The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
What that avatar indicates is that he sees Islam as an “ideology”.
This is what is written in his avatar. And this is very revealing, because as you know Islam is the worlds second biggest religion, and the vast majority of its adherents lives good and well with it and in peace, and has a great comfort from it.
But if this guy sees it as an “ideology” that immediately places him in the wild anti-muslim camp – you know the ones that we have all encountered on different forums, who are rash to compare it with Nazism (Idiots!)
@Katie
17 Oct, 2012 – 12:29 pm
Only that Suhaila 1990 was working outside Jerusalem, attended PLO-meeting ( pro-Saddam ), could translate from arabic to English.
If the info is correct.
If she had that background, it´s even more strange that the press in Sweden don´t give any attention to her, as it have some “sobbing-potential”.
For how long she should have worked, is not known.
Or rather – the preferred axiom they use is “Islamofascism” [About as stupid in its complete detachment from history] or something of the kind. I guess you have all heard it in some form or another.
Kenneth, a muslim who posts on my regular forum uses that word , Islamofascism [ its no dafter than the word Islamophobia ] regularly against his government.
That posters avatar is Islam-0logi = Ology he is a muslim almost certainly, but I don’t see that makes him a fanatic..
Katie, I’m sure you read this wrong. If he was a Muslim DOH! he would not use the world “ideology” in connection with his…religion DOH!!.
No this Swedish guy wants to express something — already in his avatar — about how he sees Islam. and that is very useful — it is essential a consumers guide — because it means that you could just pass him in a semi-circle, i.e. ignore him, and go on with your daily life.
Quotes»
Saad had all his life on his laptops, and he stored documents on foreign servers which are all over the world
SOURCE: Anorak 2012-10-15 18:58:00
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Saad-al-Hilli/quotes/
OMG, how spooky. Brett Martin viewed my profile at 18h last night on Linkedin !
@Ferret
17 Oct, 2012 – 12:17 pm
I followed the tread almost “in-real time”, and then the posters comments seemed a little bit far out, too fanciful.
When more is known, the comments makes more sense.
That al-Hilli had bodyguard in UK I would not take for sure, it might as well been that he been under surveillance. It´s hard to say, as we don´t know how the poster got the information.
Also re the motifs that are suggested, I think there are several other alternatives.
What I would say seems to be the most plausible conclusions are:
1) al-Hilli worked for Elekta on a project connected with SSTL. Probably military related. A new kind of weapons systems?
2) al-Hilli was under surveillance/under protection in UK.
3) Suhaila was working as headnurse outside Jerusalem 1990.
4) There is ordered “cap on”.
5) al-Hilli was important for the project.
6) al-Hilli was anti-Israel
7) Elekta is high-end re medical laser, but might do classified work as well.
Personally, I think that al-Hilli first of all was a hard believing muslim ( read the Koran everyday, and the Koran was always laying open in his house ), and that´s where the motifs should be found for al-Hillis potential illegal activity. That is stronger than being “pro-UK”.
Kenneth, you are entitled to your view & I to mine…… without abuse.
I believe the OLOGY spelt OLOGI is purely used in the sense of any OLOGY as in Psychology. It does NOT say Ideology at all, there’s a difference.
Thomas wrote:
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RUBBISH!!! The Koran consists of some 700 pages, and why are one not allowed to read it daily? Why must it not “always lay open” (sic) in ones own house? And how is this connected in any way to any “potential illegal activity” (sic) ?
@ katie
“OMG, how spooky. Brett Martin viewed my profile at 18h last night on Linkedin !”
How would he know your personal details?
@Thomas
I followed the tread almost “in-real time”, and then the posters comments seemed a little bit far out, too fanciful.
… which adds weight to their credence in my book… if they’d been deliberately planted disinfo I would have expected them to fit right in to the official narrative, rather than contradict it and raise other questions… The only other possibility is that it was a “limited hangout” but that’s only used when there’s a problem they have to fix by releasing *something* (less than the whole truth) to get people to go away, which wasn’t the case, certainly not early on.
So… overall, I like your assessment, it sounds very reasonable to me.
😀
@Kenneth Sorensen
17 Oct, 2012 – 1:31 pm
I just think Allah was more important for al-Hilli, than David Cameron or Obama was – if he would have to choose.
As an Iraqi, he might have been a little bit disappointed when his hometown Baghdad was destroyed, regardless of his opinion re Saddam H.
In case al-Hilli was selling info which I think could be one reason for the killing, I think where his faith was, could be of importance when choosing where to sell. A shia- islamic state like Iran could fit.
