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Do French coroners use private mortuary services for body removals from active crime scenes?
Private body removal services are used elsewhere.
Photo:
http://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers/2012/09/16/un-dernier-hommage-rendu-a-sylvain-mollier
Compare:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xAF-kBRmWEU
Take note of the camion et pelleteuse at the new pompes funèbres in Faverges.
http://www.pompes-funebres-pechsarl.fr/photos
I bet that rig can’t turn on a dime.
Regarding the role of French mayors in burials:
Le maire UMP de Reims, Arnaud Robinet, s’était dans un premier temps catégoriquement opposé à l’enterrement de Saïd Kouachi dans un cimetière de sa commune, invoquant un risque de trouble à l’ordre public. Il craignait “une sépulture qui serve de lieu de recueillement ou de pèlerinage pour des fanatiques, ou de défouloir à des haines multiples”. “J’ai refusé l’achat de concession mais l’État m’a rappelé à mes obligations selon la législation”, a déclaré l’élu, samedi.
Selon la loi, les proches d’un défunt doivent demander l’autorisation d’inhumation au maire de la commune du cimetière choisi : théoriquement, les édiles ne peuvent la refuser là où il habitait, là où il est mort ou encore là où se trouve un caveau familial. Dans les autres cas, les maires peuvent s’opposer à l’inhumation.
http://www.france24.com/fr/20150117-said-kouachi-enterrement-tombe-reims-charlie-hebdo-sepulture-france-musulman-islam
It is advantageous for funeral home owners to have businesses in more than one town for this reason alone.
Do the police in France own pelleteuses, or would they have to contract out for digging up gardens, etc.?
Who would want to eat in a restaurant attached to a funeral home? Sweeney Todd, maybe.
You buy a plot for a certain number of years, renewable, if not they take your tomb away and sell it to someone else ! It is normally about 25 years.
I suppose they use contractors for any digging, not seen one with Gendarmerie written on the side. Pech says they do exhumations.
Your comparison, dual purpose wagons, collection of the body and used for funerals, the coffins are not on display.
Google images: Pompes Funebres Fourgon
Do you recall we were told Molliers body was temporarily buried when the family wanted a cremation, TP says it was a Memorial Service on the 17th September, the body had to undergo lengthy autopsy examination, it was several more weeks before his family could have his remains cremated.
Who came up with the temporary burial idea ? I can find this from The Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204165/French-Alps-massacre-Could-Sylvain-Mollier-main-target.html
http://www.verif.com/societe/PECH-JEAN-76812122/
Also at 2 Paul Girod, a short walk from Cezus/Timet.
Remembering that Sylvain Mollier’s uncle was an alpinist in Faverges, part of an alpine club.
http://www.leparisien.fr/insolite/france-un-alpiniste-trouve-un-tresor-sur-un-glacier-du-mont-blanc-26-09-2013-3171579.php#xtref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%24rct%3Dj%24q%3D%24esrc%3Ds%24source%3Dweb%24cd%3D10%24ved%3D0CGMQFjAJ%24url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.leparisien.fr%252Finsolite%252Ffrance-un-alpiniste-trouve-un-tresor-sur-un-glacier-du-mont-blanc-26-09-2013-3171579.php%24ei%3DZWKQVbjqEoTYoATVn4XwDQ%24usg%3DAFQjCNHTsSjSVtmOvVd9hz5xVpnXXtq8vg
http://caf-faverges.org/club/historique/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_245
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_101
Was it actually Sylvain Mollier who was disinterred?
I noted that a Pech family member of Ugine was cremated in 2010, so presumably this is among the services offered in-house by the Pech funeral homes. They may not do everything in one location, but still in-house. Urns are sold in their store, attached to a restaurant in Ugine.
The funeral vans all look the same. Which funeral home did Claire’s family use for the first and second arrangements? Two different companies could have been used. Help needed. Remembering that it was Claire’s family, the Schutz-Morange, who took charge of the funeral arrangements, and presumably re-arrangements and dis-arrangements. It was reported that Sylvain Mollier’s family was not made welcome, nor were they invited, with the exception of one.
Which body removal service or services did French officials use for the removal of the corpses at the Chevaline massacre?
@Q
This gives the age as 20-something
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/26/world/europe/france-mountain-jewels/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
“French authorities are trying to trace ownership of the jewels. If proof of ownership can’t be established, the unnamed 20-something mountaineer could stand to receive a portion of their value, Merly said.”
If he found them and they cannot be traced why can’t he keep the jewels its not really treasure trove, someone lost them and he found them if he only gets a portion of their value who gets the rest ?
