The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Kenneth
Did you see the Trip advisor reports on the Europa campsite? A bit mixed! Perhaps that’s why Saad & co checked out early…(ROAFL)
Thank’s Kempe for the link at 12.13am for the Mirror story about the attempted carjackings and on that page is also a slideshow and the red and white tent that is shown at the caravan is where I saw the red mountain bike that MR AH arrived at the campsite with, it was in the window of that tent, in the video I was watching the cameraman zoomed in on it that’s how I know it was still at the campsite.
Off to work now catch up later.
Re the Nicolas Mockford shooting:
No press coverage outside Holland/Belgium
Why not name the Italian Restaurant?
Google map is interesting:-
by searching for ‘italian restaurant near Beizegemstraat, Brussel, België’ there arent any!!
I know restaurants may not choose to have their restaurants shown as such on Google maps but I assume that the type of people we are talking about the restaurant isnt going to be trying to save a few Euros heare and there.
No photographs again!! Are we just supposed to believe these reports as they are fed to us?
@Straw
the restaurant is here:
http://www.deltaweb.be/restaurant-Da-Marcello+3046+f
Was the UK ambassador to Belgium called out, along with the deputy ambassador?? [cf Al-Hillis]
There is no 192.com trace – so suspect the victim has lived abroad. Born Leicester 1953.
Why no news/obituary re Mr Mockford’s death on ExxonMobil (well I can’t find any) perhaps he isnt important enough he is only the CEO after all!!
Kenneth
Unless your mobile phone wasnt technically (hardware!) manipulated without your knowledge then it cant be tracked if you take the battery and any other power supply out. Without power supply your mobile phone is nothing else than your shoes in terms of a tracking device.
Turning it off with the battery still inside and charged could be critical if your software was manipulated. There is software available that pretends that your phone is off but in fact it is still sending signals or even sms to a predefined recipient.
You can install that software quite easily. Even i could install that software on any given phone without holding that phone in my own hands. Open bluetooth connection or wlan connection is sufficient. If i am the provider (police) then i could install that software much more easy than that.
Phones can pretend being off but arent. Without a battery, however, phones dont do anything at all because there is no power unless the hardware was manipulated.
You can check whether your phone is on or off. Take a microphone and connect it to a tuner and a an audio box. Leave the phone next to the microphone. If you hear nothing for a while then it is off. If you hear some noise from time to time then it is on.
@Straw
More Mockford reporting here
http://www.skynet.be/actu-sports/actu/belgique/article/920682/car-jacking-neder-over-heembeek-victime-ete-tuee-trois-balles
Occurred Sunday evening 10pm – Now it’s Friday. Seemed like the authorities wanted to keep this under wraps from the off.
Regarding mockford/exxon
Not really important, just to look at him
http://www.channelsailing.be/en/55
WTF???
Tim V – I calculated that Brett M cycled at an average speed of 20 mph during his Steyning Triathlon in 2006
@ straw44berry 18 Oct, 2012 – 5:18 pm
“Just 1 CCTV photo of them onroute with their security sitting in the front passenger seat. I still am surprised why Zeena would be behind the drivers seat. When I drive there is always more space behind the front passenger seat.”
This is the first I have heard of a CCTV photo, and “security” sitting in the front passenger seat – shotgun position – though it did not do any good.
If Zeena was behind the driver’s seat, it might be mom or grandma needed the extra leg room behind the passenger seat. She was found hidden behind the passenger seat. I posted this on MZT a while back.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9527148/France-shooting-There-was-noise-I-was-scared-said-girl-who-hid-from-killers.html
“She was totally immobile, hidden in the vehicle behind the front passenger seat underneath the legs of one of the dead women, under her skirts and a large pile of travel bags, totally invisible and mute,”
One way that works is if the girl, the women and the travel bags were thrown about when the reversing BMW hit the embankment. The other way is if the women, seeing danger before the shooting starts, hide the girl and pile bags on top of her.
http://www.stuweb.co.uk/race/1o/233.html
What does that mean, ‘security in the front’ it sounds like security ‘man’ in the front ?
Ferret
No earhquake report in geo science. There mas a similar accident in boston but tgere was an earthquake report in geo science
Haarp?
I was thinking more in terms of the “comet” a few weeks back, the one some of us thought was more likely to be a satellite breaking up on re-entry…
If “comet” is the cover story again, well…
But… blowing open the doors of a police station??? That’s one heck of a sonic boom… is it possible?
Ferret,
Do you remember the last meteor and the co-ordinates someone posted (cant remeber who0) between rural N.Ireland and Tehran suggesting a missile overflying London that Iran was showing what it could do if it had a warhead on board?
If you plot Tehran and Newton Abbot say this time and draw a line it overflies………………………..
PARIS !!!
Probably reports from Newton Abbot / Dartmoor / SE Cornwall suggest:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_burst
AFAIR it was Ricky that was into the Comet/Meterite thing… where’s he gone, by the way?
And yes, thanks Strawb, an airburst could well account for it. Must’ve been a mighty big meteorite (if so it was) to cause such a bang, wouldn’t it?
