The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
It says “comments will be closed on October 21,2012” at the bottom.
Is there any plan to continue elsewhere?
It’s just occurred to me what could have led BM to my page…….. I emailed the Italian we were discussing yesterday, PM , from his Linkedin page…..it was just a sympathy line you understand, I did just ask how long he had known Saad though. 😉
No reply……..as yet !
@Pink – the closing date on threads here moves as people post. So it would close on the 21st if no-one posts after today, but since you’re all still bravely going, carry on 🙂
Kenneth, I am a bird. I am no Jew and no Muslim – and as a bird – I define myself as being agnostic. Birds are seeing quite a lot from the top when flying over human beings. However, birds do not differ between Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Agnostics, …. and birds don’t see a defference between white, black, yellow, or red human beings. It is regardless how they are and to whom they feel to belong or to believe as humans. Birds are just watching human beings and their behaviour and birds are very attentive about what humans are saying and doing. And birds are putting humans into some categories based on other more important qualities or quantities:
The clever and the stupid
The good and the bad
The helpful and the ignorant
The poor and the rich
… just to name a few. That’s the categories as how birds look at humans.
@jon
– the closing date on threads here moves as people post. So it would close on the 21st if no-one posts after today, but since you’re all still bravely going, carry on
+++++
Thank you very much. Much appreciated.
@mochyn
That theory was just evaluated from the timeline and the people involved. There are more likely theories discussed so far, however, it is one of the likely ones. I don’t know where to put Sylvain in this scene regarding conspiracy theory #587.
However, we don’t know very much about him. Obviously everything was deleted from the web when he was killed. There are hardly any traces regarding Sylvain. It was much easier to trace WBM and contacts as well as Pietro and the victims. Sylvain is still a riddle and what we have found out about him so far is literally ZERO. No friends? No online activities?
Of course we have to accept the matter of fact that whenever intelligence services are involved, they might be more cleaver than us. Putting false flags and false websites on the internet are their job. For us this is just a hobby.
In this story we have already got false interviews regarding people who are hiding their job behind fake companies. I guess that we could be pretty sure about that. Perhaps we’ve got false names, too. Time will tell us.
Theory # 587 is exciting because there are many things in the timeline that are looking logic, particularly the involvement of MI6 who was involved in covering up the Olof Palme assassination as well. We have got an Iraqi ambassador in Sweden who was Shia and who came from Al Hilla and we have a letter box company in Sussex. We have a weaponry deal for billions and we have bribery. We have an apparently killed billionaire woman in London (oh yes, this was an unfortunate cocaine suicide, we know, we know, we know). She died in July 2012, shortly after she reported to Sweden that she found emails on her husbands computer that would solve the riddle regarding the Palme assassination and which would lead to the whereabouts of the documents and the gun. And a few weeks later we have Swedish-Iraqi grandma who has deep links to the Swedish Iraqi diplomat group, being killed in the forest of nirvana, a few hours after they did deposit cash money of unknown origin into a Geneve bank account.
That is giving theory #587 some basics. Though this is not the most likely theory but certainly one we shouldn’t forget to remember.
@ katie
Better watch your back!
@ P_
Don’t think I will be joining Linkedin any time soon. The less details about me online, the better.
M.
For me, this alone puts them in the frame :
“The LaRouche movement is reported to have had close ties to the Ba’ath Party of Iraq”
@Bluebird
17 Oct, 2012 – 4:28 pm
But we do know that Sylvain Mollier and Roger Mollier maybe his late father were original subscribers to Solidarité et Progrès 73 committee in Ugine.
OMFG .. as was BRUN Frédérique
http://solidariteprogres73.elunet.fr/
VENDREDI 7 MARS 2008, 12:00
Comité de soutien
Pour résister à la politique antisociale du Gouvernement,
Pour conserver, rénover ou créer des services publics accessibles à tous,
Pour une ville dynamique et solidaire au profit de tous,
Pour qu’Ugine reste une “Ville à la Montagne”,
Pour que les tous les Uginois deviennent pleinement acteurs du destin de leur ville, dans une intercommunalité partagée,
J’apporte mon soutien à la liste présentée par Solidarité & Progrès aux élections municipales d’Ugine et conduite par Louis Bertrand.
