The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
We have a missing person to look for………
I will give you a clue
– When Aldermaston was mentioned he said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THmYVM9ZJj0
Now that we know Gary Aked has worked there for 4 years he is nowhere to be found.
WHERE IS GARY BRO(O)KER???
@Peter
“The trouble is, if my reading of the crime scene is correct and the killer fired the first shot from the front-left of the BMW, that lower-down place is where the killer left his own vehicle before he approached the AHs on foot. In other words, the police were probably parking on crucial evidence.”
I cannot judge whether that is true I am not capable of working out the detail just using what I have been reading I tend towards the BMW being front in by the map and reversing to final place but that does leave unanswered questions,you may well be right in what you say .
Following the herd:
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2122267_photos_of_alhilli_family_give_clues_to_murders
Is it British Police or the government that are the newspaper editors of today. When will newspaper editors are given the reigns back, if ever?
Are we in China? Russia?
Democracy my foot.
Perhaps somehow related, too (France, Iran, Lebanon):
http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792247/miniFlame_aka_SPE_Elvis_and_his_friends
Kaspersky today:
We were able to trace the IPs in the United States to VPN connections. Similarly, the IP in Lithuania belongs to an ISP which provides satellite internet(!!!!) in Lebanon (!!!!).
The IPs in France are the most curious ones – some do appear to be proxies or VPNs, but others are not.
For instance, one of the IPs of victims in France belongs to Francois Rabelais University of Tours.
Other IPs in France belong to mobile internet users or free internet users.
Overall, it seems that the main two locations of victims(!!!) are Lebanon and Iran.
@Peter
Thanks for the links. A question, though – why do you say that Pietro Malandrucco worked for Syslab Consulting Srl? A link would be useful.
@Strawberry
Glad someone else is paying attention!!!
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Mind you, to be totally accurate, Dave B never said that Gary Aked didn’t work for Aldermaston, what he said was that *SAH* never worked at Aldermaston. But the net draws closer…
Reminds me, Peter claimed repeatedly that Gary Aked works at Atkins, not ATK, without providing a shred of evidence in support of his claim, and in the face of Gary Aked’s LinkedIn showing him as Senior Engineer at ATK. (And then insisted that *we* had to phone to corroborate! Go figure.)
So Peter, do you still think the man who reportedly worked for 4 years at Aldermaston would be likely to work for Atkins PLC (an engineering and design consultancy), or for ATK (an aerospace, defense, and security company)?
@ Ferret
I don’t insist that *you* phone anybody to corroborate. I have come to realize that expecting you to test your assumptions using any means other than Google is expecting too much.
Personally, I have no such qualms – but to expect me to share the fruit of those RL-researches is also expecting too much. No, I am perfectly happy to observe you and others pursuing false leads.
Ferret
I would point out that Atkins have worked for AWE at Aldermaston and Sellafield for 20 years, they also have an office at Aldermaston.
ATK, on the other hand, do not seem to have any manufacturing facilities in the UK. Just saying…
@Peter
Why don’t you just say you called someone, if that’s what you did? If that’s what you did then it’s an unverifiable claim at this stage, and I think we would be wise to treat it with a large pinch of salt, especially given its provenance. You have made unverifiable and quite simply false claims before, so we would be well to beware of what you say.
And I notice you didn’t actually answer the question?
Do you still think the man who reportedly worked for 4 years at Aldermaston would be likely to work for Atkins PLC (an engineering and design consultancy), or for ATK (an aerospace, defense, and security company)?
Yawn. I won’t hold my breath.
PS. Peter, did your phone contacts tell you about Pietro Malandrucco’s NATO friends?
PPS. Interesting coincidence that both WBM’s website and the website of the company where Peter says Pietro Malandrucco works (unverified) are both down…
Our witness: Pietro M.
Logistics at Elekta 1997 & 1998. Never worked for Elekta again. Does that fit with SAH times at Elekta? Doubt so, right?
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=7411946&pid=86450002&authType=name&authToken=3h4n&trk=pbmap
The contacts are intriguing.
Here one of his current flight tracks
{http://pilots-airmen.findthedata.org/l/894290/Malandrucco
I particularly like the Dytecna Ltd. contacts of our Pitro M.
http://www.dytecna.co.uk/
He seems to swim on the same track like our WBM. Air-related and then creating some undefined companies for undefined purpose (fake) and strange contacts to military and defence groups/companies.