That’d make it two very big ones in the space of a couple of weeks… what are the chances of that, statistically speaking?
If we get a third one we’ll *really* have to start wondering…
Thanks for the answer Bluebird I only saw it now. It must have been premoderated. Wonder how many posts one miss in this way.
But what about fitting a small phone [You know how small they are, and its reasonable to assume that they would continue to get smaller each year, if it wasn’t for the fact that they would be impossible to operate] to someones car or bicycle? You haven’t answered this. We are talking of a really bssic phone — one that couldn’t even phone] that does nothing more than sending out signals to the base stations about were it is. This would require no more power than a small lithium battery the kind that sits in remotes for the telly. Have you heard of this, and do you have any photos about how these devices look?
Straw, we had a boom here about two weeks ago, the house shook & it was far louder than anything Concorde made.
@ kenneth
19 Oct, 2012 – 10:19 am
You wouldn’t need a phone (as in an actual handset) to do that. You would just need the SIM card/GPS tracking device and they can be made very tiny.
Katie, I have been unable to find reports on ‘your booms’ however on gestimating where you are the only large city on the route from Tehran is Milan. (I think you need to check to see if I am close)
Looking here unexplained noises are currently far more common than I thought:-
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/category/strange-unexplained-noises/
I havent seen that website before but have witnessed one of the unexplained booms in San Diego county and strange other loud noise out in the Ocean at Dana Pt, Orange County.
Unconnected to noises but I was also there when the massive power outage just before 9/11 last year and doubt the official line of what caused that.
[http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Massive-Power-Outage-Hits-San-Diego-OC-129498468.html]
Katie,
I thought I would check the booms from Jawhar, India and there is only 1 large city between Tehran & Jawhar even though they are about 3000 miles apart.
The line passes directly thru Karachi, Pakistan!!
Do anyone have photos of such device? Is it not any bigger than a Sim card? This means that it could easily have been stuck on Saad’s car at some point, and on whichever bike they needed to follow.
@Tim V re timings of cycle ride: distances covered, altitude and gradient: taken from measurements on google earth but assumptions about speed were mine; of leisure cycling rather than triathlon / tour de france. If the speeds were twice that assumed MB would arrive at Combed’Ire in 18 mins, 12 mins to climb the hill from Chevaline! Re news conference on 6th Sept: words used / reported are in form of minute by minute semi transcript. Re Phillipe …… : He tells the reporter he made the (‘chronodated’) call at 15.48 although maybe BM was with him at the time? The initial story is contradicted by the pictures at Arnaud at 3.15. Implication being BM could not have arrived after the BMW, unless he went higher up and descended to the ‘slaughter’. Perhaps they are UK timestamped but, if real, was their existence revealed to put presuure on / embarrass the UK authorities?
To clarify earlier note: here is further detail of the MarNIS report edited by Saad Al-Hilliin 2006
Web address: MarNIS broadband platform solutions and specifications D2.2.C_Part_5
Project Title: Maritime Navigation Information Services
Project co-funded by the European Commission within the Sixth Framework Programme (2002-2006)
Research report on broadband applications: Part 5- MarNIS broadband platform solutions and specifications Start date of project: 4 -11-2004 Duration: 48 Months
Organisation name of lead contractor for this deliverable: Telespazio S.p.A. – Italy
Dissemination Level ‘PP’ Restricted to other programme participants (including the Commission Services)
48 pages
Document History
Version Comments Date Authorised by
0.1 First draft 06/04/2006 Gabriele Mocci
0.2 Upgraded draft #1 03/05/2006 Gabriele Mocci
0.3 Upgraded draft #2 23/05/2006 Gabriele Mocci
0.4 Added availability sections (para 5.1.4 and ANNEX) after WPL/HAL-6 13/06/ Gabriele Mocci
1.0 Quality Control 10-08-2006 Sáad Al-Hilli
just found that:
http://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-genevoise/saad-alhilli-rendezvous-banquier-genevois/story/28632040
BTW: seems lot’s of people in your country would be happy to have MSM in the Savile-story instead of – may be far more serious- other stories??
Lets be clear what we talk about. There are GPS devices, like these two found attached under a Californian man’s SUV last year. And they have shrunk in recent years, but they are still quite big.
And then there is the ones I talk about which just sends signals to base stations about were it is.
And as well as wanting photos of this Sim card sized technology, I would also like some pics of what microphones and video cameras with inbuilt transmission look like. Considering how small microphones and cameras are on a modern phone, such a device could be very small indeed. Surely, Bluebird , you wouldn’t be able to detect these with the method you suggested, Bluebird.
@ Kenneth Sorenson
Just google “GSM bug”. A stripped-down mobile phone without display and keypad, which is all that they really are, is about the size of a matchbox. The GPS circuitry is about the size of a coin, and dispensing with it therefore does not make the device significantly smaller.
The trouble is the power supply. Unless you wire the tracking device to the car battery (in which case you can track the target for years), you face a trade-off between battery size and operational lifespan.