The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Just six of them at the wedding in Weybridge too.
As we know, they’re a large family, but not where family weddings are concerned it seems…
@CD:
In some countries, the police are not allowed to release a victim photo to the media without the family’s permission. In the case of SM, there is direct next-of-kin to grant permission. There may not be anyone within the al-Hilli family who is close enough under their guidelines to grant permission.
It is so odd that there is not one single photograph of the women. Surely the girls attended a birthday party or a school function with their parents at some point, and another parent caught them in the background of a photo. No, nothing, from anyone, as others have already said.
In any case, the rules for releasing photographs seem to be different if a violent murder has occurred and police are searching for the murderers. That is what stands out. Are they not searching for the killers, or did a murder not occur?
The ranks have closed on all sides. It’s the wall of silence.
Dopey
Did the Al S’s know she was marry him ?
Yes but Q, they have released two pics of AH & even one of the girls, albeit pixelated.
We have also seen Zaid, though I had the impression it wasn’t such a recent pic of him. Nothing of Kadhem though.
British woman living in France murdered on 4th Sept.
Four different photos of her on the first page of a Google images search
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=patricia+wilson+france&hl=en&gbv=2&tbm=isch&prmd=ivnso&ei=Xc95UIL-A-Ws0QWysIHgAQ&start=0&sa=N
@Katie:
Furthermore, the justice system is refusing to release information under Freedom of Information requested by the media regarding when they identified Williams’ DNA at crime scenes and when they linked that DNA to him. They say it’s an invastion of his privacy. He committed sexual acts during dozens of B&Es before the murders, leaving DNA in what seemed abundant supply. News reports previously said police were only able to get “partial” and “incomplete” results.
Reading links here about SAS members not having to meet the same screening standards as regular military, and being outside the normal rules, was most interesting. It was interesting to read this week elsewhere that members of SAS-style units outside the UK could be holding admin jobs, etc. in the regular air force, but that no one would know they were actually working for the secret unit.
Licence to kill?
@Katie: I think it is what was discussed previously in this thread about the identities of the two adult women. Someone is not allowing the police to release the photos. This is not the decision of the local police, IMO. Things are out of their hands.
BTW, I was reading the monthly meeting minutes for that RAFA Benalmadena lot.
They sacked (he resigned officially but..) their local chairman/president earliet this year. The minutes said something on the lines of “we aren’t revealing the reason why he resigned..but.. it had something to do with the investigation as to who he really was..or wasn’t”
Sound slike the guy was a complete phoney and, contrary to his claims, hadn’t even been in the army at all 😀 ..he was claiming to be a general or something!
Anyway, off topic I know but I found it amusing so thought I’d mention it.
Dopey
Her hands been at the Vina Sol again…and his hand in the Euros draw !
James
eh?
The chairman.
@Dopey
Good work on Ms Wilson. I’m probably on my own here, but the failure to show photos reinforces my view that it’s an extraction. Photos will go all over the world, and residents of Claygate are less likely of a chance meeting of their neighbours wherever..
Whom is BM protecting btw?? The flurry of ambassadorial interest right at the very start implies some UK/US/Israeli/NATO state interest. A lot of theories can be discarded if this razor is used.
@Mochyn
it’s even got BM’s BBC wardrobe in the bedroom.
ROAFL!
BM’s story contains “fairy story”. Standard procedure. Why was the Hutton Inquiry not under oath?
@James
The caravan seems a standard rh door model, imported into the UK.
eg.{http://caravans.autotrader.co.uk/used-caravans/burstner/c-class-c480-tl/2004-burstner-c-class-c480-tl-fixed-single-beds-wellingborough-cfpa-8aba7dc639922fa90139a78669f80666/makemodel/make/burstner}
@Dopey
Maybe it’s not so off-topic as you think… didn’t people say that our Mr Martin didn’t seem like the pilot type?
@Felix
Is the online 2010 account of Silver Fern identical in all respects to the one which can be downloaded from Cos house?
Almost, but not quite entirely, identical. It’s clearly the same scan, but something has changed ever so slightly in the quality of the image, perhaps the contrast has been tweaked or something like that? But it’s definitely the same scan, so you don’t need to get that one from Companies House.
@Suhayl
Suhayl
The biggest clue “this won’t be solved in ten years” – you don’t get much more apathetic than that, or so early into a case.” Dopey, 13.10.12, 4:36pm.
Yes, I also immediately thought that comment was very odd.
Now, one needs to ask oneself, if this was a ‘legacy’ Iraqi or contemporary Iranian ‘hit’, or an organised crime hit, or a family feud hit, or a robbery-gone-wrong, or a local gun-nut, why would French and British police seem – or at least might be argued – to be engaging in a cover-up? If, on the other hand, it was a MOSSAD/French/UK hit, then a cover-up makes sense.
Very well said indeed.
@Q
Too late, we’re not taking the bait.
Amen. Metallurgist, Head of Production, Welder… what’s next?
The ranks have closed on all sides. It’s the wall of silence.
Quite. And an sea of ever-shifting official “evidence”…
Here’s the RAFA Benalmadena minutes lol (March 2012)
Announcement
Before the meeting proper started, Jack had to announce that CHQ had advised that our President, Bill Dixon, had resigned from both our Branch Presidency and RAFA, and had renounced his RAFA Life membership. The reason for Bill’s actions will probably not be published except to say that it is linked to HQ questioning his official RAF Status as a retired Commissioned RAF Officer, and his claims to Military decorations.