Kathy.
I have been to look at Linkedin, a few times , I joined by simply name & for work I put ‘fine art’. Nothing more. I went there following something up this morning & saw a red flag at the top of the page, I clicked it & there it says he checked my profile, with his photo & all the details.
Brett Martin viewed your profile 18h
Consultant B787 SFI, B777 SFI, B737 SFI, CRMI(G)
Brighton, United Kingdom | Airlines/Aviation
I just think Allah was more important for al-Hilli, than David Cameron or Obama was – if he would have to choose.
Sure, just like:
“Gud er vigtagare end Fredrick Reinfeldt”.
[Alf Svensson]
Katie, Brett is a very charming man. He always reminded m of John Nettles from Cornwall. so i guess you should be charmed over all this interest.
BM page leads to many including AH but nothing of interest there.
This one is though Faris Al Hilli ? :
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Electa:
{http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=140928703&pid=188917475&authType=name&authToken=h8SL&goback=%2Ewvp_*1_*1_*1&trk=pbap}
John Nettles ? I wouldn’t cross the road to shake his hand.
I lived on the island when he was making Bergerac.
How do you know BM is charming ?
Its just a hunch that I have, – the same way that you would know if ….say…[yes who should I choose?]…CANNOT choose some. You would know.
I think I would have crossed that road to shake his hand.
John Nettles is very popular with the lasdies here in Denmark, and has just been interviewed on the main channel, so I guess I could also say how are you doing if we were to meet on an open road in the middle of nowhere.
Just to follow up the Olof Palme/Rausing/”The unspeakable/AE Services theory.
Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, the Iraqi ambassador in Sweden at the time of the Olof Palme assassination was from Al Hilla and he was a Shia! Sounds convenient?
Suhaila and her husband’s Saffar family lived in Sweden. Both are high ranked Iraqi families.
Let’s follow this conspiracy theory for a moment:
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Conspiracy theory number #587 begins:
In 2003, after the fall of Saddam and the heyday at all Iraqi embassies, Suhaila, whose family is close to the ambassy, is collecting the documents regarding the Palme assassination and is saving them from the embassy to the UK (Reading). Her daughter and Saad are hiding those documents later in their hut near Bordeaux.
In July 2012 Saad hears of the “accident cocaine death” of Swedish billionaire wife Eva Rausing in London and about all those rumours that she allegedly knew everything about the details about the Palme assassination and about the whereabouts of the gun and the documents.
Saad is getting nervous and MI6 is getting nervous as well as the mob agents paid by the “unspeakable” are immediately going on to cover up Suhaila and Saad – and they all know. The family wants to get rid of everything to save their lives, perhaps for a little extra tip money.
Saad contacts the “unspeakable” and offers him the documents and the gun for some money.
The “Unspeakable” agrees under the condition that the documents would be handed over by grandma.
Saad is going to Bordeaux to pick up the documents.
Saad is going to Annecy to pick up the cash paid by the “unspeakable”.
Saad is going to Geneve to deposit the given blackmailing cash onto his bank account.
Saad is going to a pre arranged spot in the woods to hand over the documents and the gun.
The recipient accepts the gun and the documents.
The recipient stores the gun and the documents in his car.
The recipient takes his own gun and pah-pah-pah eliminates the family as a dangerous witness.
The recipient is talking to himself: “Nobody ever blackmails my boss who is the billionaire with the unspeakable name and who is being called – since decades – “The Mr. 25%” in most international weaponry deals.”
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Why was Palme visiting Mr. Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf (a Shia from Al Hilla) in his embassy in the morning on the day of his assassination? Jan Bondeson suggests in his book that the Iraqis wanted their part of the deal through the Guildford based AE Services company. The financial roots of this company are ending anonymously in Switzerland and in Liechtenstein. Palme met the ambassador because he didn’t allow the bribery to Sussex to happen. The ambassador told him once again that the deal will not happen without the fee being paud to Mr. Unspeakable. Bondeson theorised that Palme’s murder might have been inadvertently triggered by his conversation with the ambassador since Palme could not get convinced by the ambassador to allow that bribery payment to Mr. Unspeakable to happen.
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Conspiracy theory ends.
@Kathy 17 Oct 1.36pm and @Katie
I think LinkedIn uses the default setting to ‘show your name and headline’ when you’ve viewed someone else’s profile. There are two other settings which are either completely anonymous or anonymous but with industry and title.
