The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Dopey
Yeah, my thoughts too exactly.
@ James
I don’t have a theory. Every single theory that I have had so far (and I have had some), has subsequently been OBE’d – Overtaken By Events.
Kathy..
Come up with something ? What do you think ? You’ve read enough now.
What’s your “say”..and what is it based on ?
Go for it.
Peter…
You cat just think it. Put it out there. Allow it to be “shot at” and then people can develp it.
I have mine. I based it on what I have read..and seen.
It got shot at. But then when I explained it….some here said “yeh, I get it”.
You have to do the sme. You cant just “sit there”.
What do you say ?
Or rather …what do YOU say ?
@ James
With so few real hard facts available, it’s pretty impossible to come up with a theory.
Mine is….
Saad is working in the UAE.
He gets “recuited” (everyone does).
Years later, he’s needed again…one of his contacts “X” from DXB.
He’s there in the carpark to meet Mollier (also recruited) and “X”.
The shit hits the fan as “X” et al has been “outed” and arrived with “friends”.
The message gets sent back !
The US is pissed…it unlists the MKO.. (and supplies, we don’t know yet)
Katy… Rubbish !
I give up ! No Hard Data ! Is not the world happening around you ?
So I ake it you are saying, this is a lone killing !!!
Like the 11th of September !
Kathy…
Think “Butterflies wings”.
Having followed the Madeleine McCann case for five+ years, I never thought another crime conundrum would come along. But it all goes back to basics in the end.
Was this a planned holiday? Do you tow a caravan across france and hop around sites for what appears to have been only a short holiday, particularly when school term has started? although private schools are later
Where was everyone sitting in the car? There seems time to have preceived danger and successful hidden one child. Where was the seven year old, somehow I’ve got the impression that the younger child hid between her mothers legs & skirt and the grandmother also in the rear? So that places a seven year old in a righthand drive in the front- most peculiar if not illegal choice. The fact that the seven year old got out of the car, would I thought indicate a lone shooter, had there been two she wouldn’t have time to get out of the car, unless of course, she was already out of the car – for some reason (a wee)
Why I consider this aspect to be important is trying to determine whether Mr Al-Hilli knew he and his family were in danger – that is one step nearer the ‘WHO’ and why question.
But can respect the conspiracy considering the level of silence about the case now and of course the colourful background of Mr Al-Hilli.
Thinking completely outside the box…..
No pistols so the ballistic report will turn up SFA.
One Loon with a cordless drill and a load of slugs pre-separated from the cases.
Drills holes in all the victims and drops the slugs in by hand.
Throws the cases around the inside and outside of the car.
No reloads necessary.
By golly I think I´ve cracked it.
MAJOR BRREAKTHROUGH!!!!!!!
James
errrr…no, I am not saying that at all. I think it was probably Mossad due to his job and Iranian links.
Dubai, Dubai: why do so many people who end up in the news have connections there? Russell Williams, the Van Doos, Saad al-Hilli. Question is rhetorical.
Kathy…
Ok. Explain. You can not jst say that.
Going from the reverse. Tell me his job ?
Kathy…
Because he “knows” Iranians, Mossad ills him ?
Do you know anything about the Iranian politics ?
Tell me about Maryam Rajavi ?
James
Is this an exam? Do I get a diploma at the end of it?
James, have you been snorting Beechams Powders again?
[Mod/Jon: abusive, deleted]
Why would two different satellites have the same abbreviation, EV 1?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Vision_1_%28Commercial_Satellite_Imagery%29
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/exactview-1.htm
@ kathy
He’s like Magnus Magnusson on steroids tonight 🙂
Jon
Do I have to put up with the idiot, James’s insults? Is this acceptable?
I Jon must be on a tea break or I don´t think i would have gotten my “think outside the box” post through.
and that was particulary intended for Misspuddleduck, James and Peter. What do you think? Are we in agreement, co´s it no more outlandish that your current theories.
@Jon…
@Kathy.
Do I have to put up with the idiot, James’s insults? Is this acceptable?
Bar me for christ sake !
But first read the public debate above.
It was mossad, crys Kathy.
Can you explain I say
Do I get a diploma…retorts Kathy !
Ahggghhh !
Yeh Roland it was a drill !
Fact… Sa’ad liked drills.
La Virgin de la Pena ! Now ! Please !
James
Is this you getting your own back for me providing links to an article yesterday proving you totally wrong? I never got an apology from you for that.
Anyway, I have better things to do than argue with aggressive idiots.
Here’s a good summary of what the EV1 satellite is capable of doing, in conjunction with its partner satellites:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/003227.html
The goal is 90-minute continual coverage of ships’ locations around the world; info for sale to paying customers.
@James
Now we´re getting somewhere.
What make of drill do you think the lone Loon used?
What size drill bit,and would it have been hammer action with masonry?
It was wrong. Why say “sorry” ? Most of what you “repeat” is wrong.
@Ginger Nuts
Mr Al Hilli was involved in the false flag chemical weapons ‘opereation’ in Syria, which will be used by NATO to justify removing Syrian air defences in order that Israel may over-fly and attack Iran. He was helping to modify predator drones to disperse chemical weapons and was also spying for the Russians.
The West is actively trying to remove Russian and Chinese satellite reconnaissance for fear of being presented with evidence of their crime at the UN. Anyone can do the research and join the dots. – Ginger Nuts – 29 Sep, 2012 – 5:03 pm
Ginger Nuts, if you’re there, could you elaborate? Give me some pointers? Happy to do the research just need a starting point… Thanks!
@ missypuddleduck
“There must be a wealth of information that we the public don’t know ”
Why not look at it the other way round – there is a wealth of information which might very well be all disinformation.
What is the source of the evidence? Security services at a scene closed to local police, their “revelations” conveyed to a local prosecutor at base camp (and his story kept changing)
Brett Martin whom many people here see as a story teller. Nothing connects him with Annecy except the pulled website, possibly set up specially.
Philippe D who may be a construct.
“Witnesses” who may or may not have been leaned on.
Three fuzzy aerial photos from the same moments, ascribed to various photographers/agencies.
That’s about it.