I tell you what:
Those witnesses are made up by intelligence for telling us some fairy tale stories created by a poet who is working in the MI6 building, presented by SIS or by somenbody else connected to intelligence. Elite intelligence from UK or another country is presenting deliberately some false flags to the stupid general public by their payroll representatives.
Thanks Bluebird, very interesting…
Just a normal, run-of-the-mill IT Consultant? I don’t think so!!
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And thanks NorfolkEagle, that’s very interesting too… I didn’t know about Atkins and Aldermaston…
A quick google of their address there made me jump – there’s a spooky “coincidence” which I’ll post this evening…
Investigation of commercial and logistic connctions:
Dytecna Ltd (UK), Stratos Ltd (New Zealand), Emerson, SINUS Electronic GmbH (Germany), NCSA, Flann Microwave, Optical Cable Corporation, BAE systems, Elekta, NCISS (NATO Communications and Information Systems School in Latina/Italy) and military organisations are somehow cery close connected with each other as businesses.
Our friend Pietro currently works for NCISS (NATO Communications and Information Systems School in Latina), doesn’t he? He is expert in giving detailed (dis)information, isn’t he? Hey, those witnesses are intelligence made up actors, aren’t they? Are they any good actors, good enough for OSCAR(s)?
My conclusion: Pietro is just another WBM, just from the Italian side while Didierjean is the Rapporteur from the French side.
ferrte
run of the mill? LOL LOL LOL
NCISS = (NATO Communications and Information Systems School in Latina)
ferret
I hope I did present sufficient information regarding Pietro and so I could stop my invstigations regarding this intelligence person. Your request was welcomed and I believe that wI’ve presented and so we’ve got the necessary answer as expected regarding NATO-intelligence-Pietro, didn’t we?
Bluebird, you are singing beautifully today!
Hey, those witnesses are intelligence made up actors, aren’t they?
Reminds me of the “witness” to the shooting of Jean-Charles de Menezes, the one who claimed to have seen JC de M wearing “something that looked like a bomb belt”… He was the ONLY ONE who “saw” anything like this, and he turned out to have the same name as someone in the Metropolitan Police, a forensics expert… something the Met have never confirmed or denied…
And an interesting “coincidence” again: Stratos Ltd (New Zealand)… WBM (New Zealand)…???
Is there a source of company info for NZ like Duedil? Who’s in this Stratos(phere)? Maybe people we might recognise from UK companies?
I hope I did present sufficient information regarding Pietro and so I could stop my invstigations regarding this intelligence person. Your request was welcomed and I believe that wI’ve presented and so we’ve got the necessary answer as expected regarding NATO-intelligence-Pietro, didn’t we?
Oh yes, sorry – you’ve more than done your job… MUCH more!!!
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stratos ltd has its own website, ferret. The website doesn’t look suspicios as much as the OSCAR srl website doesn’t look suspicious. You never know, however, what such companies are good for to cover up government related and intelligence realted matters.
The Dytecna LTD website is speaking for itself. The NCSII website (NATO Communications and Information Systems School in Latina) is speaking for itself and the German SINUS Electronic GmbH website is also speaking for itself. Just the OSCAR srl website and the Stratos Ltd website doesn’t fit into that picture of weapons, military and intelligence. Perhaps we have to have a second look at those websites.
ferret
re: Stratos
I made some investigation. Stratos Ltd, formerly Stratos NZ Holdings, is now owned by http://www.inmarsat.com/ (recently called immarsat)
Check their website and you’ll know why they belong to that group. Particularly the “aviation” and the “government” button are exciting. Stratos Ltd NZ = Inmarsat!
ferret:
About Stratos
Stratos (www.stratosglobal.com) is a publicly traded company (TSX:SGB) and leading international telecommunication services provider offering customers operating in remote locations
a variety of satellite and microwave wireless technologies (!!!)
to provide Internet Protocol, data and voice solutions through a range of newly emerging and established technologies such an Inmarsat®, Intelsat®, Iridium®, Globalstar®, VSAT, and others. Stratos serves an array of diverse markets including government, military, oil and gas, maritime, industrial, aeronautical, media and recreational users anywhere in the world.
2 The term ‘Stratos’ means Stratos Global Corporation and all of its wholly owned direct and indirect subsidiaries, which includes, without limitation, the following: Stratos Wireless Inc.; Stratos Mobile Networks, Inc.; Stratos Mobile Networks (USA), L.L.C.; Stratos Offshore Services Company; Stratos Communications, Inc.; Stratos Telecom, Inc.; Stratos VSAT, Inc.; Stratos Global (Japan) KK; Stratos Communications (Australia) Pty. Limited;
Stratos New Zealand Limited (!!´!!!!);
Stratos Global Limited; and, Stratos Aeronautical Limited.
http://www.stratosglobal.com/Products/Inmarsat.aspx
Holy Moly!!!
