand cyclist made a mistake in his testimony, he met the motorcyclist much further from the car park, 1.3 km from the scene of the killing.
https://www.rtl.fr/actu/justice-faits-divers/enquete-rtl-tuerie-de-chevaline-comment-le-motard-a-ete-mis-hors-de-cause-7900389190
Although I am unsettled by this ‘identification’ I shall take it at face value and see what the implications are…
The main take home is just how long a time LMC spent cruising around the combe after he was believed to have departed. On my reckoning it was a good half an hour. What was he doing and where did he go?
This represents a real challenge to vanilla ‘motorcycle theory’. The core timeline (and the motorcycle accounting) depends on LMC not exiting the combe and re-ascending thus possibly being, say the first mobylette seen by CA. If, however LMC hid somewhere and in effect ‘stayed up’ there is no problem.
We still have the sighting by ONF1 at le Martinet parking. Could that be LMC too? My long-standing view is that this sighting was in fact the TBR or just possibly the killer. But that view was formed when it was generally accepted that LMC had left the combe by say 15:10 so now I need to re-evaluate events.
Unsettling problems..
For one, the descriptions of the MC and rider seen by ONF2 at the second hairpin and the MC seen by WBM do not seem to match.
Secondly, the location now identified by les gendarmes is at least one kilometer further down the combe than the location identified by WMB. Now that is a long distance.
That will do for now.
For reference – the link below shows just how wrong you can get a timeline. ONF1 seems to have been written out of history and the timing of events compressed.
https://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers-justice/2023/11/15/tuerie-de-chevaline-tout-savoir-sur-la-mysterieuse-affaire-qui-arrive-en-serie-sur-canal
My interpretation of why, Zaid al Hilli took on lawyer William Bourdon,
depends, when he took him on.
If he took him on, only a few years ago, that could be because Zaid believed implications of the French State having been involved.
If he took him on at the start, you might be correct, that Zaid thought the French wanted to lock Zaid up and try to pin it on Zaid.
I suppose it is possible, that having some knowledge of the case and circumstances, that lawyer William Bourdon contacted Zaid al-Hill and offered his services?