LinkedIn has recently changed its default settings on a number of fronts. Which is certainly something to be aware of.
Bluebird, what a load of bullocks. I have never read one word of it , and i think this is important for your kind to know: You can post all the bullocks you want, but you should not expect that any decent human being are actually reading it.
At some point you will be asking yourself why you are bothering yourself with all of this fruitless postings that nobody reads
P.
No he’s definitely been to my page.
I only joined a few hours before that & had not been to his page, the red flag showed next to the email envelope icon…..
There’s a message saying ‘only one person has viewed your profile in the last 90 days’, click on that & then it shows who that person was, all his details & photo.
Will come back to study your theory later BB.
Kenneth, how can you say its bollocks & then say strong>I didn’t read a word of it ?
katie,
simply because for kenneth it is everything bullocks that would not target Isreal as the BIG enemy or else perhaps sending all Jews to Auschwitz as an alternative. He doesn’t want to solve the riddle. He wants the the facts to be moderated in his way so that he will have his expected result in the end.
Brett Martin’s LinkedIn profile is too pat. Photo too small to be recognisable, breaks up when enlarged. (Same trick as Ray Harrington.) Explains everything perfectly, even down to his broken French… BUT where’s all the income going from all his consultancies? Surely they don’t pay him PAYE for consulting? If it’s all going through Silver Fern then he’s not doing much work… but he has like 4 or 5 consultancies. Something fishy here? Has anyone seen this profile from Day 1 and if so has anything changed?
What utter bulloks to mention auswitch in this context. I think this can only mean one thing: Bluebird is a honorary descendent of the distinguished Israelites, or alternatively: He is very symphathetic to them, i.e. he is fundamental Christian, just like the fundamental Christians in the United states, which constitutes a major part in the Israel lobby. But as the eminent professors John J. Mearsheimer from Chicago University and Stephen M. Walt from Harvard has pointed out, the agenda of these devout Christians is that the Jews should at some point convert to Christianity. It’s anybody’s guess what the Jews will say to this proposition.
@Bluebird
17 Oct, 2012 – 2:26 pm
Yes,that could work.
But where does SM fit into it?
I have mentioned several times on here SM’s reported connection to the Ugine branch of Solidarité et Progrès, the LaRouche party in France. The branch was founded to assemble an assorted bunch of communists, left wingers and environmentalists to contest local elections.
‘According to a biography produced by the LaRouche-affiliated Schiller Institute, the movement is based on a commitment to “a just new world economic order,” specifically “the urgency of affording what have been sometimes termed ‘Third World nations,’ their full rights to perfect national sovereignty, and to access to the improvement of their educational systems and economies through employment of the most advanced science and technology.”‘
This is a bit odd given the view of some critics:
‘Though often dismissed as a bizarre political cult, the LaRouche organization and its various front groups are a fascist movement whose pronouncements echo elements of Nazi ideology. Beginning in the 1970s, the LaRouchites combined populist antielitism with attacks on leftists, environmentalists, feminists, gay men and lesbians, and organized labor. They advocated a dictatorship in which a ‘humanist’ elite would rule on behalf of industrial capitalists. They developed an idiosyncratic, coded variation on the Illuminati Freemason and Jewish banker conspiracy theories. Their views, though exotic, were internally consistent and rooted in right-wing populist traditions.’
There is also this:
‘The LaRouche movement is reported to have had close ties to the Ba’ath Party of Iraq. In 1997, the LaRouche movement, and the Schiller Institute in particular, were reported to have campaigned aggressively in support of the National Islamic Front government in Sudan.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement
The LaRouche party in Sweden is the Europeiska arbetarpartiet or European Workers Party. It is often insinuated the EWP was set up by the CIA to label Vietnam war defectors as left wingers. After the Olof Palme assassination in 1986, the group was for a time suspected by the police of being connected to the murder, although this theory was soon dropped.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Worker%27s_Party
The leader of the EWP in Sweden since 2007 is a gentleman by the name of Hussein Askary,who writes on Middle Eastern matters for the LaRouche weekly magazine Executive Intelligence Review.
Curious resonances with this case, I think, but I’m not sure where it takes us. Anyone?
@Katie @Bluebird
Well said.
Bluebird, interesting theory. I think it’s good that people come up with what can seem like wild speculations… it’s useful to think outside the box sometimes.
And as long as people are clear that what they are posting is speculation, as you have, there’s no harm in it whatsover. People who don’t like it can just ignore it, and maybe it will spark something in someone else.