The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Katie
Gary Aked says that he and SAH started out working together at TPC in the early 1990s
{http://www.parismatch.com/Actu-Match/Societe/Actu/Saad-Al-Hilli.-Un-pere-pas-si-tranquille-432993/}
{http://www.cdrex.com/total-process-containment-limited-3633866.html}
TPC is now called Bioquell.
According to the Daily Mail {http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199513/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Extraordinary-life-engineer-victim.html}: “Mr Al-Hilli came to Britain as a teenager and was educated at Pimlico comprehensive school in central London where he took O- and A-levels, specialising in maths, physics and technical drawing. He later took a degree in mechanical engineering and a computer qualification. His CV reveals that he was comfortable with using several software packages and had a string of jobs in the engineering field for the past 20 years. He became a British citizen in 2002.”
His mechanical engineering degree is from Kingston Uni.
@Kenneth
Methinks the Lady doth protest too much…
In case anyone missed it, here’s what Kenneth said to me yesterday at 3pm:
Definitely no anti-semitism there, then, Ken, eh?
š
Naturally, everyone is free to criticise Israel, or any other country, as much as they wish. That is free speech.
But in your case you clearly *are* an anti-semite.
I now know that you CANNOT be a Jew. You are simply not clever enough
@Ferret
12 Oct, 2012 – 12:49 pm
I have no connection at Elekta, or doesnĀ“t know anyone connected to Elekta.
I sent some links from a person who had posted some info re al-Hilli and Elekta, and also re Suhaila. There are no intentions to “mislead” as Felix suggest, from my side.
I donĀ“t think Suhaila is ex-wife of Saddam, and have doubts that Iqbal was born in Iran.
If we make a mix of the theories, that Saddam marry a sunniwoman, who gave birth in Iran of all places, to a daughter that later on marry a shiamuslim from Iraq, we have some serious trouble to make it fit.
@ Katie
I have answered your question as best I could in a comment that is still awaiting moderation ā why? ā with the timestamp 1:06 pm. So please do check back later.
@Kenneth
Your utterings quoted above is not worth a reply.
Exactly! Like I said, you cannot debate my points because your thesis is simply untenable: it is illogical, and has no basis in reality. The world was at war long before Israel showed up on scene, and everyone knows it. You don’t like this uncomfortable fact, so you resort to epithets and personal attacks. Very poor show in my book.
@Thomas
Sorry, crossed wires! I meant Tom *Symonds* at the BBC – Katie was asking for info about the missing years for SAH, employment-wise. I was hoping he could call Elekta, or those two people who posted on Facebook and see what they know.
Felix.
“It is not clear how much of her father’s money Raghad escaped with, although if the stories about his ex-wives fleeing with millions in cash and gold bars are to be believed, she is unlikely to have been neglected.
Given her father’s notoriety, one might expect Raghad to lead an anonymous, if not a humble, life in exile, especially as her mother Sajida and Saddam’s three other wives all but disappeared without trace following the fall of Baghdad and are said to live under assumed names”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-425582/Dictators-daughter-told-father-hang-enjoyed-beauty-salon.html#ixzz295OxeqPG
@Ferret
12 Oct, 2012 – 12:45 pm
re: Kenneth
I hope we’re not getting into the anti-Zionist = anti-semitic debate here. I haven’t read everything he’s written, hell life’s too short for that, but this thread is about the al Hilli Mollier murders, so let’s stay on topic eh!?
And the same to you Kenneth.
Language like that isn’t going to help.
@Ferret
12 Oct, 2012 – 1:14 pm
Ok, my mistake.
Al-Hilli seems to have worked at Elekta 2012, when he started is not clear.
What would be very interesting is the CV of Iqbal.
Why didnĀ“t she take her exam as UK dentist until now? She was working in Dubai/ UAE when she meet al-Hilli almost 10 years ago. What have she been doing for living during all these years?
In Israels bombing of the Iraq Nuclear facility in 1981 the only civilian killed was a french man called Damien Chaussepied, it is said that Chaussepied was a Mossad agent and placed homing beacons and lights on the facility before the start of Operation Opera!
Why are the French always involved do Mossad or DGSE plant people in the Nuclear industry to sting dark forces?
@Thomas having kids maybe? also she had already passed the xams in UAE but she needed to sit the UK equivalent to be able to practice here!
OK, Peter thanks.
Ricki. the Osirak-plant was supplied by France.It was the first time[I was going to say “in modern history”, but since the Wright brothers first flew about 100 years ago, it is safe to say “in the history of mankind”.] that a country’s military just flies in and destroys another’s [civilian] infrastructure, without a warning or ultimatum let alone declaration of war had been issued.
It was brand new and thus not in use. In contrast Iran’s nuclear installation are running at full steam (literally!). So a huge plume will arise and pollute a large area, and it will thus be the greatest nuclear disaster since Tjernobyl, if they are attacked. But of course this is not going to happen! It is all bluster. To remove the focus of the deplorable situation of the Palestinians, and to give credibility to the sanctions regime as the least ‘dangerous’ route.