M AMIOUR Cyrille
M AMPRIMO Sylvain
M AMPRIMO Robert
M ARTALLE Henri
Mme/M ARTALLE Lucienne
M AVOCAT Roger
Mme/M AVOCAT Marie
BARGE Georgette
BARGE Raymond
M BERTRAND René
M BETTANIN Serge
M BIANCO Benjamin
M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Guy
M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Fernand
Mme/M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Gisèle
Mme/M BONDI Brigitte
M BONDI Henri
M BOTTERI Christian
Mme/M BOULAY Chantal
BRUN Frédérique
M BRUN Alain
Mme/M BRUN Thérèse
M BUFFA JOSEPH
M BUFFARD Lucien
M CERUTTI Roger
M COLAVITTO A
Mme/M COR DELORME Bernadette
Mme/M COURALET Nicole
M COURAUD Christophe
M CROISONNIER Bernard
M Cervellin Jean Paul
Chabanis Geneviève
Mme/M DAVIGNON Geneviève
M DE ALMEIDA ALVES Albino
DEGLISE Guy
Mme/M DEGLISE Odette
M DEVILLE Emmanuel
M DEVILLE Patrice
M DOLPHEN Bernard
Mme/M DOLPHEN Monique
M DOUSSOT Guy
M DOUSSOT Guy
M DUMAS Frédéric
M FABBRI B.
M FABBRI Richard
M FAVERO J-L
M FERREOL G.
Mme/M GASTALDON Mireille
M GENGENBACHER Patrick
Mme/M GHENO Arlette
M GREFFIER Yves
M GUERASSIMOFF Marc
Mme/M HAUSER Gladisse
M HAUSER Jean-michel
Mme. KABOUB Hélène
M LAPPRAND pierre
LAUNAY daniele
LAUNAY jean
LE DUC Thierry
Mme. LE MENESTREL Anne
M LE POTTIER Richard
M LECONTE Pierre
M LEDU Armand
M LODOLO cédric
M Loubié Georges
Mme/M Loubié Josiane
M MERMIER André
M MEUNIER Yves
Mme/M MEUNIER Franca
M MOLLIER Roger
M MOLLIER Sylvain
MOLLIER LOISON Didier
Mme/M MONGELLAZ Anne-Marie
M MONGELLAZ Guy
M MOROT Denis
M Molliex-Donjon Florian
Mme/M NEBINGER Annie
M NOVEL Charles
Mme/M NOVEL Marie
M ORSET Jean
M OUVRIER BUFFET Patrick
M OUVRIER-BONNAZ Lucien
PADEL Thomas
M PADEL Marc
M PAHIN Jean-Luc
M PALACIN Fabien
Mme/M PASQUALOTTO ELISE
M PECHERAND Ulysse
M PEDURANT René
Mme/M PELLIZER DANILA
M POLLET André
M RACT Laurent
Mme/M REY Jeannine
M REY Fernand
Mme/M REY Nicole
M RIONDY Edouard
M ROHI Gérard
M ROHI Daniel
M ROL Georges
Mme/M ROUX Claudine
M RUBINO Patrice
M SANTOS Fernand
Mme/M SANTOS Lucienne
M SERVE Gérard
Mme/M SERVE Danièle
M SIBUET Robert
Mme/M TARDITI Laurence
Mme/M TARTARAT Marie
M TROLONG-BAILLY Jean-Max
M VIARD Guy
M WEISS Arnaud
M WEISS Julien
Mme/M WEISS Françoise
Acid test.
Insert “Philippe Didierjean” Septembre 2012 into search engine
Then insert same name with September 2012.
Compare.
add Chevaline. Do you get my drift?
I asked Ms Willsher where the name Didierjean came from. Answer there came none.
@mochyn
Frederique, but not Frederic. I had made the same error some days ago.
However, the Molliers are there.
I am searching a link between EAP and the Rausing family, though. Would be helpful if you could find one. Already back in 2011 the Rausing family was brought into discussion with the Plame assassination on Swedish discussion boards.
What we would need for this theory:
Link between Rausing and EAP
Link between Rausing and Mr. Unspeakable from Iraq/London
Link between Al Saffar/ Al Allaf families and the Iraqi ambassador in Sweden (who came from Al Hilla and who was a Shia). Where is this guy nowadays, by the way?