😀
Will have a ferret about in those websites when I get more time…
Excellent work, Bluebird, truly excellent work…
Goodness me Bluebird you’ve found so much, I’m beginning to think you run a private Investigation Bureau. 😉
Not correct
Kenneth Sorensen as far as I can see. Death car park is the one with sign at other end to parked BMW BEFORE or to the NORTH of the hairpin/junction to the east.
OK, ferret here is the answer to your questions regarding the ownership of Stratos.
I checked the names but I could not find any already known names that far. I will research XANTIC B.V. if I still find anything on the wayback machine. Xanthi is the husband’s name of Basham al Hilli. Perhaps just a strange coincidence.
Here is the SEC website. You must scroll down towards the end for the names of the management:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1178832/000095013307001460/w32567exv99w1.htm
Here is some more about that company. I wonder if we find a link to SAH in the end.
{http://www.stratosglobal.com/About%20Stratos/Company%20Information/Corporate%20Profile.aspx
{http://www.stratosglobal.com/About%20Stratos/Company%20Information/Corporate%20Profile.aspx
{http://www.stratosglobal.com/About%20Stratos/Company%20Information/Company%20Timeline.aspx
Stratosglobal is in Bethesda, MD, USA
Surprisingly, our Pietro M. has his second house in Bethesda, MD. Perhaps for his holidays.
The Lockheed Martin Corporation is in Bethesda, MD, too. However, I certainly don’t think that Brett Martin of Lockheed would be our Brett Martin. That of course is coincidence and we should not think of that.
Stratosglobal really is a great find, thanks to the searching for our witness Pietro M., suggested by ferret.
Tim You most wear your thick spectacles in order to get a proper view sitting across the Atlantic as you are.
It would be the same as imagining that americans could sit in Virginia and steer an UAV in, say, afghanistan. ODD thought isn’t it.
No you have to be here in Europe to truly get a grip on things.
And the geography of the place is as I have laid out here.
Philippe Didierjean’s interview with Le Parisien , published 07.16hrs, September 11, by Jean-Marc Ducos, is here:
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/les-confidences-d-un-temoin-du-drame-de-chevaline-11-09-2012-2159640.php
He appears only as Philippe D.
ils ont vu surgir peu avant 16 heures un cycliste affolé, premier témoin de la tuerie qui a coûté la vie à Saad al-Hilli
So, shortly before 4pm. they meet.
The Guarian article later the same morning, 12.00 BST
{http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/french-alps-shooting-cyclist-girl}
seems to reflect the former piece, but now Philippe D becomes Philippe Didierjean. The Guardian piece doesn’t mention the time of the meeting.
And finally….. is it correct that this web site has been closed down by its European (Dutch)provider. I saw a notice somewhere that it stops on the 19th Oct. which rather supports it. If so it suggests the spooks are getting spookier.
Well not quite FINALLY … I notice that the Daily Mirror is still perpetuating (yesterday) the misinformation that WBM made the initial call at 3.48 despite his own denial and the story from PD. Why will they not question this OBVIOUS contradiction and find out from the French who did?
@Peter
what is M6? (mobile phone records of SAH telling Claygate school the children would be late back, Le Parisien article of 14 Oct0, quoted a few days ago?
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-la-famille-al-hilli-ne-se-sentait-pas-menacee-14-10-2012-2231717.php
The school never mentioned this at the time to the UK press.
It is also compatible with extraction…
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Ferret –
I will put them on Icke when I get some time. Yes, the other matter is very strange. Also another “little” thing. A bit busy, like you , just now.
@Intp1: It’s the uses of calcium (gypsum) as part of the process to create other materials that could be relevant here, especially those that apply to the nuclear industry and missiles. Iraq’s gypsum is known to be of high quality, which is desired for those applications.
@Mochyn69: I had read the same thing about gypsum being used for bricks.
@Tim V: That makes the posts on the same day relevant, even if the posts were later removed.
@Suhayl: I’m still wondering if Saad al-Hilli had anything to do with the intel about WMD. If his family’s gypsum factory was in the vicinity of that brickworks…
@Katie: I saw one report that photos were taken on a digital camera. That could be in addition to a phone. It could be another misreport, too.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/saad-al-hilli-alps-murders-french-1379244