It would be helpful to have input from old mountaineers who were around at the time of the crashes, wouldn’t it, Pink? Old mountaineers would recall the legends of the day, even if they’re not able to go on the quest themselves.
GPS data and satellite images would also be helpful, along with a metal detector. Police in France and the U.K. use metal detectors to dig up gardens in Claygate and Talloires. Would anyone be so silly as to bury treasure in their own garden?
Is Christian Mollier who discovered the wreckage of the Malabar Princess in 1976 related to Sylvain Mollier, or uncle Fernand Mollier of Faverges? Does Christian Mollier have children and grandchildren?
“In September 2013 a French alpinist found a metal box containing the Air India logo at the site of the plane crash on Mont Blanc containing rubies, sapphires, and emeralds worth more than $300,000, which he handed in to the police to be returned to the rightful owners. In her book Crash au mont Blanc, which tells the story of the two Air India crashes on Mont-Blanc (1950 and 1966), Françoise Rey writes about a box of emeralds sent to M. Issacharov, London, described by Lloyd’s.”
This wiki link posted above discusses the emeralds and Lloyd’s, but not the rest of the jewels. I’m not sure what is done if an insurance claim has been settled, or how anyone would determine which jewels these are.
Is it like finding treasure in international waters?
@Q
If you look down this thread there are 2 pictures of private ambulances used to move the victims and writing on the doors of them you may be able to make it out I can’t my eyesight is not brilliant.
http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?126352-France-Shooting-Bullet-Ridden-BMW-Removed
From your CNN link, Pink:
“Adding a bit of intrigue to the story, the 1966 crash is the subject of scattered conspiracy theories suggesting the Air India flight, which carried the father of India’s nuclear industry, Homi Bhabha, was shot down by a fighter jet or missile.”
Even then, conspiracy theories about fighter jets shooting down planes in the French Alps existed. All to do with nuclear knowledge, too! The irony is rich.
Second try with this post I don’t know if has got moderated .
@Q
If you look down this thread there are 2 pictures of private ambulances used to move the victims and writing on the doors of them you may be able to make it out I can’t my eyesight is not brilliant.
http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?126352-France-Shooting-Bullet-Ridden-BMW-Removed
I appear to be moderated
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Q The article you posted early said it was Pech
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16shi9_tuerie-de-chevaline-la-gendarmerie-francaise-diffuse-le-portrait-robot-du-mysterieux-motard_news
The funeral wagons are shown at the end of this clip.
Using TP as a reference, it does not appear Mollier was buried on the 17th September.
Maybe they then used the Crematorium in Annecy when his body was eventually released.
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@Q if this works look down pics information on doors of mercs.
[http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?126352-France-Shooting-Bullet-Ridden-BMW-Removed]
Oh. Well, Christian Mollier (familial links, Bluebird?) was discussed here long ago. He wrote a book about the ownership of Mont Blanc. It’s still a question:
http://www.amazon.fr/qui-appartient-Mont-Blanc-Paul-Guichonnet/dp/2842065654
http://www.quora.com/Which-country-does-the-White-Mountain-Mont-Blanc-belong-to-Italy-or-France
Ownership of the jewels might depend on ownership of the mountain.
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Hmmm that what I was sending pictures with name on side but its been held in moderation all three I tried in fact only 1 link
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http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26436090
More answers, Pink. Rumor has it that the mountaineer was from Bourg Saint-Maurice. I doubt very much that he just happened to see a glint in the sun. More likely, he was looking for it.
A recent story from the Bourg:
http://www.ledauphine.com/savoie/2015/06/10/un-chien-retrouve-mort-enflamme-les-reseaux-sociaux
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I enlarged the photo as much as could, but still couldn’t make out the letters on the hearse vans. I couldn’t make out the lettering on the fence in the photo of the Sylvain Mollier hearse photo, either. It has been intentionally rendered unreadable.
Two vans in Pink’s links look like the Pech funeral vans. There are several funeral homes in Ugine and Albertville. More than one funeral home could have been used to remove the bodies simultaneously.
How reputable are the local removal services? Police and ambulance workers would know, as they talk about such things. Some funeral homes are better than others at removals.
How are the body bags sealed at the scene to prevent tampering prior to autopsy?
@ Q I know it was researched and found either here or on DI probably by BB I don’t know how to find it though .
Great find on the follow up on the jewels all sounds very dodgy .
Where did Sylvain Mollier normally go for a drink after work?
Were the Pech and Schutz families known to each other?
http://www.societe.com/societe/monsieur-jean-louis-pech-302960828.html
http://www.rugbyclubfaverges.com/club/partenaires-et-sponsors/
Who are these people?
Remembering Sylvain Mollier’s trips to local cafes with his baby, and his father’s rugby club connections.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html