Link between the same ambassador and “Mr. Unspeakable 25%”.
Links between Palme and Rausing (political enemies?)
@NR
Yes, questions indeed for Claygate primary school!
@Bluebird
17 Oct, 2012 – 5:13 pm
‘Frederique, but not Frederic. I had made the same error some days ago.’
Ah, but did you?
@ Jon
” the closing date on threads here moves as people post. So it would close on the 21st if no-one posts after today, but since you’re all still bravely going, carry on :)”
Ah that’s good Jon thanks for letting me know 🙂
@Ferret
Mr Harrington
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/915265513
{https://www.duedil.com/company/07907292/the-lead-centre-ltd/people}
@Strawberry: That’s a mighty interesting list of companies. What also struck me as odd was the former Total Oil SA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_S.A.) exec murdered in the Dordogne, by a man who claimed to have no memory of the event. Perhaps the lack of recall is correct.
I uncovered some links yesterday to another company based in Ugine, so I started looking at your list for any overlaps.
Did SAH have a meeting in the Dordogne before heading on to Geneva/Chevaline? Why the property in that particular location?
Bluebird,
No coincidence, the Ah’s have been connected with Al Hilla since:
“Jamal ad-Din Hasan ibn Yusuf ibn ‘Ali ibn Muthahhar al-Hilli (Arabic: جمال الدين الحسن بن يوسف الحلي), also known as al-Allamah al-Hilli (Arabic: العلامة الحلي, “the sage from Hilla”),[1] born December 15, 1250 CE (19 Ramadan 648 AH), died December 18, 1325, was a Twelver Shia theologian and mujtahid. Known as a Marja’ (Grand Ayatollah), he was one of the greatest Muslim jurists and scholars of his time.” Wiki.
Remember these families are generally intertwined for generations they could even be related, cousin marriage & all.
Your theory is much in line with mine but more elaborate, yes your thoughts on AH knowing something is the same. I feel he knows how/what Mr unspeakable [ Mr X ] took from the military budget, AH knows too much about those days via his Father, [ X was handling huge sums well documented theory ] before he fled to the UK, or AH knows of some dirt he could spill about him which would truly wreck a carefully crafted image in the UK & globally.
Was AH set up in some way to do this job you suggest, for our Mr X in return for a large fee which would also buy his silence ?
Could it be a meeting was set up with Mollier as the French Mi6 overseer like BM being Mi5 for the Brits ?
It would figure for Cezus to have a spy within the company for obvious reasons, he was conveniently deployed.
BUT, Mr X who is in *intelligence,his contacts are in intelligence, with fingers in every pie [would find a hitman in France easily ] does the dirty on them both a classic double cross.
BM, arrived late for the meeting so was lucky not to be shot !
What the police have to do is trace where the money emanated from……… my guess it will be laundered from Lichtenstein ……….
* Having been charged with & escaping sentencing for possible assassination, murder,corruption & bribery in four countries, he has to have these connections, it would appear he is Mr Teflon personified & above the law.
Yes Q, the former Elf Aquitaine, a company embroiled in much sleeze.
Jacques Chirac:
“Considered Hussein as a friend and sold him nuclear technology in the 1970’s. He also agreed to train 600 Iraqi nuclear technicians and scientists. “Jacques Iraq” is the only Western leader to have personally met with the Iraqi president.”
Add our Mr X to that.
Katie
Al hilli means “from the town of hilli”
There are of course many who could or could not be relatives. However, being together in a foreign country as a minority and having the same roote makes it likely to get closer than at home.
Mr X:
” Attempts by a French investigating magistrate to have X arrested during corruption inquiries had been blocked by Britain since July 2001.”
Could this be why the murders took place in France.
Man, that Mr Teflon is a slippery piece of work. I’ve never seen so few results show up on Google for someone like that ever…or so many removed entries either.
Teflon’s obviously VERY well protected. It makes me wonder how he ever came to be convicted for ANYthing – I wonder who he peed off at the time.
With guys like this I always wonder who is really behind their companies, because in many cases someone (or some people) usually is…Tom Barrack (Colony Capital) , Prince Alwaleed – both multi billionaire front men. My hunch is that Teflon falls into the same category.
