Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Thomas has just had a post at 9.44 given free from premoderation, which might interest you. Generally it is a pity when interesting posts in this way is being held up. One way to go around it is to put links in {} brackets.

  • Ferret

    Thanks Dopey, very interesting indeed!

    Now where have we heard of “Executive Outcomes” before? Definitely rings a bell… did I see it when I was digging in the maze of “55” companies?

    http://newsconfidential.com/FS/FS_Story.php?RequestID=32925

    Interestingly there’s another address with a “22” – 22 South Audley Street, London… remember I said I’d seen a number of 11’s, 22’s, and of course there’s our famous 55?

    Not much time to dig on this today but look forward to hearing what you or anyone else manages to dig up!

    😀

  • straw44berry

    55 Princes Gate, Exhibition Road

    is searching this just a waste of time?

    I am assuming that all CIA operatives in Langley, USA dont have CIA as their employer on their annual returns but are paid using a company fronting as legitimate probably under aliases.
    55 is the UK equivalent I am assuming and all company names shown there do the same with employees listed under these companies probably no more than taken names for their jobs.

    I have no personal knowledge but feel that the address is effectively a dead end. I posted this address as Silver Fern’s registered address on thread 1 and thought someone would tell me this.

  • NR

    @ Felix 16 Oct, 2012 – 4:10 pm @Peter
    “what is M6? (mobile phone records of SAH telling Claygate school the children would be late back, Le Parisien article of 14 Oct0, quoted a few days ago?
    http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-la-famille-al-hilli-ne-se-sentait-pas-menacee-14-10-2012-2231717.php
    The school never mentioned this at the time to the UK press.
    It is also compatible with extraction…”

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3568415.ece

    “The primary school where his daughters, Zainab, 7, and Zeena, 5, had been due to start classes two days before the attack left a message on the phone and Mr al-Hilli made a call to arrange to move to a different campsite two days after arriving in the Alps.”

    It sounds as if the school was calling SAH, which means he didn’t tell them the girls wouldn’t be in school. Also compatible with extraction or the family on their intending to relocate elsewhere. Dangerous psycho relative safely housed in UK hospital and Ma + Pa + Grandma + girls gone to ?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    The guy with the nickname: “Inga vidare” [ ~nothing particular] seems very well informed – but he says he has all his information from Surrey Security Service

    This one is the most interesting:
    {https://www.flashback.org/sp39311655}

    It contains the pressrelease from Elekta (in English) concerning the order from China’s Army:
    {http://www.elekta.com/pressreleases/693297/elekta-wins-usd-35-million-tender-in-china.html#}

  • Thomas

    @Ferret
    17 Oct, 2012 – 11:36 am

    The last post was Sept 13, ending with:
    ” Hope I get some more info about Al-Hills work with Elekta”

    Unfortunately there was no more posts, for some reason…

    It´s interesting to read how the speculations where going early, from a source with connection to people at Elekta. The advise was to look more to the East ( China ? ).

    Anyway, I would consider that the poster did not give any attention to Mollier, thinking he was just att the schene by bad luck. At the time the posts where made, there was not so much known re Mollier.
    Maybe the conclusions had been different, if the poster ( and the Elekta-people) had the knowledge of Molliers work as we have today?

    The poster has worked with laser. Is the first one to connect al-Hilli with Elekta, and also link to an article where Suhaila is working 1990 as a nurse at a caretaking institute connected to Sweden. The later is unconfirmed, but seems possible, especially as Suhaila had a disabled son which fits with the category of children that they took care of.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    The second most interesting is bound to be the last:
    {https://www.flashback.org/sp39313787}

    where another forum member makes the assertion that China would have no interest in shooting Al-Hilli, and “Inga vidare” agrees.
    So the focus continues to be on those who will deny China (or Iran) such technology. And since the CIA simply nevber could bear the backlash such a shooting in the heart of Europe would create, the focus is once again at therogue state at the shores of the Mediterranean , maybe by employing rough types from Paris’ underworld or some Serbs* wanted for war crimes (and for which the prospect of any potential further imprisonment is not an issue).

    *)used to mountain terrain like their own back pocket. Could disappear quickly on bikes to a nearby road and the bike into a van and driving over the Pass to the east

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    The second most interesting is bound to be the last:
    {https://www.flashback.org/sp39313787}

    where another forum member makes the assertion that China would have no interest in shooting Al-Hilli, and “Inga vidare” agrees.
    So the focus continues to be on those who will deny China (or Iran) such technology. And since the CIA simply nevber could bear the backlash such a shooting in the heart of Europe would create, the focus is once again at the rogue state at the shores of the Mediterranean , maybe by employing rough types from Paris’ underworld or some Serbs* wanted for war crimes (and for which the prospect of any potential further imprisonment is not an issue).

    *)used to mountain terrain like their own back pocket. Could disappear quickly on bikes to a nearby road and the bike into a van and driving over the Pass to the east

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Or maybe they are so cunning as to lie in wait in the vast forest, but that would really take some dodgy cunningness, but…this is how Serbs are – the most formidable guerilla fighters that the world have ever seen. They were the only ones in the whole of mainland Europe that Hitler never managed to suppress.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    What to we (or rather you) know about ‘Surrey Security Service’, from where “Inga vidare” has his knowledge (according to himself). Could this be some disinformation stuff?

  • Katie

    Kenneth I agree with you about the rough underworld types employed. I’m not sure about the serbs, but I do feel it was a contract killing rather professional assassins.

  • Katie

    Thomas Suhalia was with a Swedish charity working in Palestine…… I don’t think we know how long for.

  • Thomas

    @Kenneth Sorensen, 17 Oct, 2012 – 12:16 pm

    The answer ” Surrey Security Service ” is an answer to the question from another member where the info is coming from, when the poster states:

    “Al-Hilli had requested not to have bodyguards while on holiday in France. He had lived with the protection of himself and his family for a time in England and thought it was hard.”

    It could be correct info, or “disinformation stuff”, I really don´t know, but more belive it´s on the correct side.
    The poster seems not to be from “the inner circle” of Elekta, but have without doubt some info. The avatar indicates that it could be a person interested in islam. It was also the first one who informed of the adress to Suhaila in Sweden ( which was not so hard to do without knowing her, but anyway worth to observe).

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