The following actions were agreed by the committee:
1. Derek Brown shall move up from Branch Vice President to Branch President and serve until the AGM 2013, unless there is an Extra-ordinary General meeting before then.
2. All reference to Bill Dixon shall be removed from our Web Site and membership lists.
3. A letter will be sent to Bill thanking him for his work in the past.
4. The Committee expressed concern that Membership Application personal Service History claims seem not to be thoroughly checked by HQ in every case. This needs to be addressed urgently by HQ. The Branch cannot be held responsible for such checks.
5. Jack to inform HQ that the Branch cannot accept any responsible for the situation concerning Bill Dixon. He was a long term Branch member, Committee member, and served the Branch with some distinction
Felix.
Yep, thats an “import” so they must be pretty easy to come by un the U.K.
ddly I was thinking “two caravans” ! But looks like just the one.
Q.
I think most of us do believe the intelligence services knew from the very start who these women were, they bluffed & fluffed making many excuses about not being sure who the older woman was.
I’m pretty sure had that been the case the sister in Reading would have told them within minutes of knowing it was AH who owned the car, that it was her mother & she had been collected from there by Saad to go to France.
They also said there were two passports for her, but now I believe little of what we were told.
@Dopey13 Oct, 2012 – 8:56 pm
It is significant that the pics of the two women not are seen anywhere. And there is very little info. It might indicate that there really is a D-notice.
That Suhaila brought two passports is also interesting. The passport from Iraq with age 77 could be the one she used when travelling for example to Middle East. She is then probably not known as “74-year Suhaila” in those countries. If the picture is published, people who meet her under her second identity would know that she was killed. This could be of some importance.
Her apartment was searched by the Swedish Intelligence Service, and not by the regular police ( in fact they did not even know that the apartment of Suhaila was checked ). This means normally that they had recieved info from the French police that there was some kind of illegal activity connected to national security linked to the crime, or to Suhaila. Alternative the Swedish Intelligence Service already know something re Suhaila.
Why was Suhaila ( and the others ) dressed up? With bags in the backseat? And Suhaila with two passport? Maybe Suhaila was on the way to leave from an airport after the meeting at the parkingplace, and bring something that Mollier delivered.
It is also mentioned in the tread that Sweden is an important base for Hizbollah. This is correct, they can operate in Sweden quiet undisturbed. Right now there are for example two suspected Swedish-Lebanese Hizbollah-members arrested for terroristrelated crimes in Bangkok and Cyprus. These are hard to connect to this crime, it´s just an example of Hizbollah in Sweden.
I have no idea if Iqbal or Suhaila where connected to Hizbollah, but would not exclude that alternative.
It might also been Iqbal who radicalized the husband. It seems as he was more of a party-oriented person before he meet Iqbal- but after getting married he spent more time on debating/hating Israel etc on the net.
We can speculate and guess, but I don´t think the police have the same problem. I think they know the motives and the offenders – but thy will not try to get them. Insted they concentrate to check what people al-Hilli and the two women have meet during the years, and what travelling they been doing.
Came across this unanaswered query re WBM on a pilots network (PPRUNE) – Wasn’t Brett in the GFC a while back? Anyone any idea what GFC might be… probably in the UK?
James, AH sold the old one & bought another [second hand ] caravan last year, so you are looking at two different caravans I suspect.
@Katie
Here’s another top Iraqi who “vanished” into the ether…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Hamudi_Hasan_al-Sadi
{http://judithmilleranddrdavidkellyandwmd.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=Amir+al-Saadi}
@ thomas
So Suhaila – 74, or 77?
and
Ikbal..or Iqbal – 47, or 49?
(I wish I could find that forum again where a poster ..who posted at the start of all this..was adament she was 49)
@ CD
There’s a GFC Brighton – it’s a gay football team haha.
There is only TWO things I can think of re “a link”.
1. Enrichment (Saad work at Elecktra, links to Mollier’s work).
or
2. The Al Saffar’s.
The second as I can not “see” anyother links.
The first as that seems to conatain a link…and is relevant to todays current “climate”.
My two shekels worth !
Yes Felix, released at the same time as the two women, anyone who thinks this highly intelligent people are not plotting revenge is naive.
It’s these sort of people who will be behind some ‘mysterious murders’.
CD, google GFC UK….you will be surprised, the first which comes up is an anti nuclear thing.
Green Fibre Communications !
@Dopey: Bad Bill.
@Dopey
13 Oct, 2012 – 10:30 pm
Suhaila with age 74 or 77 during the first week in media,and with two passports. One was Swedish with 74, the other most likely Iraqi with age 77.
And it took approx 5 days before her identity was confirmed by the Swedish authorities, which is a long time.
The different age of Iqbal I don´t know about.
GFC – Global Freight Connections?
http://www.gfc-group.co.uk/airfreight.php
@Ferret
In that case the online SF(S) account is unique. One must ask who put this on the web in Mid September, and why this one and for what purpose.
@James, Katie et al
Google street unfortunately shows the caravan with cover on. An early morning Satellite photo shows it uncovered, and two cars in the drive, the burgundy coloured BMW at the door, and a ?greenish? vehicle at the front.
What happened to this vehicle? Was it the dentist’s? Did the police find it?
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=oaken+lane++kt10&hl=en&ll=51.362246,-0.341625&spn=0.000465,0.000862&client=firefox-a&hq=oaken+lane++kt10&t=h&z=20