Yes that’s true BB, expats tend to hang together.
Look at the Dordogne there’s thousands of Brits clustered there.
Staw44berry at 11;08am on 17.10.12:
Wrt CIA employees, I think it depends what they do. If they are working undercover, obviously they don’t advertise their true employer. But if they just work for the CIA at Langley, say, most will simply state that – it’s not like in the UK, where, until the early 1990s, we weren’t supposed to know the SIS (MI6) even existed. Hush-hush, say no more! Same with the FBI. They openly recruit at US universities, for example.
I once had a student in the USA casually say to me, “Oh, I’,m very sorry, I have to rush, after this, I’m seeing a man from the FBI about a job.” And there indeed was ‘the man from the FBI’, in his neat suit, tie and slip-on shoes, waiting patiently on a chair in the corridor. He wasn;t wearing a hat, but as faras I could make out, he didn;t have horns. I had another person, a friend of a friend whom I’d met only that evening, say to me, “My dad worked for the CIA.” Can one imagine saying the same things about the SS (MI5), GCHQ or the SIS (MI6), even now that they too (sometimes) advertise for recruits? The Official Secrets Act and more than that, the endemic psychological culture of secrecy, militates against it. It’s maybe relaxed a little in recent years – we now know the colour of the carepts in Whitehall… don’t we? – but it’s very deeply ingrained, one senses.
BB’s attempt to tie this all up with the assassination of Sweden’s statsminister Olof Palme is most convenient, but hardly surprising.
Unfortunately, it is just too convenient, connecting “Baghdad Bob”. Eva Rausing, and Iran-Contra is just what the Anglo-American spooks and my critics have been attempting for ever so long.
“Baghad Bob” was a most clever ambassador to Stockholm, and it is hardly surprising that he would claim that the Iranians were again getting weapons from Bofors – what would make their delegation which attended Stockholm just three weeks before the assassaintion, and complained about the stoppage just a bunch of liars.
It might well have made Palme being afraid of being assassinated by either them or the Iraqis.
Then Eva Rausing was just passing along what she had heard about YGGDRASIL, epecially its leader and their friend Erik Penser, the businessmen’s group plotting in a Wiltshire country house the statsminister’s assassination if he proved to be a Soviet stooge when he met the new Soviet leaderr, Mikhail Gorbachev, in Moscow in April 1986.
It was because of such meetings, as Jan Bondeson indicated in Blood on the Snow: The Killing of Olof Palme, that either Penser himself or her husband Hans had a nervous breakdown down after the assassination occurred in Stockholm on the night of February 28, 1986. (Note #13, p. 222)
And, for course, despite Bondeson’s ridiculous claim that the CIA et al. had no motive for killing Palme or leading suspect assassin Viktor Gunnarsson (p. 171), the Agency had been gunning for Palme ever since he stopped the arms shipment of 80 HAWK missiles that Ollie North had tried to unsuccessfully sneak through Palme’s Sweden on November 17, 1985.
Have no worry about this thread being shut down as long as I hear about Palme’s plight being connected to it.
Dopey, he has Arab royals,UK Royals & Obama, not to mention all the Cercle members in his pocket.
What disgusts me is the British covering his backside.
@Ferret: Indeed, re 10:58 a.m.
@Thomas: As you know, the topic of directed energy weapons has come up previously in this thread. Some don’t consider it a possibility, but like it or not: (http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-DEW-HEL-Analysis.html)
Given Saad al-Hilli’s connections to the satellite industry, the laser link uncovered on these threads, and in particular the type of satellite that is being sent into terrestrial gamma flashes for research purposes, I consider that there is ongoing research into directing lasers into TGFs, which emit anti-matter. A TGF lightning weapon that in the wrong hands could bring nations to their knees.
It’s not science fiction. It’s science now.
Saad al-Hilli is said to have worked on designing a kitchen for the Airbus A380. I wonder if the one he designed had a rather unusual microwave.
Talking about Sweden:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-embassy-in-stockholm-evacuated-over-possible-incident.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32618&NewsCatID=359
Why would Saad al-Hilli have a Taser in his home? (http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/6950)