@M69
I hope weāre not getting into the anti-Zionist = anti-semitic debate here.
Certainly not.
As I wrote at 1.07pm: “Naturally, everyone is free to criticise Israel, or any other country, as much as they wish. That is free speech.”
(But in Kenneth’s case, he really *is* an anti-semite, as evidenced by his calling me a “F***ing J**” yesterday.)
I havenāt read everything heās written, hell lifeās too short for that, but this thread is about the al Hilli Mollier murders, so letās stay on topic eh!?
Agreed!
š
I’m all for discussing the subject at hand, so as long as Ken leaves off his anti-semitic garbage, I’m all for getting back on track. If he has anything to say against Israel that is *on topic* then fair enough, but usually his ranting is entirely extempore and utterly irrelevant.
:rolleyes:
@Ricki Tarr
12 Oct, 2012 – 1:30 pm
ItĀ“s been said that she studied in Sweden and also in Bagdad. Then worked in Dubai/UAE.
Most likely she then had started in Sweden, and continued in Iraq for some reason. If she had a swedish exam, it should normally be valid direct to work in UK, as far I know.
She could have been home with the kids, but the income for the family was not enough if they where living on the small amount that al-Hilli invoiced for his contract work. Alternative al-Hilli sent the invoices as well from another country.
‘Given her fatherās notoriety, one might expect Raghad to lead an anonymous, if not a humble, life in exile, especially as her mother Sajida and Saddamās three other wives all but disappeared without trace following the fall of Baghdad and are said to live under assumed namesā ‘
What name might a ex-and-also-late dictator’s daughter (with gold bars intact) choose, d’you think? Sadie McVicar? Senga Farquharson? Melanie-don’t-call-me-Ms-Hussein Desmoulins? Good for late-night pub quizzes, eh? š
@Katie
Strange coincidence at {@tomsymonds} Sept 6
Studio training at new Broadcasting House. Amazed everything seems to work. Move in Monday
Is that really NBH in the BM video?? I guess the wardrobe worked.
Simon Plumb ā@siplumb
{@chrishams @tomsymonds} + as a sound man, if its a big important EXCLUSIVE could we not of mic’d the interviewer as well as the interviewee?
tomsymonds ā@tomsymonds
{@siplumb @chrishams} hmm we did. Will check why that leg not going out. Thanks 5:38 AM – 13 Sep 12
Not that exclusive if Sky, ITN, France1 were given the tape immediately. Go figure.
2nd floor up at 55 is definitely occupied, lights on at the front but not the back, but nobody coming or going.
One of Jeremy’s friends is security consultant Robert Alexander Wood who seems to crop up a lot. Quite a few companies seem to be based at 23 Sussex Gardens which by chance is the home of Gabriel consulting.
Some really strange ones, why would Jeremy and Robert be directors of a company Crazy Salads Ltd that trades out of an office in Sussex Gardens? Only lasted 2 years so no accounts….
Where is that from Felix, Twitter ?
2nd floor up at 55 is definitely occupied, lights on at the front but not the back, but nobody coming or going.
Thanks Norfolkeagle. Anything visible inside, furniture, paintings etc? Or were you too low down to see anything through the windows?
I think some of the strange shareholdings etc can be explained by the “nominee shareholder” concept, but if so why are there so many companies with nominee shareholders at 55 Princes Gate? Normally, small companies are one-man-shows or perhaps have two or three investors, but usually the’re small and have nothing to hide, so don’t need nominees.
So either Jeremy Cannell has a lot of shares in a lot of strange companies, or they have a lot of nominee shareholders which is, in itself, strange, IMO. So either way…
All I can find is a TS talking about football.
Felix quoted a Twitter relay:
What’s NBH?
Google suggests: NBH, NemzetbiztonsƔgi Hivatal (National Security Office, Hungary; since 1989)
Felix, I noticed when BM was hiking he had your bag on his back. LoL !!
Ferret wrote:
I regret that. Because today I realise that you simply aren’t clever enough to be a Jew.
@Peter
hadn’t seen that TPC link.
Elsewhere, D. Mirror:
Gary, 52, became a close friend of Iraqi-born Saad after meeting him in 1993 when they worked for the same engineering firm. They even went on holiday together.
Here’s someone who would have known them both (att Tom Symonds…)
http://gurney-read.com/images/PGR_CV_Web.pdf
The last name says it became Bovis TanVec at
Tanshire House
Total Process Containment (part of Tanvec), Surrey, UK
Engineering manager then Operations director
Responsibilities: Direction of all projects and operational staff, including recruitment.
Steering level liaison with clients. Containment consultancy. (mid 90s)
Shackleford Road
ELSTEAD
GU8 6LB
which is not far from where GA lives.
@Kenneth
NBH – New Broadcasting House, London. Not to be confused with New Broadcasting House in Oxford Road Manchester, closed in late 2011, when the BBC moved to Salford Quays.
@Felix
Am assuming NBH is New Broadcasting House
GF
oops meant @kenneth, doh not keeping up at all today